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Keeping a woman immediately ranks you up the male dominance hierarchy. Put another way staying with a woman allows him to feel superior to single ‘loser’ men (and society agrees).
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 10:37 PM
45

Don’t worry Callie, the tax payer will ensure your son will receive the care he needs.
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 10:33 PM
4

I think you mean ‘sapient’ not ‘sentient’. Look up the concept of ‘philosophical zombies’. The best I can tell of humans, compared to say animals, is that as a trade off for increased intelligence we all know we’re going to die (mortality salience), and that evolution has gone out of its way to introduce all kinds of mental instability into us so we can simultaneously know about our impending death yet still live our lives and reproduce because we don’t believe it.
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 10:15 PM
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I don’t really take this as a genuine attempt to ‘convince’ anyone it’s just ineffectual rage that the people who are truly responsible, his parents generation, are invalid targets for his anger because that would conflict with his other traditionalist beliefs. In the past young women were controlled by the elder women in the community and fathers.
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 10:03 PM
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Honestly, it reads like two of us stirring the pot by masquerading as women ‘fearing’ MGTOW. I’m the sort of MGTOW that liked when MGTOW was not well known. I don’t benefit when the government or the media or ‘women’ start to notice MGTOW. These past decades have been some of the best there ever has been to live as a MGTOW: inexpensive household labour saving devices, no wars (conscription), no (direct) bachelor taxes, the Internet. And yet there’s guys out there lighting flairs and jumping arou…
/r/MGTOW19/08/18 09:42 PM
20

Must be straight but describes a homosexual?
/r/MGTOW16/08/18 07:02 AM
2

The most profitable tax is the one the proles cannot avoid.
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 06:05 PM
23

The old civilisations knew and warned their men.
/r/MGTOW04/08/18 11:04 AM
4

“When she kept pressing, her mother broke down, saying it would destroy the family and that her dad—the man she grew up with—would kill her. “ ‘I’ll deflect attention from my failings by not-so-subtly suggesting my partner is violent and that I fear he would murder me.’
/r/MGTOW30/07/18 09:24 PM
1

That’s what i recommend and do myself. Saying that, that is what women want— men who can’t or won’t serve their interests / pass their shit tests to remove themselves from society.
/r/MGTOW28/07/18 03:10 PM
1

My thoughts are: you now know about MGTOW philosophy and every action you now take (or don’t take) is done knowingly. You’ve never deserved more what’s coming to you.
/r/MGTOW26/07/18 06:49 PM
1

Reads like it was written by a man (not a woman).
/r/MGTOW25/07/18 06:33 AM
2

End game: me living a minimal unnecessary suffering life.
/r/MGTOW24/07/18 12:05 PM
1

Men don’t have ‘friends’. Women and children have ‘friends’. Men simply categorise other men as to whether they trust them to keep their word (or not).
/r/MGTOW22/07/18 09:28 PM
4

It’s a rare pleasure to see them eat each other. There should be a sub dedicated to these sort of examples exclusively.
/r/MGTOW22/07/18 09:41 AM
9

There’s no guarantee your child will like you.
/r/MGTOW21/07/18 09:57 AM
4

So, you’re not switching because you prescribe to MGTOW philosophy rather than identifying as an incel?
/r/MGTOW19/07/18 09:17 PM
3

Evolutionary drive to avoid being ostracised and expelled from the (relative) safety of the tribe.
/r/MGTOW18/07/18 06:00 PM
18

The more time you spend here the less excuse you have for doing this kind of simp shit.
/r/MGTOW15/07/18 06:13 PM
13

Learn how to do nothing in a day and yet not feel anxiety. Until you can do this you're not free.
/r/MGTOW15/07/18 06:10 PM
1

(PSA: you can be arrested for doing this in the UK.)
/r/MGTOW15/07/18 06:00 PM
3

Like from the outside everything seems so perfect. Somewhat an ambiguous statement? The marriages you've seen as an outsider or the general concept? I don't understand why the divorce rates are so high. The shared survival aspect of marriage no longer applies so all that is left is (a) social status, and (b) entertainment. If a marriage no longer increases a woman's status or entertains her or worse is a drain on those two she will leave. Similarly, women can trust the government to enforce via …
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:36 AM
3

They knew how to deal with women in the old days -- publicly shamed -- had their heads shaved and locked in stocks.
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:22 AM
1

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies. Being with a woman makes you vulnerable not strong.
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:18 AM
36

Football tournaments are sources of drama, and women feed on drama. Similarly football tournaments are competition for male attention and women love-hate all competition for male attention.
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:10 AM
17

No marriage, no cohabiting.
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:05 AM
4

I watched the 17:28 'clip' (so you dear 3rd party reader don't have to). Notes: Regurgitated meme theory (ish) Use of the word 'spirit' without defining the word. (Blue ink) (pro-social behaviour) 'Ego' defined as 'physically focussed' (negative connotations). (red ink) (anti-social behaviour) 'As Jesus would say...' Use of the word 'energy' in a undefined abstract sense. Use of term 'energy blanket'. '...the science of prayer...'. Reference to Einstein, Buddha and the muslim hadiths. '... as Gh…
/r/MGTOW14/07/18 10:00 AM
1

Go watch Fight Club, report back.
/r/MGTOW12/07/18 07:21 PM
15

Your 20s are all about unlearning (the hard way) all the cultural shit that women and the media have taught you since you were born. Do you have power and influence? No? Then your 20s will suck—no one gives a shit about you, your ideas, or your goals.
/r/MGTOW11/07/18 10:01 AM
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It is... ... however Reddit benefits from not being a ‘real identity’ social media, and doesn’t require your phone number / email address. People correctly identify social media poisonous but I rarely see it expanded upon as to specifically why.
/r/MGTOW08/07/18 04:08 PM
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I’m from the U.K. I suspect him describing it as his Christian belief makes it more controversial as he should have freedom to act on his religious born convictions. If you’re a agnostic/atheist, I get the impression, you have less of an / no excuse according to the media / government.
/r/MGTOW08/07/18 03:51 PM
3

No such thing as a free lunch...
/r/MGTOW06/07/18 06:00 PM
6

Whose to blame? A ‘generation of under achieving men’. /s If you think the the baby boomers have been vilified you haven’t seen anything yet — the baby boomers have money (and spend it) — wait and see how they refer to the generation that doesn’t spend, or marry sluts (or breed with them). We’re the fall generation born to take the blame.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 04:21 PM
1

I don’t meet people who respond well to common courtesy or even ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ — they see it as weakness, deference or attempted manipulation.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 11:21 AM
3

You must destroy what you cannot control.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:57 AM
2

A very rare amount of people are born with a developmental disorder where the genitals don't form correctly in the womb. If the guy (if he is a guy) has a Y chromosome that he's a guy who evolution/nature fucked over.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:52 AM
15

They don't want you back; they want you gone.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:45 AM
11

Voluntary to not get a useless degree, voluntary to not get a high paying job, voluntary not to find ham-planets attractive, voluntary not to find 35+ ex-cock carrossel women attractive, voluntary not to espouse SJW values... It's all 'voluntary'... /s
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:43 AM
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A huge threat? Don't fool yourself. The cat ladies will last, what? Another 50 years? Meanwhile we're selling shares in cat food companies and importing 3rd worlders with cultural values that lead to higher birth rates.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:38 AM
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The alphas betrayed the betas because women and immigrants make better consumers and wage slaves and, ultimately, conventional war is no longer a threat.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:36 AM
8

They'd legalise polygamy before they'd take women's rights away.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:35 AM
6

They can just import the third world now -- they're not worried at all about falling birth rates among native populations.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:33 AM
6

Why can't people distinguish the difference between guys that voluntarily go celibate. Because it doesn't benefit them to do so. Because the functional impact on society is no different.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:32 AM
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If they falsely equate incels with MGTOW they can avoid accepting truths they'd rather not. As I've said before 'incel' is the system's way of rationalising MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW03/07/18 10:30 AM
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This might be true but the majority reasons is white people’s skin (particularly women) is thinner than other races and hence more prone to wrinkles quicker.
/r/MGTOW01/07/18 09:53 AM
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‘... more often than not men are the architects of their own disposability...’ Great video, very MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 02:49 PM
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Consider how much it cost you to red pill yourself and then consider how much this simping cuckold has left to pay.
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 11:40 AM
2

TFM destroyed that Donovan guy.
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 11:33 AM
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Right about what? That MGTOW philosophy is wrong? Or that men who’ve yet to suffer at the hands of gynocentrism are less likely to notice its existence? Do you see the inherent misandry in your question? That anything an unattractive man holds true is beneath our notice by that fact alone. What kind of rationale is that?
/r/MGTOW23/06/18 09:20 PM
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You can’t really ‘join’ a philosophy more implement its precepts in your own life. MGTOW isn’t an identity or group. As for your questions: 1 you can reduce your suffering if you can rid yourself of the belief that you can somehow avoid feeling lonely. 2 the world is all about setting unachievable goals and profiting from your attempts to achieve them. At best you can look up the psychological concept of ‘flow’ that’s as close as you’re going to get.
/r/MGTOW22/06/18 04:50 PM
5

Can you offer safe alternatives to aluminium foil?
/r/MGTOW20/06/18 12:50 PM
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Try it for a week and find out.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 10:22 PM
2

Underrated comment. There are pills beyond those of MGTOW philosophy and one of them is all humans (to a lesser or greater extent) are like that... I agree fear of supernatural retribution must’ve had a powerful effect on humans brought up from birth to hold that belief.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 08:39 PM
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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/big-red
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 07:37 PM
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‘Self-improvement-MGTOW’ isn’t a community term. It’s a term I made-up as a shorthand reference for a group that doesn’t really have a community name. You could claim a defining characteristic of monk MGTOW is that they don’t have or pursue sex as opposed to the ‘non-monk-MGTOW’ however I noticed that there were a faction among the non-monk-MGTOW that were set apart from the other non-monks due to a vocal dedication to ‘self-improvement’ in the ‘lift weights and acquire currency’ style of the re…
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 04:28 PM
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Mainly monks and self improvement MGTOW, where they do differ, do so because each suspect each other of a conceit: that the monks are secretly incels and haven’t chosen their lifestyle by choice, and that the self improvement MGTOW in their turn are suspected of pursuing goals not for themselves as they claim but because the results of said goals are valued by women and wider society. I think some monks can be black pill but then you seem to have different definitions of MGTOW monks, black pill …
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 07:06 AM
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To be a MGTOW, strictly speaking, you just need to reject marriage and cohabitation in light of red pill truth. Beyond that there’s the hazy grey areas that not everyone agrees with such as the cold-war between the self-improvement-MGTOW and the monk-MGTOW. Your definitions/interpretations are more your own based on what you see in the community than they are representative of a universal philosophical precepts of MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 12:08 AM
1

I definitely think there are MGTOW that prescribe to that state of mind, and so if what you describe is how you define black pill then there is cross over with MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 09:45 PM
2

Assuming I know what the red pill is could you give detail on the nihilism part of ‘red-pilled nihilism’ as you define it?
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 09:12 PM
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The red pill rage exhibited by new members is viewed as part of the 5 stages of grief model: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. It is viewed as inevitable and natural but not something that lasts forever (for the individual). The thing is those MGTOW that reach the final stage often step back from the community giving the impression to outside world of a community full of perpetual anger and negativity. The community then is really just a transitionary aid for the individual w…
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 09:01 PM
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I think you’re conflating the people with the philosophies. There are pessimistic/realistic MGTOW. If the Black Pill was just nihlism it wouldn’t be based on red pill truth (as nihilists believe in nothing).
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 08:33 PM
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What's your rationale for MGTOW not intersecting with Black Pill?
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 07:47 PM
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Because males don't act collectively to punish female choices (but females do vice versa).
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 07:40 PM
7

