Why so much bitterness?

kukul · 2013-04-11T23:41:06+00:00

The objective of the red pill is to achieve a status that allows you to genuinely enjoy women's company without insecurity, bitterness and resentment, cherish a side of them that betas don't get to see and truly love them if you so desire.

Alpha is a girl's best friend, it's a relationship that's playful and honest, not agressive and abusive. Personally I'm looking forward to being on the women's team as opposed to the repulsive beta who needs to be kept at bay and in the dark. If I didn't love girls, I'd spare myself the trouble and just wank staring at the wall.

GaiusScaevolus · 2013-04-12T01:49:39+00:00

Feminist =/= Feminine

At All. Ever.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2013-04-11T23:48:12+00:00

We violate norms and are rewarded for it.

RedSunBlue · 2013-04-12T00:38:29+00:00

From what I read here, there is a lot of anger from those who have freshly unplugged themselves, no doubt about that. But I hardly sense any bitterness from the mainstay bloggers of the red pill/manosphere.

The truth itself is bitter, the people here spreading that truth are, on the whole, not. To call them bloggers of the red pill bitter is to say that they resent or are hostile towards women. They are not. Many express the desire to find a nice feminine woman in a world of masculinized womyn.

What many of the critics of red pill thought are doing is conflating feminism with women.

I am inclined to believe that those who label TRP and the manosphere as bitter are feminists and are doing so to be dismissive of the truths that are being espoused.

"Women want to be led by a strong man. Treat them as if they are teenagers. Don't fucking listen to them when they give you advice on relationships and how to treat women."

"Oh, that's just you being bitter."

EarnestMalware · 2013-04-12T00:13:13+00:00

I fucking hate feminists and will light their stupid little haircuts on fire, but I love feminine women. Ya dig?

RedSeddit · 2013-04-11T23:57:39+00:00

Finding out the truth is difficult after we have been lied to most of our lives. We also have new people here everyday who are obviously gonna be bitter. The negative language is used, for the most part, to remind ourselves of the truth. No need to sugar coat it.

5F42DE47BC · 2013-04-12T04:40:02+00:00

I'm going to be honest here.

I really am bitter and resentful towards women. All I want is to love and be loved in return. I get called a creep and treated with total contempt instead. They lie through their fucking teeth about what they are and what they want and I'm tired of it.

Yes, I know the term is AFC.

2013-04-12T01:54:00+00:00

Personally I enjoy TRP because in my experience it was the only explanation for my experiences that made any sense, as depressing as it was at first.

It's about being more aware of the challenges you face as a man and being better equipped and have access to information that helps me make better choices for me.

I'm not in it to be a pick up artist, for me it just made sense and made me understand I have to take care of myself first and that I'm not an asshole for expecting an honest relationship, or an ass for leaving someone who doesn't treat me well.

Edit: I forgot to say my "beta-ish" point. Don't work to get laid, or to "gain" anything. TRP for myself, is about being the "hero," the "loner," the "outcast." Not these terms in and of themselves, but because I believe that to pave a new path of ideas and education is the ultimate virtuous pursuit of man (woman or man). I do believe in EQUALITY for the sexes, but to me that means COMMUNICATION and HONESTY, rather than deception and game. Be a good man, educate yourself and lift others up who need your help. We are all in this together, an open and honest discussion is a part of that, which is why I enjoy TRP. Be kind, be loving, be principled, there aren't many men like this in the world.

2013-04-12T01:27:57+00:00

From what I've seen, red pill men love women but hate feminism and the resulting princess mindset of modern women. It's a "bitter pill to swallow," but it seems like red pill men and women are happier in the long run.

be_tru · 2013-04-11T23:44:51+00:00

Don't we all want our ladies to be intelligent, caring and good towards us?

You just answered your own question. The bitterness you see is usually a result of guys new to these ideas coming to the realization that expecting all of these, or dare i say, any of these attributes from todays women is simply unrealistic.

Aren't these forums/blogs turning out to be exact opposite of 'excessive feminism' where people hate anything women do just because they are women.

I disagree with this. Any 'hate' I see is usually grounded in reality, although I think the word hate is thrown around too much, even in my "bitterness" stage I never hated women. I don't really see anyone here going around saying they hate women. Acknowledging Women are different from men isn't hating Women, and I think people who deny that women should act like women are the biggest haters of femininity of them all.

AbraxianAeon · 2013-04-12T01:46:19+00:00

The bitterness is from a society-wide lack of female accountability and overvaluation of women.

betaprime · 2013-04-12T05:43:54+00:00

How could I not be bitter?

If this had been common knowledge when I was a wee lad, so much pain and suffering could have been avoided.

2013-04-12T03:23:57+00:00

The bitterness is directed towards feminism's desecration of the decent woman. You don't see any bitter being spit at the hot, feminine ladies we attract.

Don't we all want our ladies to be intelligent, caring and good towards us?

That's exactly why the main bloggers are trying so diligently to spread the truth. No matter how fucking bad it hurts the uggos, fatties, beta's and white knights.

ss_camaro · 2013-04-12T07:09:49+00:00

I've seen this movie before. It's called "Return of the Concern Troll, Undead."

2013-04-12T02:02:59+00:00

When I first found this subreddit, I would say I was damn bitter. Wrote some posts and got good feedback from the crew. Now that's disappeared, replaced with a sense of learning, as well as being confused, very confused, with conflicting narratives being told during the day compared to what I read at night on this site.

I used to think I was angry at all society/women/everyone, but I'm realizing my world experience is very limited, and travelling and experiencing women who haven't been experiencing this American culture would provide a better understanding. So before I make any more snap judgements, going to South America, Asia, and eastern europe.

_Molon_Labe_ · 2013-04-12T02:39:00+00:00

It may come across as bitterness when you objectively look at reality, but it's just called being realistic. Idealistic views don't get anywhere. Being realistic about the world and the way things are allow you to accept them, and to remove unnecessary pain and suffering from your life because you are trying to change things that you cannot change.

It just looks bitter, but we're not. We've accepted reality, and are making changes for the better.

Title	Why so much bitterness?
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Date	April 11, 2013 11:24 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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