MGTOW is harmful

Jos_Metadi · 2017-07-09T02:37:25+00:00

Runaway slaves are harmful to a culture built on slave labor too. I think it's both intellectually disingenuous and moral vacuous to blame the escapees instead of those who built the system and the parasites who feed on it.

I grew up in church too, and have watched too many girls I initially thought might be different turn into single moms in church on sunday because they slept around the rest of the week, or stop coming altogether because were dating and living with non-christian guys. Then are the large number of women on their second marriages who completely ignored/denied what the bible says about not divorcing. And these are the women who were involved in mission work and evangelism, not just the christmas/easter attenders.

Feminism is rife in american churches, it just disguises itself a little more.

I agree that the father-mother-kids family unit WAS the bedrock of western civilization. I just recognize that it has already been destroyed by our culture through celebrating promiscuity and divorce, and by our legal system's stripping men of all their rights as fathers and husbands.

project_mayhem_ · 2017-07-09T02:54:42+00:00

What are you guys trying to accomplish exactly?

nothing

Where is MGTOW taking society?

nowhere

To me, MGTOW is a bitchy "have it your way then" to feminists. MGTOW is a boy's response. It's a tantrum. Sort of like, 'Oh, you don't need us do you? Well goodbye then!'

spend five minutes with your favorite search engine and tell me what a man gains from marrying a woman. then we'll talk about how retarded you are.

The family unit of a Mother, Father, and children is the bedrock of Western Civilisation.

yup

Feminism is bad because it ~~seeks to~~ destroy[ed] the family unit

ftfy

But so does MGTOW. MGTOW despises the family as much as the radical feminists.

nope, dumbass

If the West has any hope of surviving the next century or two, we MUST return to the family unit.

not my problem. start fixing my problems and then we'll talk about how much of a retard you are.

Don't tell me there aren't any good women left.

"good women" should be as upset as I initially was that they have been stripped of their agency, protected from the natural and logical consequences of their own choices by a paternalistic government superstructure, regardless of how evil their behavior. "good women" should be marching in the streets, demanding the right to divest themselves of their "reproductive rights" in favor of marriage and family. there are no such women. you are an idiot.

I grew up in a church and I'm convinced that all the best women are in churches.

you are an idiot. all of the worst women are in churches. Christianity in the west has be supplanted by a vagina worshipping death cult which we in the 'sphere refer to as "Churchianity". if you can't see it, maybe try actually reading the Bible.

But from my experience, a lot of young single Christian women have their eyes firmly focused on marriage. One man for life. They don't go to clubs. They don't do drugs. They don't fuck around. They save themselves for marriage and dedicate themselves to Motherhood. Most Christian women will also submit to their husbands in the biblical sense. They acknowledge that the man is the head of the house and they respect his authority over them.

well if you say so, I guess good for them. not my problem.

MGTOW is the equal and opposite of feminism.

cite one statute enacted by any legislature on the face of the earth, that was authored or lobbied for by MGTOW, you brainless fuck.

Both will lead to the ruin of society.

MGTOW will lead to the rebuilding of society on a sustainable basis, rather than the gynocentric horseshit you're defending.

Try and find a woman who will raise a strong family with you. Women like this still exist.

hint: she has the right to renege on your mutually agreed purpose of raising a family, because she voted herself that right, just in case.

I'm open to the possibility that i'm wrong

~~smartest thing~~ only smart thing you've said.

Rhodesius · 2017-07-09T02:23:28+00:00

I don't disagree but I just personally don't want to do anything about it. I don't want to work my ass off to get one of these supposed 'good' women only to get cheated on and divorced later down the line. Plus, she might not be a whore but once you get married the sex stops, she gets fat and bossy and nags you to death. Just seems like there's no way to win with women.

Reinehc · 2017-07-09T02:51:21+00:00

I tried countless time, i never did enough for my wife, she was faithful but she was hitting me when she get angry, order me around like I was a slave bitch, I tried as hard as i can to have a family, i put up with abuse countless time, until a breaking point, i start to freak out too, everybody have a breaking point. So i was going drinking in the bar to forgot the pain i had being treated like this by the most important person in my life.

Show me a women who respect me, love me for who i am and i will start a family. I could not find this, all women i have been with were abusive and/or cheating.

With feminism bullshit these day, a women who cheat and abuse her man is freedom and empowering. This whole world is messed up.

PillowCastLongShadow · 2017-07-09T02:39:03+00:00

I have attended many churches in different states including the Bible Belt. This is what I've noticed.

I've know Christian women that:

Beat their husband,

Falsely accuse a bf of sexual harassment.