A man once came to see the Buddha to get help with his problems. After the man had told the Buddha one of his problems and asked for help, the Buddha replied: “I cannot help you get rid of that problem.” The man was surprised that the Buddha could not help him in this regard, but he told the Buddha about another problem; he thought to himself that the Buddha should at least be able to help him with that problem. But the Buddha told him “I cannot help you with that problem either.” The man starte…
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 07:33 PM
9

‘No.’
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 05:14 PM
2

Incels are weak to criticism, MGTOW is not. To overcome this critics conflate being MGTOW with being an incel.
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 06:59 AM
1

Yes. In the same way a Chad that fucks a different super model every week but doesn’t get them pregnant is an evolutionary ‘loser’.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 08:34 PM
1

I sympathise with your comment but then as a tax payer I think ‘but I am the system’...
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 08:26 PM
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It’s that women do not fear pregnancy, child birth, or abandonment because of the birth control, modern medicine and government.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 05:09 PM
1

I don’t even think they do it directly because they think it’ll up their chances of fucking the thot. it’s like they’ve been rewarded in real life for giving thots attention and by receiving that reward-recognition it’s a form social validation that they aren’t complete losers so unattractive to be unworthy of response. If they can be seen ‘flirting’ with a high value woman it ups their sexual market value by other women due to the ‘pre-selection’ phenomenon.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 11:36 AM
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What women offer (to a man): * a (potential) heir to inherit your lands, wealth and family name; * an increase in your social standing (bachelor to married man); * an alliance with her family (wealth, influence). Largely no one gives a shit about these things in this day and age so the ‘worth’ is largely redundant. The problem is what constitutes a ‘good life’ hasn’t changed and most people look to others for guidance as to how to live their lives (well) all through their youth and even well int…
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 06:11 PM
3

Agreed. Try to walk in or near nature if that’s an option.
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 09:43 PM
2

I think many younger guys don't respond well to purely intellectual arguments and the empathy circuit in the brain needs engaging by making them think 'I don't want to be called an idiot like this guy.' It's a rhetorical device. I also always have mixed feelings about the father-gets-divorced-raped story because anecdotally I've noticed these guys typically look down on MGTOW even to the point of ridicule, and then after the divorce-raping expect to be welcomed into a MGTOW community open armed.…
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 07:45 PM
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Prevention is better than cure. Pointing out his recklessness helps other men to understand the gravity of this guy's failings.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 06:50 PM
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I cannot upvote this enough -- this is what so many guys here need -- a long walk in nature, forests, mountains, rivers.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 06:48 PM
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I sympathise with the comment but we all know that civilisation was lost when the alphas decided to betray their agreement with the betas because women make more obedient consumers and serfs and nuclear weapons made conventional war no longer likely.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 05:53 PM
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The man described in these precepts is nearly immune from those who seek to control him either by threatening to take things away or offering to give him something.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 04:07 PM
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It’s an evolutionary honed unfulfillable desire present because it led to more men breeding (or breeding more) than the majority of males that didn’t have it. The release they can experience is to realise suffering like this cannot be overcome and hence no longer feel the additional angst of feeling it is in some way avoidable.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 03:57 PM
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I read foreign men cannot own property, businesses (including companies) and are vulnerable to being killed for the inheritance. Sounds like a poor choice.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 11:30 AM
4

Hope? Hope for what? A NAWALT you’re secretly hoping to marry so you can drop this MGTOW BS? You’re not an adherent for MGTOW philosophy; MGTOW is not a marriage strike.
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 07:27 AM
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Reads like a guy trying to stir-up shit. So many guys think MGTOW is some how going to change society — it won’t and they’re deluding themselves. 80% of men in a western country could go MGTOW and it wouldn’t make a jot of difference day-to-day.
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 06:04 AM
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A ‘rejected’ extrovert is never going to understand the simple pleasures that an introvert can enjoy alone.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 09:20 PM
1

I agree with the idea that human males are more motivated via instinct to want sex and more motivated by society to want children. Having said that once he has children I think there’s a mild biological imperative to invest in them. Have you read the ‘Industrial Society and Its Future’ by Ted Kaczynski?
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 06:21 PM
4

Go do the Appalachian trail instead. I don’t think you’ll find what you’re truly seeking in Thailand.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 07:33 AM
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The economy needs many young people to fail not only to profit from their striving to recover, but also so as to stagger the playing field sufficiently that the unfortunates will accept lifestyles others would not.
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 09:45 PM
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Only earning as much as you need to feel fulfilled has always been a strategy to stiff ‘the system’ designed to parasitise the male desire for progress (career, family, home ownership etc). As to what each of us needs to feel ‘fulfilled’ is up to the individual. The low level civil-war is between those who see self-improvement MGTOW and their claims as similar to those laughably made by women who claim they wear makeup and do their hair, and wear specific clothes ‘for themselves’ and those who s…
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 09:28 PM
1

The world really has done a number on us: point to a negative feeling all humans have and urge us a cure is within reach if only we do ‘X’. That feeling you’re pointing to ‘lonely’ is within the natural range of human emotions and comes and goes just like any other feeling irrespective of our circumstances. If you lived for 100s of years you’d eventually get cynical about your emotions as you’d eventually start noticing patterns and inconsistencies about when you feel X. At this point you’d star…
/r/MGTOW04/06/18 11:01 AM
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When you stop noticing you’ll be free completely.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 06:16 PM
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When I read ‘ISSA’ I hear it and everything after in Jarjar Binks’s voice.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 06:14 PM
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While true it won’t change what and who men are; you’re just trying to avoid the temptation. It’s like saying if the laws were changed you’d marry a woman now she can’t divorce rape you even though you know she would if she could, Nah...
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 06:09 PM
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They’ll be many people do anything if you can garner power doing it.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 04:49 PM
2

This post should be at the top of the page and was exactly what I was thinking of writing myself. There’s too many posts on this sub about young MGTOW trying to win an argument with a blue piller because (often correctly) they perceive unsolicited advice as a power-play and their male dominance instinct kicks in to throw some red-pill truths at the unsuspecting normie. Then when the normie gathers a crowd to shame the ‘incel’ they come crying back here because they essentially outed themselves i…
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:50 PM
1

This is an important question, if provocative, but here goes: There's no female/male behaviour in a highly abstracted pragmatic sense there's only what power you have, the power you want, and what or who you're prepared to sacrifice to get it. You can be the John Wayne cowboy type, a paladin that talks-truth to power, but know that most of those types get fucked, and importantly they get fucked before attaining the power to change themselves and or their environment. There is another path where …
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:33 PM
1

How can they shame you if you haven't told them you're MGTOW? You answer to enquiries is 'I haven't found the right one.' That's it. Too many young MGTOW are desperate to prove blue pillers wrong and when that foolhardy endeavour blows up in their face complain about the shaming. Here's the lesson: Stop trying to share red pill truths in the real world. Stop trying to win arguments with blue-pillers. You agree and amplify with blue-pillers -- there's little way they can win against that tactic. …
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:15 PM
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The left doesn't know whether to concemn incels or offer them a place among the would-be marxist revolutionaries against white men.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 02:56 PM
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Usually posts with a youtube link and no description are a hard pass but this was gold -- thanks.
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 09:33 PM
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I understand that people don't want to see humans dying in the gutter, women, children or otherwise but it's the nature of the world that we become enslaved to what we're not prepared to accept. If we cannot allow women and the children to face the consequences of their/their mother's actions we shall forever be cuckolded by that ultimatum. Even if welfare was rescinded for women/children freeing the taxpayer from being cuckolded, the woman's father, brother, uncle would be cucked instead. What …
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 08:25 PM
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Not really an argument man, it's like asking for me to get cucked and then say 'come on man it's only a little more'. What's in it for me? Chad can pay for his own children or he can get the welfare laws changed.
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 06:42 PM
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I read the laws as presented on some website and largely agree with the effectiveness of the advice (in a Machiavellian sense). Thing is they take someone to really only value internal validation which is hard for young guys so I expect said young guys are going to find it really hard to follow them even though they’d benefit from doing so.
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 06:07 PM
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Even though I have huge sympathy for this stance I disagree because if the biological father doesn’t pay the rest of the tax paying public gets cuckolded via tax to raise Chad’s baby via welfare. The minute we no longer give women and their children tax-supported welfare I’ll back you to the hilt.
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 06:00 PM
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There is no movement, MGTOW is a philosophy for the individual man, we have no demands for society and seek no change beyond ourselves.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 09:03 PM
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You may be ‘awakened while married’, but ‘no’, with a marriage contract enforced by the government you’re contradicting the wisdom of the philosophy.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 09:01 PM
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It’s not that women have always been like that, it’s (a) the perverse incentives government impose that interferes with the natural order of things plus (b) the out-right lies (about female nature) that society forces down the throats of young men.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 10:06 PM
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Further along the journey you’ll look back and think: ‘even if the world was different, I wouldn’t go back.’ Keep walking.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 09:58 PM
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‘What are you trying to tell me? I can fuck sex dolls?’ ‘No Neo, I’m trying to tell you when you’re ready, you won’t want to.’
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 09:26 PM
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The woman is Eve in the garden of Eden after eating the apple. The snakes are a metaphor for sin/evil.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 05:42 PM
2

Hmm... in my experience people react, more often than not, badly to me using even vaguely uncommon words. I just pick them up unconsciously from the stuff I read.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 04:45 PM
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Our ‘job is, at most, to create a location and content that if a blue-piller exerts even a modicum of effort searching google for answers to purple pill questions they’ll quickly find their way to us. You should not try to red pill people in real life, they have to come to MGTOW philosophy themselves in their own time. They won’t thank you and the attempt will potentially backfire on you.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 04:31 PM
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Don’t try to save him, he won’t thank you, and worse it could injure your relationship with him long-term. He must discover red pill truth himself on his own terms. Most guys see marriage as ‘getting ahead’ — proving to society you’re not a loser, ensuring you don’t have related regrets as a pensioner. Beyond just not believing the true nature of women they will doubly not accept that ‘loser-men’ could have any insight on the matter. These days men mostly get married for the perceived status upg…
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 11:53 AM
2

Normies are blue-pillers. If you disagree with my advice than by all means go ahead and learn the lessons for yourself.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 04:01 PM
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‘Real life’ in this context is a proxy for ‘in the presence of normies’. The spirit of the advice is don’t try to red pill normies — they have to come to it themselves, they cannot be coached, they will react in an undesirable way to red pill truths. Don’t expect anything but push back and shaming from normies in response to red pill truths. Further to this, so many young guys feel challenged by normies and think they can establish dominance by repeating ‘shocking’ red pill truths. This will fai…
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 11:41 AM
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increased chance of STDs; decreased ability to pair-bond (above 3 or more partners) meaning increased chance of divorce; evolutionary derived instinct to prevent cuckolding by being attracted to non-promiscuous women. Still non of these will ‘win’ an argument with women. The trick is to: never talk about red pill truths in ‘real life’; understand women will see you as a low status male until you prove them otherwise and that is impossible to do with words; always reply to enquiries to your relat…
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 09:18 PM
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You mistake a philosophy for the individual for a philosophy for society. MGTOW have existed throughout history — today is no different.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 08:48 PM
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Society’s foundation relies on men’s excess labour benefiting women and children via tax and marriage. People see men without something to lose a threat to societal stability. Women have the upper hand over me so the more they indulgences they acquire the more they fear to lose.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 08:39 PM
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Go get a girl then, no one’s going to stop you. You’re suffering because you still believe in positive outcomes with women. Ultimately MGTOW cannot be taught you have to come to it yourself.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 06:08 PM
6

