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[–]down_with_whomever 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hate is useful, but not for the person experiencing it. It's useful for someone else who sees that you have an emotional fixation and that they can use it to manipulate you. You're right that for us as individuals it's useless to hate, but more than that, it's a vulnerability. Any emotional fixation that strong is an invitation to be controlled.
[–]Niko_Choski 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely spot on comment. It is more than a waste of energy it's a fixation. You can be easily manipulated by anyone as a result of it.
[–]throwitafterthis 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Evolution is ruthlessly efficient so if hate did not have a place it would not exist. The same applies to jealously, sadness, and any of the other so called 'bad' emotions that you feel. Hate provided a competitive advantage. Furthermore I believe that hate is the same as love. They are 2 ends of the same line and it is the contrast between them that makes them meaningful. So, if you cannot truly hate, then you cannot truly love. Joy is powerful only in contrast to sorrow. A wide range of emotions are what makes one passionate.
[–]DforDeadpool 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hate is the dual of the love. By following this thread, BP indoctrination cripples people's ability to hate in many forms (fat acceptance, overly enthusiastic propoganda of racial mixing, promoting LGBT) so as a byproduct people's ability to love is also hindered.
In a Biblical viewpoint, God tells people to hate the sins and evil, and love Him and good things. Not imposing morality but it's an interesting connection.
[+]Niko_Choski -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hate is not an emotion that can exist in today's society. Certainly anger is useful, but hate is anger and disgust on overdrive. That distinction between the negative emotions as you have put them is something I argued for in the past.
I also said that if you are to prevent emotions over ruling you, and such an emotion is hate, you need to understand them. Hate and I mean true hate, not the kind that u use to describe towards your dislike of pizza, is a pathological state of thinking. It becomes obsessive.
[–]anon33249038 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hate does have an evolutionary place. It was originally meant to maintain safety, health, and community (such as "soldier's hate;" i.e. American soldiers hated nazis without ever having known one, but they were a threat, so they hated them). Basically hate was a way to keep yourself from being harmed or invaded. That's why if you are harmed severely by someone intentionally, the natural response is to hate them and to resent them.
I understand your argument, but I think you need to be more specific. If I'm hearing you right, I would say that you're more against the ignorant hatred of people (i.e. racism, sexism, bigotry, et al.). Which I totally back you on. That has no place in society. But learned hate does have a place. If you were to say that you hate ISIS or Osama bin Laden or David Duke, I doubt there's a single person that would hold that against you, so hate in and of itself does have a place, but bigotry more specifically does not.
[–]connor1003 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Glad to see that the true GayLubeOil persona is more magnanimous than initially projected.
[–]therellikofthenight 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hating another man isn't the way to go but everybody doesn't play by the same rules. Some people do it and win because they have a following of people who will eat it up. There's definitely a place for it.
[–]3Yakatonker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
These preconceptions are befitting a child. We harm others all the time, we murder each other all the time. You think anyone in the west cares if their military slaughters others for control of an economic region, often a thing done for our own economic beneficence. This macro example cannot be without it existing and being exercised continuously by the micro economic individual.
Hate is not bad, good or existent on any two scale paradigm. Hate is one of the strongest emotions we can experience and one can argue with good reason. We feel hate when we do not receive value for that which we give, socially, economically because we prioritize our survival first and foremost, those who do not return it are dead, useless and obstructions. The average ignorant does not understand this subconscious order in the human animal, but acts readily upon it. Here the anger is the realization of a man who's wasted countless hours trying to get a women to give vagina, when in fact the women themselves utilized this need without ever reciprocating anything of value to said man. The anger is the realization two fold, that the man himself is weak and preyed upon by those who're strong in inherent value, the inherency of value because one sex controls and willfully rations the reproductive aspect of the species for their own benefit, and that their interactions with women are not the retarded idioms of men and women being ying and yang, but the two sexes in competition and warfare for supremacy in the reproductive economy.