Falsely accuse an acquaintance of harassment.

Falsely accuse husband of rape,

Falsely accuse husband of battery,

Falsely accuse man of child endangerment,

? X false accusations that some creep was stalking them,

Falsely accuse acquaintance of child molestation,

Publicly shame their newly wed husband,

3 x leave their husband because of boredom,

3x Admit to gang bangs,

One talked constantly of looking for monster cock to stretch her,

6 x that it was common knowledge they rode the CC,

7 x Soliciting sexual favors from me within a minute of talking,

The others took a bit longer before they asked,

Every one would talk trash about their friends if given enough time.

I was there to either witness the false accusation or the girl admitted to me or police that it was a lie in every case listed.

That is why I left the church. The gender war on men is not a joke. Fuck off kindly.

Slaide · 2017-07-09T02:53:35+00:00

Another loser hiding behind a new account. Red flag of dishonesty right there.

You're neither interested in our perspective or our opinions. You're dishonest like all other "I AM VARY OPEN-MINDED ABOUT YOUR OPINIONZ!11!"

No... you're not. You're another coward hiding on a troll account from either a feminist or pussy blue pill board. Spare us the false empathy.

ikhwan_arif · 2017-07-09T03:06:53+00:00

Lord have mercy, is this guy for real? Does he not know what is happening to men in the real world?

Hey, if you want a family, go ahead. If you have a Jesus Complex and want to ~~sacrifice~~ crucify yourself, then be my guest.

Leave us out of it; we know better.

Think of us as old school priest who have, though not exactly but more or less, taken vows of chastity, obedience and poverty towards ourselves.

iwanttheblanketback · 2017-07-09T06:19:33+00:00

MGTOW is a reaction to a destructive politically motivated ideology. Women changed the rules of the game in their favor so much that it is more enjoyable and relaxing to be on our own. They should have realized that men can change the rules they play by as well.

Want to save society? Make marriage difficult to enter into and pre-marital counseling mandatory, thorough, and lengthy. Make divorce at fault only, difficult to obtain, and pre-divorce counseling mandatory, thorough, and lengthy. Eliminate alimony except for disabled spouses and have a short time frame on that. Reduce child support and make it a requirement to keep detailed records of what the money is spent on for the children. Make joint custody the default legal arrangement. Enforce visitation rights. Make divorce and adultery socially unacceptable again. Mandatory paternity testing. Women who become pregnant after raping minors must have no financial or legal claims allowed against their victim.

hollybegin · 2017-07-09T04:48:27+00:00

I grew up in a church and I'm convinced that all the best women are in churches.

Conversation's over.

CyclopsLumberjack · 2017-07-09T02:12:51+00:00

MGTOW is not anti-family. MGTOW is anti-divorcerape. MGTOW does not despise the wholesome vision of matrimony, MGTOW despises the institution of marriage in the form of a legal contract. It does not spite women. It exposes woman's true nature by highlighting the biased system women abuse in their quest to spite men.

Gracefully bowing out of a losing proposition is the most intelligent and honorable move. It teaches our future generations of men to stand up and have some self-respect. The true essence of what it means to "man up." To continue enabling and propagating that which primarily fuels the deterioration of the West, is not rebuilding the West.

Concerning your theory in support of NAWALT, I would suggest you pursue an honest investigation into the divorce rate among Christian marriages, and kindly get back to us. Regards.

Solstus22 · 2017-07-09T05:10:39+00:00

We're taking action through inaction, if that makes sense. We've seen the efforts of the MRM/MRAs go to vain and MGTOW has decided to side step the issue. That's not to say its an act of cowardice, but in a society where it is VERY EASY for a guy's life to be ruined over an false allegation of rape or domestic violence, its safer to err on the leaving people alone. We don't engage certain people, they lose the power to take advantage of us.

We only despise modern families today in a sense because:

feminism has a big influence on it (resulted in single mothers, biased divorce courts). Traditionalism is not necessarily better because its gynocentric as much as feminism is.
Double standards in relationships, I don't have a problem with having responsibilities and preferences, but there should be lines drawn on how unreasonable/one-sided one can be.
Double standards in society; as mentioned earlier, its easy for a woman to cry 'wolf' and they'll be believed easier because they're considered the 'weaker' sex. And when a woman commits a crime, they're not given the equal sentence they would to a man.

While I admire your optimism, I'm afraid returning to a family unit isn't possible. An idea such as Feminism and MGTOW cannot be killed or forgotten. Feminism had irreversibly shown men the extent of how women can be, albeit for not in many good ways and most cannot unsee that.