(I have sympathy for your curiosity at least.) Sometimes I think the greatest threat to my bachelor lifestyle is the people who think MGTOW is a group and harbour a desire to be in some way ‘acknowledged’ by the main stream. The main stream finding a new bogey man in MGTOW is just around the corner with the incels, ‘activists’, trad cons, alt-righters, and stealth-leftists massing under the MGTOW label sensing their next chance for change. Sauron’s eye is already turning towards ‘suspiciously un…
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 05:39 PM
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MGTOW philosophy existed before this subreddit and will exist after this subreddit. Tracking the sub’s growth is a red herring — the philosophy is all that matters and it isn’t anymore true the more subs r/MGTOW acquires.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 04:09 PM
1

Not necessarily because there’s so much necessary work to do but because if they don’t squeeze out as much value as they can from any particular system / opportunity another man will come along and do it instead, potentially getting to mate where the man with the better work balance does not.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 03:04 PM
7

That’s why you get animals where the male has ridiculous sexually-selected features that make them more vulnerable to predators, malnutrition and disease e.g. a peacocks tail, some dear antlers, any bright colouration not present on the females of the species. Evolution can go fuck itself.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 02:59 PM
4

Vocal minority. Reddit has many excellent subreddits dedicated to fitness, financial independence, getting ahead in careers, hobbies. It would be redundant to try to duplicate this advice on the MGTOW subreddit. The MGTOW subreddit’s utility is to do what cannot be done in other subreddits: discuss MGTOW philosophy; provide a release valve for red pill rage. Most subreddit visitors/subscribers don’t do (1) because they lack the energy and or insight to contribute meaningfully. Most prefer to lea…
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 10:34 AM
1

If you don’t t want me to guess what your advocating you really need to be clear and upfront about what you’re urging MGTOW to do. Be specific. Many MGTOW already choose an economically minimalist lifestyle in order to minimise contribution to tax revenue. Due to the ‘equality’ laws in many European countries men cannot be directly targeted for taxation in retaliation for increasingly economically opting-out. Voting for the right candidate with the right policies = fair enough.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 12:02 PM
6

‘What if my parents tell me they’ll deny me any inheritance if I don’t have a kid?’
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 07:20 AM
0

MGTOW can have children via surrogacy but it’s insanely expensive and most will never afford it. Somehow I don’t think that’s what you’re advocating for though which is odd because MGTOW are specifically against having kids with women. Saying something is ‘natural’ is a poor argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature advocating men vote for anti-immigration policies seems doesn’t seem out-right contrary to MGTOW but again I doubt that’s really what you’re advocating for which is odd…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 06:43 AM
2

'Love' doesn't exist, what exists is lust, empathy, respect and trust.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 08:49 PM
12

What is it you're actually advocating for? MGTOW to pay for more tax to monetarily incentivise women to breed? MGTOW to breed with women and pay child support? No chance. Men cannot have children, in the most immediate sense your problem is with women.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 08:41 PM
22

Much of society or at least people’s expectations of others is based on assumptions like people’s inherent goodness, or that people like doing things whether there is an incentive or not. Men for example have always been assumed to want and more to the point pursue sex. Civilisation, indeed the economy was built on it. Women it was assumed would always want to reproduce. Again the economy always needs new tax payers and pensions rely on it. Of course these assumptions are now being tested. I don…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 09:38 PM
1

What goals/aspirations did your Neolithic ancestors have? Living in caves, washing in streams, wearing animal pelts for warmth. Do you not think they were happy? You live, you breathe, you eat, you drink, you fuck, you feel, you think, you die. This is what we are. Everything else is marketing.
/r/MGTOW221/05/18 09:59 PM
1

If you have some great ambition that’s great - go pursue it. For some of us though we don’t. We don’t have some great ambition, or unfulfilled desire. This sort of advice comes across as gaslighting to us because it suggests an urgency to do something without first discussing what is worth doing (in a philosophical sense). It’s the same threat about marriage and children — ‘do it now before it’s too late!’ ‘You won’t want to look back on your life with some great regret.’ For millennia my neolit…
/r/MGTOW221/05/18 09:43 PM
1

I can’t bring myself to browse the main MGTOW sub any longer, it has its rightful place and purpose but I am tired of the following (in no particular order): Low effort meme posts (although again, I recognise memes can sometimes be effective). Posts by incels/MRAs/rightists/leftists agitating for MGTOW to sacrifice their lives for some cause. ‘You’ll never guess what this outrageous bitch / feminist / white knight / cuckold said/did to me/someone else!’ posts. ‘I’m not MGTOW but I want to parasi…
/r/MGTOW221/05/18 07:29 PM
1

Two collieries: * non-reproductive men can and will choose actions and politics at odds with the desires of the reproductive men and their harems. * civilisations that successfully yoke the strength of non-reproductive males (traditionally by offering them the chance to reproduce) have and will invade and destroy civilisations using the harem model of society. It’s not so much male versus female but male versus male, and civilisation versus civilisation. There are similar ultimatums in society s…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 06:05 PM
3

‘You’ll want to avoid me then.’
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 10:26 PM
3

Debt, like a mortgage (and worse rent), is society’s other way of enslaving men.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 10:23 PM
1

Sometimes it’s shit if we write something and don’t get a response. Well I read your post and thought about it a while. It’s tough, even here, to criticise someone’s mother. I often think, having been previously a person to ask questions of others, that to do so is foolish. Like that quote from Steve Jobs (I think), the one about not doing market research because people don’t know what they want, I too don’t think people know why they do things and worse if questioned make up some false but plau…
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 10:19 PM
3

No such thing as ‘love’, Lust, affection, respect, trust — these things exist.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 10:04 PM
3

It’s widely known that this subreddit has a large proportion of guys new to MGTOW in the red pill rage stage. Having said that Reddit has entire subreddits dedicated to financial independence, investing, fitness, learning, so it is not necessary (and would be foolish to try) to replicate the same knowledge with ‘MGTOW sprinkles’ that exists elsewhere. As such the MGTOW subreddit can focus on the pure philosophy but unfortunately does not because it serves as the most accessible entry point to yo…
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 09:22 AM
3

No MGTOW is going to give their lives trying to save society from itself.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 09:09 AM
4

At your age you’re loathed to commit too fully to anything that limits your options because it feels like burning bridges unnecessarily and strongly aggravates your fear of missing out. If I suggest: * get rid of your blue pill ‘friends’ with whom you’re competing; * delete all your social media profiles. You’ll be resistant because you hold out hope. You care about women’s thoughts because you believe there’s a possibility for a potential positive outcome. Get rid of this belief and you will no…
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 09:05 AM
1

That’s a long post to say ‘how do I make money in my spare time?’ Well that’s a huge question and from what I’ve seen I’m not inclined to believe there are answers that can just be listed (although I’m sure others will try). Here’s another perspective: I see many guys unable or out right unwilling to enjoy their leisure time, I’d say it’s partly a hang over from blue pill life where they always need to be ‘earning’ to feel they aren’t ‘wasting’ their time. I’d suggest you strongly need a hobby (…
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 08:51 AM
5

Well that’s honest of you but you’ll end up disappointed. There are many guys here who think MGTOW is a marriage strike and get all excited about the subs growth or google trends MGTOW rating but they are seemingly unaware of the true philosophy of MGTOW. In reality MGTOW is all about the individual and it’s wisdom relates to the individual man freeing himself from societal lies and living a contented and free life after that. ‘MGTOW’ trying to change the world are to the men’s rights movement (…
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 08:31 AM
2

When I see women prostituting themselves out with this ‘seeking arrangement’ shit I just feel totally neutral because that’s what women do, oldest vocation and all that. When I see guys getting agitated about this same shit I think how misled they must have been to be so taken aback.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 10:17 PM
2

No such thing as ‘love’. Respect, desire, trust — these things exist.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 09:47 PM
2

To be so disappointed you’ve been terribly lied to about the nature of women, and indeed humans in general.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 09:41 PM
1

Her sentiment ensures her lifelong suffering. I needn’t lift one contented finger in response.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 09:20 PM
4

Even if you personally don’t reproduce you pay for other people’s children via tax. Even extended family will support a related child rather than have it adopted (most of the time). Have you ever considered how you could be cucked by your own reckless/unlucky blue pill sibling (or child)? They reproduce, die in an accident, you force yourself to adopt (or risk considering yourself a monster). Either way society gets its next tax payer.
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 05:37 PM
6

Society gaslights people about relationshits. You aren’t your feelings, nor are you your thoughts.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 09:28 AM
2

Most incels don’t do much want sex as the validation that sex represents. Society fails because it no longer offer incels the opportunity for validation other than sex. Society used to offer war to incels as a form of validation: live or die you’re a ‘hero’ (whatever that’s worth) and deserving of a slither of societal respect. Incels hate MGTOW because they refuse to believe validation can come from within them rather than without.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 09:13 AM
1

‘Gaslight yourself to see parasites as benevolent so as to reduce suffering.’
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 10:38 PM
2

It’s a way to telegraph to others you’re middle class, more specifically you have something to lose which puts others at relative ease in your company. ‘I’m not a threat and I want you to like me.’
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 10:32 PM
3

On a long enough timeline ‘yes’ we’re all fucked but I doubt that’s what you’re really getting at... We’re in uncharted territory and cannot rely on our lives progressing the same way as our parents or their parents lives have. I still think today in western countries, despite all the shit going on, is the most ideal time so far in all history to be a MGTOW. Why? Hot showers, refrigerators, washing machines, sprung mattresses, modern dentistry. Fuck yes. On top of that I’m not having to dodge co…
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 10:25 PM
1

Women seek relative wealth and power — when everyone has more women will resultantly want more.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 10:10 PM
4

You always ghost. Give her nothing. You need nothing. There is nothing.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 10:18 PM
16

It’s oh so tempting to pursue catharsis after freeing yourself from a woman but oh so commonly it’s the bait of a larger trap, often to aid future litigation. The advice stands: after finishing with a woman completely ghost her, even the third parties contacting you on her behalf.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 10:03 PM
9

So no arguments? Just ‘it’s not’? Stick to your poetry man.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 05:52 PM
25

Life’s a gift? What sort of flowery romanticism is this? Life’s just life. No one deserves ‘recognition’ for breeding.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 05:06 PM
3

Independent though is a threat to the collective and will be punished.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 12:43 PM
3

The law has always been, and will always be, about what keeps the gears of society and tax collection in particular working smoothly rather than ‘justice’. Justice is a concept wrestled with by religion and philosophy but otherwise trotted our to convince fools that their leaders or even society at large gives a fuck. Sluts need paying for.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 09:55 AM
1

It is the purpose of low status men to serve as an scape goat for society’s rage and frustration which serves the dual purpose of motivating them to take risks to escape (one less mouth to feed, one less fist raised in opposition) either by gaining status, starting a new society elsewhere, or dying in wars.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 09:48 AM
1

They don’t want the woman as much as they want the validation of society and the security of knowing that they followed society’s life script about how to lead a praise-worthy life.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 09:41 AM
-2

