Hi, I've been observing this movement for a while and while I'm being MGTOW right now I have a lot of objections to the way the current MGTOW movement is constructed. From my Point of View MGTOW consists of the following dilemmas and assumptions:

  1. Hypergamy
  2. Rigging of Laws against Men
  3. Frustrations with Dating
  4. Shittests and Status Display culture
  5. Balance of casual sex
  6. Trying to make a statement

Many men seem to be rather frustrated with point 1. and 4. and while these points might seem extremely conspiratory against men I find that these problems have actually been solved already or a subject to a rather schizophrenic character of males and their nature.

Marriage was actually a construct that worked in that regard.

Taking 1. and 4. you will find that men tend to try to outperform their competition when it about leaving an impression on the lady... Rather than seeking a way to take a women alone and leave the dating game not in sight of others they try to hit on girls where they can and don't try to establish a classy way for their banter.

Hypergamy on the otherhand is only possible because men tend to date downwards, where it's quite obvious that they basically spoil women for the betas... Aziz for example dated a bartender instead of investing his time to bang high quality women...

Now point 4. is created by a culture that basically has no demand or value for character and superficial stuff tend to boost people who already have high status, because the rest will be torn down by superficial ways to regard people in general... Basically paving the way for a women to decide more easily who might be the alpha and who might be the beta.

The rigging of the law against men is actually quite problematic, but I'm surprised how men are generally pro divorce and casual sex. Now in many cases divorces are necessary, but women tend to be better caretaker for their children and men's attitude towards creating offspring is generally rather lax. Men seem to value 'banging hoes' more than considering a partnership to be a safe and high class environment for rising kids.

  1. is a little absurd from my point of view, because you can boost your chances with women by joining ingroups and improving your status within that groups. Depending on your strengths you will always find a group where you are a rather dominant individual.. You don't need to be the ultra mega alpha, just isolite the woman from that group before she can determine (a) who might be the alpha ( a - which in most cases actually is not possible). You need to interact with the woman a little longer and might let some women pass till you find one where you can excert your dominance properly... Which is another irony itself, because a woman will always chose a guy who will help her more in the things that mean the most to her and when she's used to you she will most likely not exchange a man that helps her in a profound area in her life for someone who might not be reliable at all.. So again, I find this(hypergamy, alpha assumption) to be completely missjudged how women actually are... 4 also plays into shittests, because once she knows you and knows what you are all about, she must be pretty dump to keep testing you, after she had time to realize that you are the real and reliable deal for her...

  2. is a little bit stupid... Because we can't have everything in life... For example we will never be able to enter a black whole or live in a golden home no matter how amazing it may seem. This doesn't mean life is bad... You just need to adjust and create an equilibrium for you... This might mean that you have to enter a long term relationship with a woman where both promise each other loyalty (marriage for example). Now this point would work even against hypergamy if men wouldn't crave for casual sex and wouldn't bang downwards the hierarchy... Women will have a better cards for casual sex, but there is always is certain balance in everything. You have the tools if you assert stuff the right way.

  3. is actually the most absurd point... Most MGTOWs are simply waiting for the clouds to pass till they abandon the movement and actually start date downwards and enter fluctuating relationships.. Which again will kill the balance...

Many MGTOWs come from the PUA scene and simply disagree with how women can assert their dominance in the dating game in their 20s.

Many men are dissatisfied with women because they chose differently than men in the casual sex scene yet don't realize that they come from a game where they used to have a balance.

So I find this approach completely absurd and men are actually giving away their strengths in the dating game by being greedy for casual sex and exploiting wholes and shortcuts.

From my point of view MGTOW is a complete integrity disaster...

So from my point of view you would rather have to encourage men to date in their league and if dating downwards (because there is always a downwards) to chose a long term relationship and stay away from casual sex. Men seem not to want to admit that they were in the game for procreation that there are still traditional women in other countries. And can't admit they probably can't have the Victoria's Secret model and don't commit to more modest women. Men should possibly influence their culture to value a wider range of qualities in women and men instead of greeding around.

Many of these problem seem to have an answer if you see partnership as a means to grow good offspring and this kind of highlights the massive lack of integrity of the modern men.

Curious to know your perspective on this.