With regards to women they've earned all the hate and then some in the Manopshere. Not only in this the present era but throughout our history men have hated women. Its a rich tradition which has lived in infamy until the present liberal economic era. What does the Iliad teach a man about women? What does Pandora and the Odyssey teach us? Women are liars, manipulative and will always lead men to their destruction. They do not care regardless one way or the other of the end result of their actions because most of them are incapable of such projection. The collapse of empires, the desolation and continuation of a corrupt race of beings, women will only perpetuate the cancer of corruption and aggregation forward, they're incapable of otherwise.
We cannot also just blame them for the hate alone because they're not the ones who build, administrate the very system we live in. Men are slaves to vagina, and all the delusions forth right that accompany it. Men are even enslaved to serve the gynocrocy via that which gives us our polarization and strength, testosterone. Most men are to weak to fight their desire or even augment the reproductive economy within. Even MGTOWs who're at the end of the red pill have a great difficulty in finding alternative outlets because the technology to bypass women all together simply doesn't exist yet.
Conclusion: Let the hate flow through you, use it to bypass your animalistic feelings and to advance your goals.
[–]logicalthinker1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There absolutely is a place for hate. It's when hate starts to control you that's the issue.
Hate brings out so much energy and testosterone. Remember the last time you were really fucking angry? Yeah you felt energy running through your veins. You felt amped, like you wanted to fight someone and beat the shit out of them. That's a very manly feeling. Embrace it, but don't let it control you.
[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know about this one Niko, hatred, like every emotion common to humans, serves its purpose.
The meat of the essay I think could be summarized as, don't let emotions rule you, the more extreme the emotion the more wary you should be as your giving into externally based frame.
Fun read though, huuuuuuge paragraphs.
[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We should do another chat but more structured
[–]pdpbigbang 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate weakness. Therefore, I was able to become stronger. Your argument is invalid.
[–]aanarchist -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
that's the thing i've come to realize about the red pill. since we're all competing against each other to be in the top 20%, we're ultimately enemies. it comes down to men killing each other over some pussy, that's what it always comes down to.
[–]Niko_Choski 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Shouldn't we rise above that? Shouldn't we transcend that pursuit into self fulfilment? People use alpha traits all the time here. One of which is to have the ability to help your fellow man to rise as well. It doesn't cost you anything to do that.
[–]unclejimbo1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I would say that it costs time, which is a valuable, finite resource.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then think of it selfishly: Teaching others is one of the best ways to ingrain knowledge into ones own mind. Time spent is not a loss, but an investment.
[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes we should rise above that, but most men aren't that enlightened and don't look that far ahead. They dont care about the collective ascension of civilization, their next hit of dopamine is more important.
It's hard not to hate the ignorant, it's really fucking hard.
[–]Niko_Choski 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not if you think that you were once as ignorant as they were.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Enemies can sometimes be the best thing for you. The movie "Rush" portrays this well.
But I don't see fellow RPers as enemies, just like I don't see my friends as enemies. We share info and help each other get laid. If we happened to have the same job, know I'd crush you at it, but thats just because that's who I am. And I'd be grateful to have an adversary that could push me to my limits.
[–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then some men get together and create more pussy than they can fuck.
We are competing because it is how the world elites have built our world. Competing gives energy to the machine of the elite.
We can be good sheep and fight over a woman or create a new society where women cannot vote or accuse you of rape.
[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the decline would have to go all the way down to the dark ages and back up again for that to happen, and i'm willing to bet that the majority of men who procreated were the ignorant super alphas and the clueless betas, with most red pill men choosing to go childless by the sounds of it. the exact same society would be created again unless the red pill is somehow preserved. i'm sure that there was a trp back in ancient greece, there couldn't have been, but like now, it wasn't common knowledge.
the new society i see personally, is one where men replace women with those sexbots of the future i keep hearing about. combine that with the birth control gel for males and we have men fully in control of the smp. take it one step further with artificial wombs and we have a glorious and peaceful world, and the exploration of outer space can begin.
[–]drummmmergeorge -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In the field of psychology hate is refers to a stressor, but those birches be n cute.
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