Meh, he publicly humiliated her so she publicly humiliated him.
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 09:28 AM
6

First level thinking: why is porn ‘easier’/‘preferable’?
/r/MGTOW13/05/18 09:21 AM
1

Thanks, I watched the longer video but it didn’t change my original impression. If the population free-falls in 30 years, as the video predicts, I would consider such a dramatic shift as symptomatic of ‘overpopulation’ not evidence against it. To this end I interpret the video as contradicting itself. Overpopulation as modelled in Calhoun’s mouse utopia experiment (read:behavioural sink) depicts this ‘die off event’ as the final stage of an overpopulated environment. There’s also a tendency in t…
/r/MGTOW11/05/18 06:52 PM
1

The video doesn’t seem to prove/assert/explain anything about overpopulation beyond that the world’s population could fit in Texas if every family was given a house and yard. It says nothing of the number of available jobs, of available jobs that offer a living wage, or of necessary amenities (schools, hospitals, sewage treatment plants, farmland, power plants, etc), or resources. It’s as if the video is defining ‘overpopulation’ as ‘no physical room’ which is somewhat absurd to say the least.
/r/MGTOW11/05/18 05:00 PM
2

Shocking to see these effeminate fops with their ludicrous hairstyles.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 07:05 PM
2

Highly abstracted intellectual spiritual topics are the result of an evolutionary spandrel, a tradeoff resultant of the situation where by smarter ancestors bred more successfully and eventually inadvertently they got smart enough to recognise their own mortality (which troubled them). So in the sense that religion/spirituality soothes our instinctive fear of death and hence allow us to be intelligent enough to know we’ll die yet not despair and continue to breed successfully then ‘yes’ church i…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 02:47 PM
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The thing is, with childless single men, nothing they want can be given. Not by the government, not by society. That’s the fear and what separates them from women who are satisfied with money or social prestige. Childless single men want ‘dangerous’ things like freedom, privacy, catharsis, justice, power.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 01:42 PM
1

Never date a woman who lists horses as an interest/hobby/job.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 01:16 PM
3

Debt. Societies other method of enslaving men.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 01:11 PM
6

All our ancestors who cared about other things than sex either died without reproducing or reproduced less. To that end, if ‘everything’ isn’t already about sex, tell me, how many generations before it is?
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 01:03 PM
2

Impregnate her if that’s what you want. You’ve read MGTOW philosophy it’s your choice. You must save yourself or not at all.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 01:00 PM
5

Never talk about red pill knowledge in real life. Ever. You’ll learn time and time again that the best strategy is to either say as little as possible or agree and amplify others’ normie suggestions. The key is to aim of a mindset where all that matters is that you like who you are, enjoy your interests and that you do not need nor seek people’s validation of your beliefs, interests or philosophies. In the world but not of the world...
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 12:51 PM
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They don’t care about falling sex rates or falling marriage rates — they care about where the next generation of net tax payers and care home workers are coming from.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 12:38 PM
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What is a young man’s purpose in the prototypical human tribal village? To take risks, to die in the attempt (one less mouth to feed, one less raised fist to challenge), or to succeed and return with meat, or new women. In an age with no war, no enemy, no wild animals, no new lands the young man is viewed as a threat to societal stability — he has nothing to lose, he wants things, he has no dependents to temper his self-interest. Childless male bachelors have the potential to grow in number, the…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 12:33 PM
2

The concept is a trap — there is no ‘end goal’. What goals did your Neolithic ancestors have? Living in caves, washing in streams, wearing animal pelts for warmth. Do you not think they were happy? You live, you breathe, you eat, you drink, you fuck, you feel, you think, you die. This is what we are. Everything else is marketing.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 12:04 PM
1

Incels versus SJWs will be the next great battle in the culture war. In the term ‘incel’ is perfect for the SJW to use as a catchall term to describe their most effective opposition so far: any straight white male low in the social hierarchy (and as such have little to lose). The irony is that the left leaning media risk galvanising what is essentially an unrecognised nascent voting block demographic by giving them a name. Incels are the human sacrifice necessary for the feminist communist utopi…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 11:34 AM
2

Just because women are insufferable doesn’t mean men are going to be the opposite. Another red pill to swallow is most men are insufferable too. Ironically the status seeking behaviour is somewhat lessened on the internet because of anonymity preventing men belittling other men’s physical appearance / employment / hobbies to establish dominance. This is partially why men benefit from anonymous forums etc (the other is to allow discussion without female attention whoring). Women like real world i…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 10:56 AM
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‘I want to talk at you more but I have nothing to say—I want you to generate interesting discussion topics that I’ll enjoy (not your boring interests).’ ‘I’m bored and, well, what’s the point of a boyfriend if he’s not entertaining me?‘ ‘Also, you need to entertain me without me prompting you, it’s like you don’t even care if I might be bored with you. I’m so much more special than other women and you’re acting like I’m not. It’s like emotional abuse or something...’ /s
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 10:31 AM
3

Management deliberately recruit and keep people like this as consciously or unconsciously they know such a person will absorb all the frustration and hate that might otherwise be targeted at management from employees lower in the hierarchy. You can see why in ancient small communities some villagers just end up dead/disappear and it’s blamed on spirits/demons etc.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 10:16 AM
5

Reminds me strongly of the interview with ‘Black’. This is a nerdy reference but interesting none the less: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/looking-out-number-one-2008-10-20 In the article replace ‘Black’ with MGTOW, ‘White’ with women, and ‘colours’ with philosophies/ideologies/outlooks.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 09:08 AM
2

Freedom from bodily pain is the greatest happiness there is.
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 09:31 PM
6

How to filter out non-alphas and ensure they’re sufficiently gas-lighted not to go on a rampage.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 08:36 AM
1

I seek only to point out that the stance that a 'first cause' is a more plausible explanation than 'infinite regression' is not equal to the stance that 'God', as you define the word or otherwise, is more plausible than 'infinite regression'. In other words a 'first cause' is not by necessity an entity, nor a conscious willful creator.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 07:13 PM
1

I know what you’re saying — that’s why I commented. It’s one thing to claim a ‘first cause’ is more likely over infinite regression and another thing to call that ‘first cause’, ‘God’, with all the ambiguity and implied meaning that word carries.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 04:59 PM
1

Other men, blue pill men, are envious of him, as such there is (some) value in his eyes if only to emasculate his enemy (other men). Most guys only understand this on an instinctual level: to destroy your enemy, other men, break their spirit.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 01:53 PM
1

All that really states is you believe in a ‘first cause’ which you call ‘god’. Yet the choice of word implies more than just being a first cause.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 10:11 AM
8

As an aside: there’s no such thing as ‘love’; ‘respect’, ‘affection’, ‘loyalty’, ‘attraction’, these things exist but not ‘love’.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 08:24 AM
1

People are fat because they’ve lost hope.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 08:19 AM
1

You’re misinformed about Barbarossa — he’s not married, never been married, and advocates against marriage.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 10:26 PM
2

MGTOW makes one concrete demand: do not get married. Personally I wouldn’t choose what Barbarossa has chosen (way too risky) but he has never hid his girlfriend and has never advocated the necessity of not interacting with women so he’s not contradicting himself or the philosophy. Barbarossa has contributed some fantastic ideas and concepts to the philosophy and in my opinion he’s one of the great MGTOW content creators.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 10:19 PM
1

Just because he’s taking huge risks doesn’t make him not MGTOW. Besides, Barbarossa the man is irrelevant rather it’s the ideas and philosophy presented in the excellent videos he’s produced over the years. If Stardusk, Barbarossa, Razor Blade Candy, and all the rest of them cucked-out tomorrow it wouldn’t make the truths they said in the past any less true or valuable. Go your own way.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 06:21 PM
1

I read something the other day that like windows 10 Ubuntu tracks you (telemetry) by default.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 07:27 AM
3

The only problem I foresee with this is you’ll get arseholes turning up who only care about ‘winning’ the fight. The need for a charismatic leader that understands the underlying philosophy is paramount. The know-no-better alphas-in-waiting turning up to ‘AMOG’ other guys will ruin it if they’re not properly handled. It’s about hitting bottom not gaining dominance.
/r/MGTOW16/04/18 06:16 PM
1

Was the sex worth it? Will it be worth it next time? Remember how this feels.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 09:34 AM
1

Seems like two types of questions (1) the question in the topic title and (2) your specific circumstance. (1) * men society likes (for all the usual gynocentric reasons) don’t build models. (2) * your parents will consciously/unconsciously slowly increase your incentive to move out over time.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 09:27 AM
2

The one rule / defining concept of MGTOW is you cannot be married. Have you watched Barbarossa’s videos?
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 09:05 AM
6

Then you get invited to a BBQ and you think: What is my gain here? Laugh at each others jokes? Sit there and hear the latest cuckery? My thoughts exactly. I was in the exact same scenario, early 30s, just couldn't see the gain anymore. I don't wish them ill, I just don't desire to witness the escalating cuckery.
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 08:05 PM
2

This is the most MGTOW non-MGTOW article I have ever read. The comments alone are absolute cancer.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 09:55 PM
2

Your observations are believable but your implied conclusion, that the difference is a generational quality, is only a half-truth. Non-dumb arse office workers in young generations are going to be more passive because they don’t have an established position on the hierarchy to bolster their confidence. They’ll need the older men to, to some degree, mentor them, and don’t wish to burn bridges. They need that ever valuable 3-5 years experience on their CVs and references.
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 08:28 PM
2

Always trust your dick, if you cannot get it up, but you can in other scenarios, your unconscious mind is protecting you.
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 10:53 AM
1

We can quibble over who specifically is to blame but ultimately, well, what's that quote from Jurassic Park? I don't blame people for their mistakes. But I do ask that they pay for them. There's Gen X guys, and the Xennial generation, that know for a fact they're not to blame. Millennials well, they're so young they've never known anything but propaganda (and laregely act as such). Ultimately, even after women got the vote, the alpha/beta male voting alliance persisted with a majority. It was on…
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 07:22 PM
1

I don't know who downvoted you for this comment but I agree with you.
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 06:50 PM
1

Interesting read. Still, I'm left unsure what specifically you're advocating for / warning against in the context of MGTOW. Fathers will fight for their sons. (Unless they don't.) If they don't 80% of the sons embrace MGTOW philosophy and don't breed. The 20% of sons left do breed but realise they're a minority demographic in a democracy and the childess MGTOW don't give a fuck what happens to the 20%'s children. Result: the baby boomer fathers destroyed the male alpha/beta voting alliance and u…
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 02:05 PM
6

Ever thought of all coming together and destroying the system? Destroy the system? Compared to the rest of history, despite the recent downturn, the system has never been better for a bachelor. MRM seek to change the system not MGTOW. Further to that, do you really think that the MRM has failed so far due to lack of numbers? The MRM fails because no one gives a shit what the bottom 80% of males on the dominance hierarchy have to say. The effect it'll have when it comes to media and women who see…
/r/MGTOW06/04/18 12:53 PM
2

Great video. The Alexander the Great and Diogenes story is the perfect delineation and reconciliation between ‘self improvement MGTOW’ and ‘monk MGTOW’.
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 09:59 AM
3

Don't get married. Always wear a condom. Don't talk about red pill philosophy in real life. We'll see you back here when you're 27-30 and your anxious/conflicted about your NAWALT possibly leaving you if you don't propose soon.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 11:15 PM
1