I don't doubt there are women like that who exist, but MGTOW is not going to waste their entire lifetime looking for 'the one.' If their one was there, they should not have 'advertised themselves like that and expect men to pick up their mistakes'. Doesn't work like that.

I grew up in a Church too, but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't immune to acting like a lot of women these days. I have sisters who aren't feminists but they have ridiculously high standards. They don't go clubbing but they're a little hard to impress.

Civilization has always fallen and risen. It's a natural cycle, its not something you can stop. I wish I could, but unfortunately the dating world (whether religious or otherwise is NOT so friendly towards someone like me)

Hernes777 · 2017-07-09T02:53:18+00:00

Sort of like, 'Oh, you don't need us do you? Well goodbye then!'

Yep.

801735 · 2017-07-09T02:41:47+00:00

Y so fresh? d even r;

Pope_Lucious · 2017-07-09T04:31:05+00:00

MGTOW recognizes the family has already been destroyed. Nobody cares about men's issues, so we choose ourselves rather than be slaves to a society which despises us.

Imagine playing a basketball game against an inferior opponent. In order to "equal things out" between you and your inferior opponent, rules are instituted which prevents you from ever playing defense against your opponent and you must shoot all your shots facing away from the basket. You lose every game, and you are mocked for losing. When you explain the unfairness of these new rules, you are told these rules are to account for your inherent unfair privilege and you should simply rise above the rules and "man up". You can't win.

This is the modern gynocentric society. There is no pathway to fix things. There is no feedback mechanism in place to create actual awareness of men's issues. The ingrained paradigm on the biological level is that men complaining = unacceptable. MGTOW is the only option.

xeeleesequence · 2017-07-09T05:29:26+00:00

You want me to marry some girl who's most likely screwing someone in the church anyway??? No thanks. These girls have been convinced that they can have one night flings with chads and then turn around and get "good girl" treatment because they "claim" they're christian. Nope. We aren't buying it. We've seen this time and time again. The reality is, most of us were consider not good enough for even the modern christian woman. Who still wants a 6' thug while ignoring the rest of us. I'm glad things are turning out like this. Women got exactly what they wanted. Now we get to avoid courts and keep our shit.

Dberp · 2017-07-09T06:19:11+00:00

It's unfortunate what will happen to society, but MGTOW is more of a symptom than a cause. There can be no "good women" because despite any intentions or potential, society does not support that. Women are raised from girls on social media, turning them into self absorbed, entitled, holier-than-thou sex objects. The laws of society support tearing families apart with biased laws that rape men financially. If there's a way to reverse that or vote against it I would. But at this point It's like pissing on a forest fire. All a guy can do these days is stay out of that fire.

thewatisit · 2017-07-09T06:33:23+00:00

MGTOW forces men and women further apart.

Forces? How? We just see that being close to women is dangerous and so distance ourselves.

MGTOW, if it succeeds, will destroy society. A civilisation where men and women are separated cannot stand

Society was out to screw us over anyway. So if it dies we are just switching one form of screwing over for another. It's just a matter of if you prefer lawful oppression or anarchy.

What are you guys trying to accomplish exactly?

Pointing out the dangers of associating with women.

To me, MGTOW is a bitchy "have it your way then" to feminists. MGTOW is a boy's response. It's a tantrum. Sort of like, 'Oh, you don't need us do you? Well goodbye then!'

I suppose. And the problem with that is?

I grew up in a church and I'm convinced that all the best women are in churches.

Please excuse me for doubting your reasoning skills.

Try and find a woman who will raise a strong family with you. Women like this still exist.

Do you play the lottery?

You claim the women in your church are an exception. Good for you. But unless I know where this church it and/or have somebody actually observe the women all I have is your word, which I am disinclined to believe.

mercwithamagicsword · 2017-07-09T18:08:14+00:00

MGTOW, if it succeeds, will destroy society. A civilisation where men and women are separated cannot stand.

Good. The court system loves to destroy men. It tried to destroy me, and anything that comes for me gains no sympathy from me. In the immortal words of Captain Macolm Reynolds "If someone tries to kill you, you kill them right back." I'm going to roast marshmallows in the fires of Rome.

SaintHolland · 2017-07-09T23:54:37+00:00

Your church eyes do not see that the majority of women are heathens now. Adam made an honorable choice in accepted death so that Eve would not die alone. But MGTOW is the realization that it is not worth it because Eve(Women) do not respect men, they only use them for personal gain.

