*Note that I am a high school student and a female so some of the points I may bring up may be due to a lack of life experience*

This is a sub I've been interested in dissecting for a long while now and after visiting and coming back a few days later, I am quite happy I did. A lot of the insight brought up in this sub is very well thought out and very solid, some of which I was well aware of and others I never considered. The last time I had an experience like this is when I came past the female equivalent and seeing the effects it has on our society.

However, just like that sub, I have my fair share of questions so you may see me post again a few times in the next week or so. My first question is why there is such a stigma towards feminine traits?

As I've read men (at least those in this community) have complained about women defining what masculinity is and having toxic messages spread to young boys as well. This is not to say that it does not happen, because it most certainly does and it is quite sad to hear men who have had negative experiences with that. What DOESN'T make sense to me is at the same time it seems the vast majority of men in this subreddit seem to stick their nose up at feminine traits. Examples of these traits would be gentleness, humility, and subjects that rely on emotional intelligence.

In the description of this subject, it says this subreddit is ' for men going their own way, forging their own identities and paths to self-defined success.' However, considering some men have more feminine traits or different ideals than others, the messages these men may hear may not be self-defined success to them, that would be success defined by the community that they joined. I've even read some men give tips about how to be a 'alpha male' which is a concept I hate to my core because it further pressures men to act, dress, and convey themselves in a way that at heart they are not.

I have also spotted a lot of political narratives being spread as well. This in itself would not be an issue if MGTOW was a community to spread a certain political agenda kind of how feminism is generally shared with democratic ideologies. But this is contradictory to this community's original mission statement. If everyone in this sub is pushing for the same thing, I do not think this would be supporting other men's PERSONAL identities and their OWN defined version of success.

This is a similar complaint I have towards some feminist-esqe communities as well. Even though "feminine" is in the word 'feminism' it seems practicing traditionally things or having traditionally feminine traits is looked down upon (which is a question I'll bring to them as well) and here it seems to be no different.

I would like to ask why this is the case. I am open to discussion.