Just like whores reduce the price of pussy these guys reduce the price of male commitment. Having said that if he wants to be a cuckold that’s no skin off my nose. What I’m against is being forced to raise other men’s children via tax. On the other hand I’d find it hard to respect a cuckold. There’s also the societal gas-lighting that somehow cuckolding isn’t against a man’s reproductive advantage.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 06:13 PM
2

SJWs lay claim to ethnic minorities so in order to prevent non-whites identifying as MGTOW they push the idea that only whites are MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:54 PM
2

It’s a reproductive strategy. They’re not necessarily fooled rather their genes/experiences result in a ‘reproduce even at a high cost’ strategy. The deception is the story they tell themselves after the fact to defend their ego. Our disdain for their strategy is because (a) they’re undercutting the price of male commitment and (b) they’re not honest about their high cost strategy. —- The irony is many of these guys, while they were married looked down on MGTOW, and after the kid(s) and the ‘div…
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:05 PM
6

I believe in the possibility that in the right circumstances men can act (at best) honourably with one and other but it’s rare and in fact the world goes out of its way to encourage the opposite. Homo homini lupus
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 10:13 PM
1

Great photo, very MGTOW. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 09:29 PM
1

Dignity. Acquire it, maintain it and die with it.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:01 PM
1

Cuck’s gonna cuck. Look at what a knife edge evolution has placed the human male on that he can be cuckolded and still seek a rationalisation his higher brain can accept. This guy’s lizard brain still thinks the bitch is his best chance at passing on his genes even if he has to raise another man’s child for the potential opportunity. Know this — welfare for single mothers is this sort of cuckolding on a national scale — all we’re really talking about when we compare ourselves to this guy is how …
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 09:31 PM
1

The only answer worth a damn.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 11:49 AM
2

Thank you for sharing this. Legend.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 11:41 AM
1

Increased attention from onlookers.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 11:37 AM
6

If MGTOW lost all other support tomorrow I’d still benefit from the knowledge.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:44 AM
1

You don’t need other men to ‘overcome and fight their thirst ball tendencies’ only you. Many men would have to die to balance out the sexual market.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:42 AM
1

Rewards were removed and punishments were introduced.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:38 AM
3

The prototypical human village, from a evolutionary perspective, doesn’t have a place for its excess males beyond (a) dying in conflicts with other villages and (b) splitting off to form their own villages. Today in the first world there’s (largely) no physical conflict and no land left to expand to. Excess males are now surplus to requirements. —- My point is that the natural solutions are now spent so any artificial work-around is going to be, to some extent, unsatisfying and flawed. Largely t…
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:25 AM
15

My ‘programming’ says I should eat tasty food all day every day too. I don’t do that.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 09:59 AM
2

Nothing like shared suffering to consolidate a potential voting block.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 02:54 PM
14

Betas will work harder if they have something to lose (wife, children, home), and legitimate progeny to leave inheritance to (rather than the Government). Alphas allowed Betas to have families of their own (marriage) to increase productivity and civilisation buy-in. 'Beta-buy-in countries' out-compete 'Alpha-harem countries'. Alphas and Betas both benefit. Beta productivity via automation and labour-saving innovations allow women to produce and consume more. Women end up making better betas than…
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 02:14 PM
3

Yes it would still be a thing but that’s because there’s men here that are ‘one-blow-job-away’ from returning to the plantation. Such men are more MRAs than MGTOW. MGTOW wouldn’t get married whether the laws were changed to favour men.
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 11:59 AM
2

It begs the question: what is there to pursue other than the red herrings you describe? Virtue, truth, god? Nihlism, hedonism? Whatever the truth of it all such things are ‘next level traps’, unfalsifiable, to some degree faith-based; the only surviving propositions from ages-ago when similar men to us asked the same questions.
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 11:15 AM
2

It’s not loneliness or anxiety. It’s distrust and disgust.
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 01:13 PM
1

‘Should they be paid the same as the infantry men they aren’t held to the same standards as?’
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 12:59 PM
1

Glorious.
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 10:35 PM
3

Tax paying MGTOW shouldn't have to collectively pay for Chad's kids via taxes and welfare to single mothers. Reverse bachelor tax.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/03/18 08:57 PM
1

All you can do is ensure you are not the beta-bucks. Women talk about this because there are men that are prepared to be beta-bucks providers.
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 09:24 AM
3

As much as I agree with you, there’s always been taboo topics in ‘polite society’ no matter the age you live. We just swapped religious ideologies for secular ideologies.
/r/MGTOW17/03/18 10:12 PM
1

As soon as you have a wife / child / animal living under the same roof as you you’re inviting the government into your life.
/r/MGTOW17/03/18 09:57 PM
6

This. Exactly. So many words to say ‘I want a divorce and I want it to be your fault.’
/r/MGTOW17/03/18 06:05 PM
7

‘One blowjob away’ MGTOW have always existed and always will exist. The evolutionary drive is strong and only males that were able to deny reality survived to reproduce and pass on their genes. Think about how we deny the inevitably of our own impending death every day of or lives—the same mental gymnastics are at play. I’m just glad I’m not him.
/r/MGTOW11/03/18 10:37 PM
15

I just took it as a debating tactic — to ‘in the moment’ tacitly accept something you disagree with in order to deny your opponent the opportunity to derail the conversation.
/r/MGTOW11/03/18 10:20 PM
11

Society requires beyond all things that men never cease to pursue NAWALT unicorns. It needs men to over produce to fund women and children and if you never find a unicorn, or get divorced tough luck no guarantees were made. Time to focus on the simple pleasures in life you can provide yourself everyday. Produce only what you need. Withdraw, find equanimity.
/r/MGTOW11/03/18 09:03 PM
3

My advise to you is this: come here for discovering sources of wisdom but be careful of this place. The guys here are just people. When your tempted by feelings of belonging even brotherhood know that such thoughts are a red herring. ‘Male-mother-need’, existential anxiety, is almost as dangerous as believing women can love you. We’re alone in the universe and on a journey of coming to terms with that fact — some MGTOW try to use communities like this subreddit to make them feel less alone but t…
/r/MGTOW11/03/18 08:34 PM
1

Many MGTOW, especially the Barbarossa/Stardusk/RazorBladeCandy MGTOW, would not get married if women returned to wanting to be house wives. We were lied to about the nature of women — putting women back into a position where they ‘pretend’ in order to maintain the ‘noble lie’ will not some how wipe red pill truth from MGTOW minds. You can’t be inserted back to into the matrix and if you could would you really want to? Welcome to the desert of the real.
/r/MGTOW11/03/18 08:14 PM
1

There’s no specific MGTOW stance on having children. Personally I don’t recommend giving the government (and agents thereof) the excuse to invade your life by having a human/animal in your household they can accuse you of mistreating.
/r/MGTOW10/03/18 10:11 PM
1

This filthy insidious cuckolding cancer seems to be trying to find any inroad it can...
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 09:35 PM
1

Like I’ve said before every attack on men like this pass unopposed by high ranking men specifically to destroy their immediate male competitors. It’s just like kings of old cutting the balls off his harem’s guards.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 07:07 PM
5

I’m not saying it’ll happen I’m just saying you have to be prepared to allow it to happen. That’s the hurdle that would have to be overcome when some bitch politician says ‘so you’re going to let all of them starve’ and you say: ‘yes, it’s on them, the government won’t lift a finger’. It better not be said with bravado either — they have to believe you. Even then the women will still have the kids and force their male relatives to support them. Fathers -> Cucks -> Tax Payers -> Male Relatives On…
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 05:21 PM
9

It’s not the feminists, it’s not even the potential dead/women children, it’s the upper echelons of the male hierarchy wanting to monetise men, they want the next generation of tax payers and they want men to pay for them.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 05:16 PM
44

The woman gets pregnant, the man financially abdicates, the woman has the baby anyway and all men in the country now have to chip-in through taxes to pay for the child. Mass cucking. You have to be prepared to let the woman and child starve (without benefits) or else this (male financial abortion) is all for naught. There's huge proportions of the MGTOW community (nevermind the general populace) that would not countenance the scenario where he'd see women and new-borns dead on the road-side from…
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 01:47 PM
6

I'll take refrigerators, mattresses, and hot running water over pussy any day of the week. Fair trade in my humble opinion.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 12:45 PM
3

You cannot be told what red pill philosophy is you have to discover it yourself. Don’t try to save them, don’t ever mention MGTOW, say nothing. If you can do this you can continue to be MGTOW and keep your friends. Most young guys cannot do this though because they take it personally that their friends think they’re ‘losers’ for not having a girlfriend and seek in turn to convince their friends why in fact they are the blue pill ‘losers’. Don’t do this.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 09:35 AM
13

You reference lies that are the equivalent of Santa Claus for grown-ups. The idea is to get you to want something deeply that doesn’t actually exist so you’ll be perpetually unsatisfied and hence primed to always be seeking a solution. It’s all marketing. It’s all tax generating ‘productivity’. Your ancestors lived in caves, clothed themselves in animal pelts, and washed in rivers — do you think they weren’t happy? You have everything you need to be happy right now.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 09:18 AM
2

I'm tempted to say 'but men are male primates'. I'm unsure what overall point your asserting in your latter comments but shared trust among a few men in a hunting party is not male solidarity, it's not collective bargaining on behalf of all men. Female humans as a collective always exhibited one (generalised) reproductive strategy. Male humans on the other hand have always differed in their reproductive strategies and said strategies would and do conflict.
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 02:10 PM
3

I don't know why you made that decision. If you claimed it was because of 'male solidarity' -- collective bargaining on behalf of all men with all women -- I'd not believe you. I could come up with possible reasons why you might, evo-psych-based reasons, game-theory-based reasons but the discussion would be futile as there's no way to prove it. My stance is that the evo-psych and game-theory-based reasons trump the men-are-rational-conscious-moral-actors theory.
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 02:02 PM
9

Right, when's the last time a woman, even in a long-term relationship, asked the GUY out!? Women trade the possibility for sex for money. If 99.99% of men were able to resist women's demands the result would simply be the 0.01% of men left siring society's children by fucking the most attractive women. Men's best strategy (in this regard) is and has always been to destroy other men (limit male competition). Male solidarity is a myth. But if you're MGTOW you are, individually, already passed this…
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 09:36 AM
1

There’s 12 year olds smart enough to get around this ban never mind adult men. All articles like this do is show their hand early. This is the first salvo of an escalating gambit — first they came for your porn, then your proxies, they already have your history browsing history. Never before have they admitted in print so plainly what MGTOW philosophers have been telling you for years.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 10:08 PM
6

Disagree. You can’t be told about MGTOW you have to come to it yourself.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 10:57 AM
3

It’s still here, that sentiment, but the guys who advocate it get shouted down by the ‘big spender’ ‘self-improvement’ MGTOW who see minimalist living as beta behaviour.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 10:27 AM
12

Women tend to work part-time or not at all after the same money is spent funding subsidising their education. This can be seen in the UK’s NHS and the number of female doctors who were heavily subsidised by the tax payer.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 10:25 AM
1

Power corrupts
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 10:57 PM
74

Don’t ever communicate with this person again. Ever.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 10:53 PM
1

I don’t believe any action that involves you speaking words to anyone will solve this issue. If someone goes to touch you and you anticipate it, prevent them by obstructing their hands or removing their hands (gently but firmly). Say nothing, don’t look at them, don’t respond to their comments, carry on with your business. Speaking is the first and last mistake.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 10:52 PM
1

A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side. The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman. Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 04:05 PM
2