The 'good' girls in church are running a different version of the same game. They basically are selling their virginity to the highest value male they can find. You can even find supposed virgins on OkCupid in their 30s still holding out for better. Women act as if men are not worthy of them, when in reality it is more apparent that it is the exact opposite. Without male sex drive they serve no purpose.

sjishan · 2017-07-09T03:49:22+00:00

MGTOW is just not in the West many men in the east are following it. It's the natural response how men are now unfairly treated. I was born in a south asian country. I know many of my friends following MGTOW. In India MGTOW is also getting popular.

Xlasingx · 2017-07-09T03:13:21+00:00

is this another feminist wasting their time..? snapshill didn't capture this one, so i'm unable to see the post..

it's like feminists have a store, you pass by it and almost enter, though leave..

weeks later, you're in a different country, enjoying the culture and a female approaches you, asking, why you didn't enter their store.. because i was bored, changed my mind, wasn't interested, needed to go.. whatever..

the feminist them notes, you need to.

no.. no i don't.

jupiter6666 · 2017-07-09T03:41:18+00:00

The family unit is dead because traditional gender roles are dead. Get a grip! MGTOW is just a reaction of self-preservation and fulfillment. We don't want to be slaves.

falselyaccusedguy234 · 2017-07-09T05:39:46+00:00

Feminism, MGTOW and the breakdown of notional traditional values isn't something that needs to be reversed, but rather passed through on the way to something better.

Civilized behavior is a jerry-rigged set of brutally-enforced principles developed by evolution to make a wandering hunter-gatherer collective organism into a sedentary and agricultural one that existed in much higher population densities than before.

The history of civilizational progress has been the slow alteration and refinement of these original culturally evolved civilized behaviors through a more conscious process of generational political discourse (and warfare and terrorism and all that other good stuff).

All you are seeing is one of the final stages of people learning to see through the lies that they have been told. The problem is that when you take away the underlying structural lies, you are faced with the harsh reality that they were developed and propagated to conceal.

MGTOW is saying that the current jury-rigged lies are so transparent and harmful, that we are refusing to partake in them. Once everyone is ready to sit down at the the table and act like rational adults in a secular Western democracy, then we can hammer out some new rules (lies) that best reflect the modern experience.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-07-09T05:59:29+00:00

No. Individual liberty is the bedrock of western civilization.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-07-09T06:23:33+00:00

You should probably be out encouraging women to be less cunty. Did you think of doing that? If not, why not?

DWShimoda · 2017-07-09T17:44:39+00:00

Your entire current society is built on the premise of a "pyramid" structure, an ever-increasing base population -- it's a "Ponzi scheme."
You cannot SAVE a "Ponzi scheme" by artificially (forcibly or persuasively) pushing for yet another increase in the base population -- greater/more "fools" to be bagholders -- at most you can/will (slightly) delay the inevitable.

You seem to partially understand the first (hence your irrational "fear" of "not enough kids) -- but you are in rank DENIAL of, OBLIVIOUS to, and entirely fail to comprehend the second (and lack any concern at all for how all of those kids will be FED {beyond some belief that "magical technology" will -- somehow -- come to the 'rescue' again... and again, and again... ad infinitum).

Also, you're entirely naive, clueless, and delusional about so called "Christian" women. Your "experience" is not only NOT solid data, it is based on a superficial, facile "pollyanna" belief -- you're accepting appearances (and a hugely biased personal perception) for actual awareness of the reality (which is NOTHING like what you claim it to be).

In short, you're simply and wholly wrong -- you're just not aware of it (i.e. ignorant) -- or you blindly dismiss everything that proves it so.

Titaniumbass · 2017-07-10T15:54:48+00:00

Look, go ahead and legally sign your nut-sack over to the state. You WILL NOT convince the Red Pill to go back to Blue. Your intentions are well meaning, but the juggernaut cannot be stopped. See you in 10-15 years, youngster.

CaliBound1 · 2017-07-10T01:31:28+00:00

Society is screwed regardless of whether or not we choose to create families. The only difference is that I don't have children to think about, so it's not my problem when society eventually implodes. Is it just MGTOW and feminism that will lead to societal ruin? What about gays and lesbians? Asexuals? Unfortunately, it's not an easy fix. To date a Christian woman means to compromise our values (a lot of us here are atheists). Besides, I once got cheated on by a "Christian" woman.

MGTOW is harmful

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In fact I would argue that most MGTOW are in fact the ONLY ones to maintain a true male gender role -- that of HEAD of HIS household.

Wrong. And emphatically NOT what I stated.

EDIT: And hey... you're a perfectly capable "studly man" amiright?

Seriously... what's stopping you?

Title	MGTOW is harmful
Author	SaintHolland
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Date	July 9, 2017 2:00 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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