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/u/tpiecer I'm calling you out.

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May 3, 2013
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You came here, made ridiculous demands and then drew fallacious conclusions on them, foisting a false dichotomy of "if you don't immediately bring an answer that satisfies me, you must be wrong." and committing fallacies such as using those ever so terrible anecdotes to confirm your own biases..:

I've heard that logic before , it happens when any group becomes an echo chamber and is a result of confirmation bias.

You, of all people, should know that the concept of a circle jerk is unfalsifiable and ill defined, and therefore can only be levied as an indefensible insult against an opponent. And you based this insult.. on your personal experience on other subreddits?

If you're convinced we're wrong, the onus is on you to bring forward your complaint. You came here, we didn't come to you.

Let's make this simple. Red Pill Theory is large and has many tenets which would be difficult to debate all at once.

For the sake of debate, let's limit the scope so that an actual debate can take place. Bring forward your most damning piece of evidence, your huge complaint that you find makes us so wrong.

I challenge you to.

No Gish Galloping.

EDIT Users, please do not interrupt debate. Make a new thread if you want to discuss.


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Title /u/tpiecer I'm calling you out.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 25
Comments 21
Date 03 May 2013 01:45 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/4195
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1dm9ir/utpiecer_im_calling_you_out/
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[–][deleted] 15 points15 points | Copy

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

We've been banning more of these suckers than I can count lately. I left last night just before he showed and he got more in that most do before they get banned, so I decided to make an example out of him.

They're clever, because they hide under the guise of plausible deniability.

This guy is still messaging me going "but but I'm only here to learn, why are you against discussion?? "

As if I'll somehow get tricked into letting him back in.

Yesterday was the same- somebody came with a long drawn out piece trying to deny the red pill and interspersed was little things like.."which proves you hate women."

When I deleted it, they claimed that they were making an honest effort towards debate. I was like.. you must think I'm really stupid.

[–]Stankmonger 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Damn, now I'm worried to ask questions. Sure this sub has some things I disagree with, but I find everything wonderfully interesting.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions or disagreeing. The only thing that will get you banned is starting your post, "See, that's why you hate women!"

This guy had an axe to grind, he was setting up complex questions that couldn't be answered and then using the lack of answer as "proof" of his right-ness. He didn't have any real questions, he was here to troll.

[–]Stankmonger -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fair enough, that's reassuring to hear. I've found that some people aren't all that willing to help out with info though, some will just get angry and call you beta...

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Depends on how troll-ish the question sounds. People are wary of trolls, and often won't give much time to someone who sounds like one. That said, a majority of questions asked really are addressed in the sidebar. Check out the required reading, and if you have questions about that, make a post.

[–]Stankmonger 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've done the required readings, mostly I've just been confused about the special lingo used here. I've checked out the side bar explanations, but there are so many more terms than explained there

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points | Copy

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's disingenuous. He came to us with the impossible task, and I called him on it.

I've happily debated a number of times with people who wanted to make points, not with people who had an axe to grind.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He showed up, hijacked another thread, and trolled for about 30 posts, as people tried to explain to him what they thought the red pill was, and he continuously took everybody's explanation as "not good enough" and proof that he was right in his assumptions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So if I ask a question that you can't answer sufficiently and call you out on it, I'm a troll?

Man, you guys are sounding dumber and dumber every day.

[–]str8muscle 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guys, the account is a troll with no other history then a few posts in TRP.

Relax, and why waste your time with such a fruitless endeavour. There are actual dudes all over Reddit who are legit open minded to TRP but havent found it. Spend your time engaging them.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed, and I called him out as a troll, and banned him as a troll. I made this post specifically as an example for future reference. I wanted this to be public. Carry on.