I think there’s a desperation to act, to kill, which ultimately derived from the effects of hither to unknown levels of overpopulation, ‘behavioural sink’, that is straining to find an outlet. I won’t be killing or dying for traitor women or my traitor ancestors.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 12:57 PM
17

Minimise the amount of tax you generate for the government. Do not give to charity. Don’t take on or create any dependents. Do not seek to change the world around you.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 11:30 PM
1

Start a fight club. Seriously though all the men around me are well and truly in the system.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 11:17 PM
24

What a fucking legend—shits given by that Polish hard arse = zero.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 11:04 PM
3

No but civilisation (which relies on marriage and family) is a ponzi scheme. Everyone has to be productive to secure a mate, not everyone secures a mate, by the time the loser accepts they’ve lost civilisation has had their pound of flesh (tax, utility). Every generation’s pensions are dependent on perpetuating the myth so parents lie to children. People lie to themselves—better to take full responsibility for your circumstances than accept you have limited ability to change your situation—to do…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 09:58 PM
37

The one with the Poland bad arse is more... impactful.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 09:17 PM
26

Preparing for what? My ancestors and their ancestors opened the borders and decided to pass the problem down the generational line and now, what? I’m part of the generation that has to pay for all previous generations bad decisions? Fuck. That. Shit. Europe was over before you and I were even born - your ancestors fucked you in exchange for cheap labour, takeaway restaurants, and (most importantly) not upsetting the wife. I’m not bailing women out and I’m not bailing my ancestors out either. Whi…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:44 PM
1

Nothing like a populace willing to self identify.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:45 PM
6

Technically MGTOW philosophy doesn’t address LGBT. On the other hand, typically, LGBT are typically associated with people who seek to prevent (or otherwise hinder) men going their own way so said men may be inclined towards suspicion of LGBT.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:39 PM
22

“Fuck her gain...” Bad advice. Don’t be alone in her presence again. In fact just don’t see or communicate with her again. The best revenge is living a happy life.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:35 PM
9

It ‘puts you’ exactly where you described - married with MGTOW sympathies. MGTOW is a philosophy not an identity or a group.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 10:29 PM
5

Most MGTOW are INTJ or INTP (although not all). For the most part ‘sigma male’ rightly or wrongly is what INTJs call themselves, or an idealised form of themselves. INTPs largely strike everyone as omegas although in their idealised form are best placed to actually achieve ‘MGTOW monk’ status at which point they defy categorisation.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 09:38 PM
2

In before divorced father who lives on the other side of the country is hauled into court to stand accountable for his sons actions (while mother is let off for being too sick/fat/traumatised/depressed etc).
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 05:19 PM
5

Many of the quotes (in the article) work from the basis that masculinity is entirely a choice rather than an in-built instinct — leftist tabula rasa propaganda.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 05:12 PM
6

If ‘traditionally female’ jobs guaranteed the affection and attraction of beautiful young women blue pill men would be lining up to do them.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 04:37 PM
4

Its always been like this and it always will be. For every modern gynocentric law that didn’t exist there was an archaic gynocentric law like being legally responsible for every crime your wife commits. White knights were just as common then as they are now. There were no dna tests to prove your wife cheated on you. Despite how hellish it is now I consider men have never been so free to be MGTOW as they are right now. Refrigerators, hot water taps, mattresses, washing machines. Fucking awesome. …
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 03:54 PM
2

Cities are predominantly for women.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 03:35 PM
4

It’s just the effects of over population and the restrictions that prevent us acting on our natural desire to split into communities that believe similarly. An animal is going to get ever more stressed if it feels it’s constantly surrounded by enemies without ability to flee (or fight).
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 03:12 PM
12

But of course the ‘he’s like a drug dealer’ is not so much her thought but those of her vacuous friends and neighbours that she’s internalised. Essentially it would be easy to imagine she’s been a hateful, materialistic, judgemental bitch to others and she’s scared shitless they now have ammunition to return the favour.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/01/18 02:09 PM
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What I personally find so hateful about this woman is the disdain and superiority that it is so easy to imagine she had towards anyone poorer or more overweight than herself but NOW she seeks compassion from others.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/01/18 11:17 AM
4

While denial is the best strategy the reality is she’ll be quietly pleased/amused she can provoke defensiveness in you. Just say nothing. If she says this in-person just look at her and say nothing - it wasn’t a question so needs no response. If you must leave a pregnant pause while keeping eye contact and then ask an unrelated question.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 11:06 AM
3

The knee jerk response is to say ‘trad-con’ but when you compare what it’s saying with the commonly agreed upon values of yesteryear there’s some interesting differences. In ages gone by, pre-industrial England, 1950s America to a lesser extent, every man was expected to get married and sire children. Like married like in the community and in doing solidarity in the community was maintained because everyone’s interests were seen as aligned. If the men/women didn’t marry it was because they had e…
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 12:44 PM
2

The taboo you’re alluding to is that alone the MGTOW philosophy / lifestyle is insufficient to guarantee a healthy state of mind.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:54 PM
2

‘They’re stealing our men attention’
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 09:31 PM
1

Wear a wedding ring and put pictures of young children in family settings on your desk.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 07:13 PM
6

Despite the truth of this try not to be too depressed - you live in an age with hot water taps, mattresses, refrigerators and washing machines.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 11:56 PM
2

I recommend you read the 48 laws of power by Robert Greene. Particularly: Law 1: Never Outshine the Master Law 3: Conceal Your Intentions Law 4: Always Say Less than Necessary Law 21: Play a Sucker to Catch a Sucker— Seem Dumber than Your Mark Law 38:Think as You Like but Behave Like Others ’If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way t…
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 09:43 AM
2

Jeez... "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill..." Seeking to one-up people simply telegraphs 'adolescent' to others -- you won't achieve what you want. People and their beliefs are nothing to you -- don't engage.
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 08:41 PM
5

As a young guy your greatest weakness, except for fear of missing out, is the desire to answer perceived challenges. You need to silently telegraph to all that you're immune from being provoked. The answer to 'what kind of girls do you like?' is 'I don't think I have a type'. If asked if you're in a relationship you answer 'you haven't found the right one'. Vague, non committal. Reveal nothing. Do not be tempted to bring up red pill truths in public. Ever. Do not try to use red pill truth as a w…
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 01:30 PM
31

The upper (male) management are complicit in the social bullshit because they use the dominant female ‘culture’ of the lower ranks to attempt to emasculate lower ranking males that might seek to usurp them. It’s the same as civilisation at large, politics, everything.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 11:11 PM
1

Too many people.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 11:00 PM
4

The entire basis of society is people fucking over other people relying on their victim’s belief that they have too much to lose to risk defending themselves.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 10:50 PM
3

She can price herself however much she wants but it doesn’t mean there will be people willing to buy.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 02:38 PM
15

Just think of all the tax money you’ll be generating for the government and their single mothers doing all of that.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 02:35 PM
6

Or she has all the traits she listed as wanting in a man and thinks she should be considered attractive by men despite being ugly/fat/old/abrasive personality.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 02:33 PM
9

There's no catharsis from that video -- did she leave the car in the end? Did the police come? What happened? Frustrating.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 02:07 AM
1

Join the MRA. Create your own movement if that doesn’t suit you. MGTOW has never been about activism — it’s a philosophy not a movement.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 11:25 PM
1

You can’t have socialism without a large population of workers to tax and the white working class males in the uk are a prime demographic for taxing if they could only be motivated to not ghost a system that is against them. Unfortunately today you cannot tempt the white male working class with the prospect of a home and a wife to look after it so... propaganda instead? It sounds like she’s on these guys side but really she’s bemoaning that they won’t overproduce without incentive.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 11:10 PM
3

Upsurge in height related threads recently? I swear I read these and think: ‘these guys would prefer to be the height they want and fucking these hateful women then be the height they are and know they have dodged a bullet’. ‘And I’m supposed to feel bad for these guys?’
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 10:51 PM
8

The problem is TV replaced community as the keeper of culture. The problem is women make more profitable consumers that men do. The reality is there is no ‘men’ as a group rather many individual males competing with each other. The problem is women have the vote. The problem is you still care.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 10:41 PM
3

You don’t. It won’t go well for you. These guys need to go through the requisite pain in order to grow — wisdom like this cannot be taught — they won’t accept it.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 10:29 PM
1

I don’t live in the US but again that’s surprising. How can you be obligated to someone you have no control over and have signed no contract with? It’s outrageous and unethical.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 09:09 AM
2

There’s guys here at many different stages. Many of the most verbal are the guys that are newest to the philosophy. Just the same as any mental/emotional ‘injury’, in order to overcome it the individual should address it repeatedly until, eventually, it’s recollection engenders no emotional response. At this point the next stage is open for the individual. I understand why you, and others like you, expressed the sentiment you have but ultimately it serves only as an indicator that you need to pr…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 11:51 PM
1

Are you say the BBC has reported this incorrectly?
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:39 PM
2

Under Taiwan's civil code, adult offspring have the responsibility to provide for their elderly parents... How can you be born into bondage like this?
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 02:40 PM
3

Start a leftist MRA movement for yourself and your buddies? MGTOW is a poor recruiting ground for you — I say the same to the tradcons who come here looking for know-no-better males to be the footsoldiers of their revolution.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 12:26 AM
2

Men will arrive here when they’re ready and no sooner. You cannot force the red pill on anyone they must discover it themselves. If you disagree you can join the men’s rights movement. MGTOW is a philosophy not a movement.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 12:22 AM
1

No, rather that talking about MGTOW philosophy would isolate MGTOW (from the vast blue pill population).
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 11:30 AM
9

I consider the first (and second) rule of MGTOW to be to not talk about MGTOW (to blue pillers). Some younger guys can’t help themselves (the poor sods). As MGTOW is a philosophy for an individual and not an identity there’s zero incentive for me to speak about it to any blue-piller. I don’t seek to ‘save’ anyone nor do I want to use MGTOW philosophy to prove I’m ‘right’ or ‘better’ than anyone — I just want to go my own way without being hassled. Let the dead bury their own.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 12:02 AM
3

Sometimes it’s good to remind yourself what it’s like.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 11:46 PM
1

No consequences huh? Quelle surprise...
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 10:37 PM
1

If you're just making a comment that 'it can get a whole lot worse than currently' then I agree. If you're suggesting that women have somehow become immune to the fall of the system then you're wrong. Laws can only exist against men while a the police and judiciary exist to maintain it. However the system will never fall because there are (high status) men that benefit from the anti-male laws. Such men use the gynocentric system to destroy their immediate sexual competitors (other men) by, for e…
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 07:17 PM
1

Interesting points, I do think number of siblings will have an effect (as your describe) on 'motivation' but I also think other factors will come into play. Type A personalities will still be relatively driven over type B personalities (innate), males will still be motivated to over produce due to female desire for money and status (dominance instinct, peer pressure, sexual competition) and females motivated to achieve to gain access to the social circles of high achieving males. (I'm not sugges…
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 06:55 PM
3

To think Charlie Brooker used to write for PC gamer magazine...
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 01:25 PM
1

This is relevant to MGTOW but the self improver MGTOW sub-group and the trad-con MGTOW sub-group will not like it. For the monk-MGTOW subgroup and the ghost-MGTOW subgroup this is relevant. The boomer parasites need the younger generations to be ever more ‘ambitious’ (making tax revenue) to fund their pensions and ‘social justice policies’. China isn’t happy the new cash crop isn’t thriving in the increasingly bleak economic situation and are wheeling out the shaming language rather than address…
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 01:23 PM
1

