On the surface we come across as Incels because our focus on women and relationships can give that impression, but we aren’t upset that we are Involuntarily Celibate or can’t have a girlfriend, rather we don’t want relationships we are nonbelivers in the concept of romance with women and we use rational thinking to debunk the worlds biggest lie that is women can value men for any reason besides his resources.

I have read a couple of Incel forums and didn’t really get a MGTOW vibe from it, if anything discovering MGTOW brings back the vibe of when I discovered atheism and the reality behind religions and their bullshit fairy tales, a lot of people here respect religion because they have cautionary tales about women and all that but let’s be real just because a fictional story is good doesn’t make it any less fiction, I equally hate religion and romance because they are both made up shit that tries to make us work towards a greater good that doesn’t exist, once you die you’re permanently finished and women don’t love any of us and it makes me so pissed off that we were lied to for so long.