[–]tpiecer 28 points29 points  (15 children) | Copy

You're going to need to state what you believe and why before we can have any form of discussion. I don't know what you believe so asking me to make an argument against it doesn't make any sense.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 32 points33 points  (13 children) | Copy

You're going to need to state what you believe and why before we can have any form of discussion. I don't know what you believe so asking me to make an argument against it doesn't make any sense.

If you don't know what we believe, then it shows your bias for having disagreed before learning it.

[–]tpiecer 18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy

What have I disagreed with before learning it exactly?

I've read your sidebar material and I've talked to other people in the forum but that doesn't tell me what you specifically believe nor does it really tell me what 'theredpill' is because the material is just a mixture of different topics and random anecdotes.

Why can't you just answer what you believe and why?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy

What have I disagreed with before learning it exactly?

You might have a good time playing stupid with others, but do not mistake me as a fool. You came here and challenged our community to both define and defend their views, and then acknowledged a confirmation of your expectation when nobody satisfied your inquiry. It's a contrary position regardless of your personal feelings. For the purpose of argument, you take the adversarial stance. One somebody without a personal bias, and with a genuine intrigue, would not have arrived with, which betrays your passively aggressive innocent tone. So drop it.

I've read your sidebar material and I've talked to other people in the forum but that doesn't tell me what you specifically believe nor does it really tell me what 'theredpill' is because the material is just a mixture of different topics and random anecdotes.

I'm sorry you were unable to comprehend the materials further.

Why can't you just answer what you believe and why?

Complex Question Fallacy

[–]tpiecer 20 points21 points  (8 children) | Copy

So because I disagree with the confusing mixture of things that you've thrown at me as a group I'm biased towards it?

I'm sorry you were unable to comprehend the materials further.

I'm sorry the material was incomprehensible too.

Complex Question Fallacy

If you define me simply asking what you believe and why as the 'complex question fallacy' then it's clear you don't really want a discussion at all as what I asked simply doesn't meet the criteria to be considered fallacious.

I'd ask the same about anything to anybody, it's about as neutral, unbiased and unloaded a question as I could make it.

But if you have an issue with my question then what exactly should I be asking?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

So because I disagree with the confusing mixture of things that you've thrown at me as a group I'm biased towards it?

Your reaction to disagree before understanding, not afterwards, is bias.

I'm sorry the material was incomprehensible too.

Most people here make a thread with a specific question when they come up against something they don't understand or think might be wrong.

If you define me simply asking what you believe and why as the 'complex question fallacy' then it's clear you don't really want a discussion at all as what I asked simply doesn't meet the criteria to be considered fallacious.

Ah, but that's not what you asked. You asked me "why I can't" assuming that I can't and that now I should defend why it is. It's a complex question fallacy because all answers would endorse your faulty assumption- that it can't be explained. Which is why I didn't answer it. Because that's playing your troll game. Which is what you are: a troll.

I'd ask the same about anything to anybody, it's about as neutral, unbiased and unloaded a question as I could make it.

I don't care if you'd ask the pope. It's still a fallacious question.

But if you have an issue with my question then what exactly should I be asking?

Well first of all, if you had any integrity, you'd be asked specific questions when you came across something you didn't understand instead of launching an attack against my sub by hijacking an entire thread.

Secondly you should start by addressing my challenge- the start of this debate: "Bring forward your most damning piece of evidence, your huge complaint that you find makes us so wrong."

You have done little, you are a troll with zero substance. You've come here to argue and detract from our conversation by spewing little else than your personal judgement on those that fail your tests, but make no mistake YOUR TESTS ARE FALLACIOUS AND DESIGNED TO BE FAILED.

I called you out, and outsmarted you. I'm sorry for your loss.

Pointed complex questions and their answers prove nothing, and your self righteous responses show me that you are not here to learn, not here to understand, you are here to troll.

This has been an exercise in showing just why we ban people like you. Understand that we do entertain real debate and questions here. We love to think and rethink all of our ideas. But what you've done is troll. You are a disgrace to public discourse, you are a disgrace to intelligence.

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