This is true however it’s also true that everyone in a society continually contorts and manipulates to place the burden of fighting on to someone else (or at least the mainstay of the burden). At some point one group gains the upper hand over another and creates an unexpected scenario where by the over burdened group can threaten to choose to no longer fight knowing it will put the entire system at risk. This is what’s happening with men and women with men being the overburdened group.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 01:17 PM
3

I disagree. You present MGTOW as a monolithic unified philosophy when it has long been known that MGTOW philosophy is divided between ‘MGTOW monks’ and ‘MGTOW self improvers’.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 01:11 PM
0

Less people in their own countries?
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 12:36 PM
1

The definition of MGTOW has been up for much debate and all that’s ever been decided is that it’s ‘not being married’ (to a woman). Now what you say about being subject to gynocentric forces is still true for homosexual men irrespective of whether the MGTOW definition applies. As MGTOW is not an identity or a movement and has no collective aims you as an individual can simply take what you want from the philosophy for your own betterment (just like the rest of us). I do suspect homosexual men co…
/r/MGTOW27/12/17 10:35 AM
1

MGTOW isn’t something you are, it’s not an identity, it’s a philosophy you choose to implement in your life. It’s fairly obvious MGTOW is a philosophy predicated on being a heterosexual man. On the other hand there’s wisdom in it that could benefit homosexual men such as the recognition of male mother need and male dominance instinct.
/r/MGTOW26/12/17 11:49 PM
3

The unattractive males killing themselves aren’t really males... /s
/r/MGTOW25/12/17 06:39 PM
5

The company of people you enjoy > being alone > the company of people you dislike.
/r/MGTOW25/12/17 06:37 PM
1

Throughout history there’s always been men who believed nofap would bring them magical powers / eternal life — the meme is ancient.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 07:06 PM
3

Same thing as Buddhism or Stoicism or Epicureanism. It’s a philosophy for individual men not a political movement for groups of people. There are no aims beyond the individual’s own mind/body.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 07:01 PM
1

You don’t (but you knew that). It’s pretty simple though: in socialism men end up paying the most and benefitting the least. In crony capitalism of the right it’s the same except the beneficiaries are corporations. There’s a preference for the latter over the former related to men’s’ preference to aspire to become ‘cronies’ rather than women.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 06:23 PM
1

Bingo.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 05:33 PM
1

You cannot keep expecting a population to grow while the land they live on remains the same. It amazes me that discussions refuse to address this point.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 11:08 AM
3

Men would get with women if they walked around in sack cloth. They do it to fuck over other women.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 11:01 AM
3

It may also be a case of a woman being neglected in the bedroom. So hedge your bets and cheat in secret? How about divorce and then do what (or who) you like without the necessary deceit?
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 08:13 PM
6

(no offence to married mgtow brothers) What?
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 08:08 PM
0

What MGTOW would give these women money? If 'none', why bother with the appeal to not support them?
/r/MGTOW16/12/17 11:22 PM
3

Morality aside, in the uk, you can go to jail for dating someone over the age of 18 if you were previously their teacher specifically because it’s considered an abuse of power.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/12/17 12:55 PM
2

Men lost all their leverage. Unlike in the past women don’t need to rely on husbands to feed them as they have daddy government / corporate boy friend. The government doesn’t need men because (a) wars and military action is now averted by nuclear deterrents and global economic sanctions and (b) industry and manufacturing are no longer the backbone of the economy.
/r/MGTOW15/12/17 11:21 PM
2

Not fighting also means, to her, that she can afford to find a richer / better looking guy than you. If you didn’t fight and put up with her shit it’s because you thought she was a good deal and she’d prefer to find a man that can afford to be more discerning (because he has higher sexual market value).
/r/MGTOW15/12/17 11:01 PM
2

Men’s suffering is a biological reality, an ‘inequality’, ‘they’ think men aren’t doing enough to hide (for the greater good of ‘the [equality] cause’). The one way to resolve the presence of male suffering, in an ideological, cognitive dissonance sense is to turn it around on men and claim it’s a choice, that men are choosing suffering, and that there is no such thing as masculinity. It’s similar to disdain they reserve for women who choose to be house wives who they consider selfish because th…
/r/MGTOW15/12/17 10:43 PM
2

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about bein…
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 03:02 PM
2

Write a blog instead. When you're ready you go back and read your blog posts to create your YouTube channel.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 03:00 PM
3

There's no brotherhood. MGTOW is a philosophy for an individual man. So many men here care more about the community than the philosophy. I'm not saying I hate them for this or anything but ultimately you have to recognise this: 'the community is just another outlet for (your) male mother need'.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 02:37 PM
0

Queue the battle between self improvement MGTOW and monk MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 02:30 PM
1

Are they really bemoaning the lack of sex or are they in fact anguishing over the lack female validation? I suspect it’s less about fucking and more about knowing your part of the bottom x% of males.
/r/MGTOW06/12/17 11:12 PM
6

Trying to warn your male friends Don't. That is all.
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 09:14 PM
2

So many guys find this impossible but it is the best path to take. The first two rules of mgtow are the same as fight club - keeping your fucking gob shut irl.
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 10:59 AM
12

A crime was committed against you. That said from the scenario described it was for your ‘friend’ to dismiss the woman. Don’t put yourself in that position again — just walk away.
/r/MGTOW03/12/17 10:45 AM
3

No longer socialise with your toxic social group. Understand and truly accept that whatever happens you will be tempted to regret your decisions later in life. A ‘fulfilling life’ is a bullshit marketing term designed to keep you in a constant state of anxiety, spending and earning. You have everything you need right now, this second, to feel the most content as it’s possible for you to ever feel. Start exploring the psychological concept of ‘flow’ as the true source of contentment moving forwar…
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 11:42 PM
1

Grooming, especially excessive grooming is often a compulsive response to stress in animals.
/r/MGTOW26/11/17 10:34 PM
2

Venus mantrap
/r/MGTOW26/11/17 09:56 PM
3

The greatest ally of gynocentrism is not a man’s lust, or a man’s desire for purpose (although they play their parts) but a man’s fear of the abyss.
/r/MGTOW26/11/17 09:51 PM
5

Lots of young guys like you, you know the red pill truth but that isn't enough for you. You want the respect from the blue pill world too. Well you can't have it. They're mutually exclusive. Time to decide.
/r/MGTOW10/11/17 08:26 PM
1

No one is going to beg you to accept MGTOW philosophy. The door is where is always been - I wish you good fortune.
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 10:30 PM
2

True... which is interesting because the OP seems to suggest a method where one takes on the mantle of an identity so as to better overcome an unwanted habit. I am a X, and X don’t do Y, so I won’t do Y. I don’t see MGTOW as an identity rather than a philosophy so the question of MGTOW-friendly identities remains open... I suspect this conversation will lead to a discussion of nihilism. In the past people identified with their vocation, nationality/ethnicity and or religion but today?
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 05:03 PM
3

Genuine question: what are some ‘identities’ a man of the current age can adopt that are of a net benefit but don’t directly or indirectly fall foul of the following? You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis. You are the all singing, all dancing crap of the world.
/r/MGTOW08/11/17 01:22 PM
2

She wants to use a man the way she views herself as having been ‘used’.
/r/MGTOW06/11/17 10:32 PM
6

My thoughts exactly.
/r/MGTOW06/11/17 07:06 PM
6

Between the proposed woman without a brain and an alternative holographic woman with a (pleasing) AI personality which would you prefer?
/r/MGTOW06/11/17 06:55 PM
2

I think it’s a PUA term related to the phrase ‘spinning plates’ - where a performer attempts to keep multiple plates spinning on different rods without them falling and smashing due to not spinning fast enough. Essentially it’s a metaphor for keeping multiple women happy enough to consent to sleep with you.
/r/MGTOW05/11/17 11:10 PM
3

They’re ramping up to simply blame ‘masculinity’ instead of video games - you can see it coming a mile off.
/r/MGTOW05/11/17 10:54 PM
2

New technology allows you to cut something out of one human, cut open another human, stick it in the wound, stich the wound up and claim you’ve defied the law of nature.
/r/MGTOW05/11/17 10:55 AM
3

Meh. You’re just antagonising yourself by visiting their sub. Just leave them to it.
/r/MGTOW05/11/17 10:13 AM
4

An embittered father is not a role model a son would want to emulate. Quite the contrary. Such a father is often surprised when a son doesn’t want to follow in his footsteps. Indeed, society at large seemingly is surprised.
/r/MGTOW04/11/17 09:29 PM
1

The deal is: ‘if you’re prepared to accept anything and everything we’ll allow you to blame/demonise this group.’
/r/MGTOW02/11/17 08:32 AM
1

In real life she’ll just sit their with a giant shit eating grin from knowing she’s cost you your job and possibly freedom.
/r/MGTOW31/10/17 11:29 PM
1

The more sexual partners the more likely the marriage will end in divorce (as she is less able to pair bond). The more sexual partners the more likely she has a STD (which could be passed on to you or your unborn child). Genetic material from every man she’s slept with is potentially part of her now influencing her personality and health (Microchimerism).
/r/MGTOW31/10/17 07:33 AM
9

Betrayed by white knights. Fucking disgusting.
/r/MGTOW30/10/17 10:34 PM
1

When you share red pill truths with the blue pill world what are you hoping to achieve? It’s a non-transferable truth — they will not accept it.
/r/MGTOW30/10/17 12:37 PM
3

The white knighting is painful...
/r/MGTOW29/10/17 11:32 AM
3

The ‘self-improver’ MGTOW may have the loudest voices but there’s plenty of MGTOW monks lurking here.
/r/MGTOW28/10/17 10:41 AM
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Let’s call it like it is though: traditional media is looking for a story, desperate to spin something from nothing, and the easy targets are often one of their own.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/10/17 09:31 AM
4

Some Buddhist monks force themselves to look at corpses in various stages of decomposition to remind themselves what we humans really are. In that vein go watch some graphic videos of women giving birth when you’re feeling horny (and typical methods don’t provide release).
/r/MGTOW26/10/17 11:57 PM
1

I agree. This is reddit, not YouTube. If you want to engage the reddit community you should ‘use’ reddit, that means typing and replying to comments (where appropriate).
/r/MGTOW26/10/17 07:26 AM
7

I read stories like this and think the woman is a vampire whore but simultaneously I don’t see this guy as being any more capable of altruism. I don’t believe in altruism. He was getting into a unspoken contract with the woman, based on honour, and no doubt expect her, a woman, to honour the contract. To not ‘change her mind’. This is foolish - women have no honour. Women change. I see guys like this foolishly trying to game reality, taking about pre-nups, foreign women, religious women. ‘If I s…
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 10:23 PM
1

Thing is, they don’t want to be hot per se, they want commitment (or rather to be offered it). What I’m saying is their judgement of being personally attractive is how many men are offering them commitment as opposed to men’s judgment of being personally attractive being based on being offered sex. What is the disparity between how attractive a woman needs to be for you to accept an invitation to fuck there and then versus accept an invitation to marry there and then?
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 09:46 PM
1

It’s not really for free — if she stopped fucking him he’d (hopefully) stop the gravy train. Put another way if he were spending the money he does on her side of the utilities etc on prostitutes once a month would we have as much of an issue?
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 09:38 PM
1

Why would I bemoan Chad having all the women if my MGTOW philosophy precludes a personal interest in pursuing women?
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 09:35 PM
6

He was wilfully ignorant of the girl’s character so a fool.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 09:14 PM
1

I would be fine with his posts if he prefaced the link with a short paragraph introducing the discussion point of the video and ideally responded to comments here on reddit.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 08:55 PM
6

This doesn’t work as a response — you’ll get some shit about how ‘marriage and family changes a man’ and how you’ll make more money because you’ll have to. If you just say ‘I haven’t found the right one yet’ at worst you’ll get a ‘well, don’t leave it too late...’.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 08:42 PM
2

MGTOW is a personal philosophy and individual solution. MGTOW is not a movement or a political ideology — we do not seek societal or legal change.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 08:32 PM
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What guy spends this amount of money, time and energy on an unrelated 16 year old girl? You cannot buy / negotiate attraction (or a person). If indeed that was what he was doing. I suspect though he was (attempting to buy attraction) as it sounds like they’re together. On the other hand the ‘class’ statement this woman makes is egregious... Ultimately the guy is an idiot/fool and the girl is a vampire. They both lack wisdom.
/r/MGTOW25/10/17 05:57 PM
1

Look up the psychological concept of ‘flow’ - pursue whatever generates this state of mind.
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 09:54 PM
7

This article should be required reading for blue pillers.
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 09:22 PM
1

People in the community have fought to tighten the definition of MGTOW but it has failed for fear of splintering the community. As it is there’s no ideological conflict between a guy being a MGTOW (alt) rightist or a MGTOW leftist. All your examples are just groups of individuals that adhere to the philosophy AND espouse some other belief/ideology simultaneously. To be frank ‘rejection of gender roles’ is not a defining rule of calling yourself MGTOW. You can quote whoever you want at me but see…
/r/MGTOW24/10/17 06:48 AM
2

Fight Club started me on the path before MGTOW ever existed.
/r/MGTOW23/10/17 09:45 PM
1

Good luck
/r/MGTOW23/10/17 09:37 PM
1

There’s a strong correlation between the people creating and perpetuating the ‘gender identity theories’ and the people who work to belittle, attack, undermine and suppress MGTOW philosophy. Furthermore there’s a strong correlation between adherents to MGTOW philosophy and those who hold ‘gender identity theories’ in disdain. MGTOW philosophy doesn’t say anything about ‘machismo’ your contention is, at best, with groups within the community. The question is ‘is the philosophy enough for you or a…
/r/MGTOW23/10/17 06:23 PM
1

So, it begins...
/r/MGTOW22/10/17 12:16 AM
2

Even if she had survived the attack would she have changed her stance, would her family and friends? Somehow I suspect not. I was not; I was; I am not; I do not care
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 11:55 PM
3

Kyle has done his show in the USA.
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 03:30 PM
1

On the contrary, it would be the person who shoved throwing their lives away. Having said that I don't believe most humans can cope with taking another human's life rather it's up to philosophy, religion, and society at large to educate the individual that taking a life should be avoided even if in legal self defence.
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 02:26 PM
1

I think the world would be a better place if people knew laying hands on others might lead to their deaths. It is for philosophy (and I suppose religion...) to inform the person suffering the initial violence to forgive / turn the other cheek.
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 02:16 PM
2

You'll have to be more specific when talking about 'murder' -- legally or ethically? Obviously if that's the law in your country then that's the law. Some people don't share the same ethics as you however. Others take the opinion that if death was an ever present possible outcome of initiating violence such violence would happen far less.
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 01:20 PM
7

How can it be murder if he's the target of unprovoked violence?
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 12:29 PM
12

Shoots anyone who fights him? He carries a gun because as a white male no one will aid him?
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 11:23 AM
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You don’t, specifically you’re suppose to compete with other men and society feeds off of your labour via tax. Societies benefit to men was that mr average gets a better chance of getting a wife and reproducing. The alpha males get better beta male followers (compared to slaves) because said betas have something to lose so work harder and are more easily controlled. Women benefit from security (in marriage and out, especially when old), and provisioning, largely for free; plus more opportunities…
/r/MGTOW21/10/17 11:20 AM
1

The tradcon strategy is to recruit low status males to a belief system that convinces them they are just one step away from contentment if they just follow the tradcon rules. In doing tradcons secure the safety of their wives and children from the real or imagined predations of rogue males.
/r/MGTOW15/10/17 10:25 PM
7

I think on some level, some (blue pill) men know this but get an ego trip out of ‘converting’ a woman to pay lip service to their ideals.
/r/MGTOW15/10/17 09:39 PM
3

So many guys commenting here, despite making good points, are just acting in the way women were hoping when they made this graphic. Just let women get on with it. What do we MGTOW care happens to ‘men’ as a demographic? The blue pill domain is not our concern. Women became a social force because men allowed it, men profited from abetting it, and ultimately men are using it to destroy other men they see as potential threats to their position.
/r/MGTOW15/10/17 09:34 PM
5

Always agree and amplify. “So you’re lazy.” “Lazy and loving life.” shit eating grin
/r/MGTOW15/10/17 03:24 PM
28

All the white knights sicken me.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/10/17 03:13 PM
12

I don’t recommend trying to ‘save’ other men. Blue pillers cannot be told about MGTOW, it’s a non-transferable truth as Stardusk says, guys have to come to it themselves in their own time.
/r/MGTOW14/10/17 10:45 PM
2

The only method of governing that really ‘works’ is tribal villages with elders that vote and importantly live among the people they represent. Of course that way of living was mothballed as, among many other things, it leaves open the (ever growing) possibility of inter-tribal conflict. The more people are dissimilar the more absolute democracy, and democracy in general, fail due to differing interests. People end up voting on radically different proposals rather than nuances that progressively…
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 03:43 PM
2

Young guys are always trying to convince others of their red pill wisdom because they’re stuck with the dissonance of knowing the truth but not also getting the kudos from their social circle / family for speaking it. Just agree and amplify in a unanticipated direction. You know the red pill truth you don’t need to convince anyone of it or even mention it. “You need a girlfriend” “I’ll let you order me one from Thailand or maybe Russia, I’ve heard good things about Russian women.” And so on...
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 09:51 AM
2

I think his point is it’d be short lived as the great unwashed masses wouldn’t be able to cope and would create civil unrest leading inextricably to the devolution of the political system into a more primitive form.
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 09:46 AM
1

There will be no ‘renaissance’... Homo homini lupus est You have more red pills to swallow.
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 09:38 AM
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Nothing will happen except a slow decline as now. The older singles market will grow and be catered to. That’s it. In the UK they’re already soft-banning all porn. You may see marriage incentivised through reduced tax (reverse bachelor tax), and men penalised using indirect methods (like paying disproportionately for government schemes they use the least). They’re hamstrung by their own gender discrimination laws to target men directly.
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 08:18 AM
1

MGTOW isn’t out there actively campaigning to grow its ranks. If a guy finds his way to a MGTOW online community he already has his doubts (about marriage). If he goes ahead with marriage anyway, despite what MGTOW knowledge he has, on his head be it. Just to be clear there is no MGTOW ‘final solution’ where all men in the country/hemisphere go MGTOW. It’s a philosophy for the individual not societies.
/r/MGTOW09/10/17 07:58 AM
3

Even if I couldn’t personally partake due to extreme old age I’d really like to see the repercussions for women/society once such tech is available, Sure physical bodies would be nice but many guys would choose that hologram over a biological woman, or a (no doubt extremely expensive) android.
/r/MGTOW08/10/17 09:35 PM
2

There’s no question mark next to ‘WHY’ inadvertently implying the ‘why’, as in ‘the reason why’, is clearly evident.
/r/MGTOW07/10/17 05:47 PM
2

It’s the same argument that many, even some MGTOW, take towards determinism and freewill, a grudging admittance of the truth but an abject refusal to live in a world that acknowledges it openly.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 06:00 PM
1

The ancients knew the importance of sacrifice, that blood always had to be paid one way or another.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 05:56 PM
2

MGTOW is, as Stardusk describes in a recent video, a non-transferable truth, a truth many cannot, will not, accept.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 05:47 PM
1

It’s what tradcons do - they need ‘lesser’ men to buy into the rules of the tradcon society without actually benefiting from it. Example: a tradcon wants his wife and children to be able to go on outings to the shops or school without fear of being victims of criminality (of other men). The tradcon needs men lower in the hierarchy to not only not be the criminals rather be prepared to defend his women and children at expense of their own lives. Our entire civilisation has been built on this stra…
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 05:38 PM
1

Great post, thanks for taking the time.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 05:12 PM
1

MGTOW is a philosophy for the individual, this is not a movement or an identity, there’s no societal objectives. While, from a certain perspective, your desire to improve/defend civilisation is a credit to you, it has been leveraged against you, much like your instinct to reproduce. The best thing to do now is just keep what you’re doing, keep reading, asking questions, you’re on a well worn path.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 04:57 PM
1

I agree. Their response would be to wheel out those debunked studies about married men living longer and being healthier.
/r/MGTOW06/10/17 01:53 PM
3

It’s a shame this is not more highly up voted. Barbarossa’s channel should be at the top of any MGTOW’s watch list.
/r/MGTOW04/10/17 09:45 PM
6

I too thought this inclusion was odd.
/r/MGTOW04/10/17 09:30 PM
4

In response IDS will start quoting those debunked studies where they lump unmarried men in with divorced men and claim married men live longer...
/r/MGTOW04/10/17 09:21 PM
5

In other words: Reverse bachelor tax. Marry those sluts. Men are to blame. Ask yourself who is the audience for this message?
/r/MGTOW04/10/17 03:53 PM
1

I think your 'friend' has made a case for (himself) moving to somewhere he can enjoy 'Asian Privilege'.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:35 PM
1

I was expecting either (a) an ATM, (b) an open grave / crematorium, (c) a jail cell -- well played.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:26 PM
1

The unicorn is the name for that tiny exception to the rule you're forced to acknowledge might exist because you cannot prove it doesn't.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:22 PM
1

You've been lied to two times - once by society, second by your biology. Women and relationships cannot provide you lasting satisfaction, fulfilment or motivation. I don't have the answer as to what will. At best I advise you look into the philosopher Epicurus.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:08 PM
1

No (UK).
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 04:58 PM
1

They put stuff like this in because they want the ego trip of still getting messages even though they've said something horrific.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:34 AM
2

I cannot think of an age of the world where a man was better able to be MGTOW than the present despite all it's detractors.
/r/MGTOW24/09/17 09:10 AM
2

It's nukes. With nukes, mutually assured destruction, you don't need men to be willing to defend their country as soldiers. That means you don't need men. You just need consumers. The best consumers are women.
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 10:14 PM
3

All this emotion is misplaced mating instincts. Her (broken) family isn't your family -- your thirsty, wilfully-naive, instincts fucked you over. You broke the rule - no single mothers. Ever. 'Oh but she's hot and feminine and kind...!' Fuck off. That's what you say to all the Disney-puke emotions swimming around in your head - fuck off. Take your oxytocin-high withdrawal symptoms and picture them for what they really are -- the product of millions of years of evolution where the animals that di…
/r/MGTOW13/09/17 09:40 PM
2

The future is always male >warlords< . Male solidarity is a pipe dream. For all the shit caused by women, hypergamy and feminism the balance of the world has only recently started to take a comparative nose dive in terms of being relatively inhospitable to male bachelors (from an otherwise short lived high point). It's other men that when the shit hits the fan serve as the great existential threat (whether a woman is standing behind them or not). You're alone. There is no 'men'.
/r/MGTOW06/09/17 04:25 PM
5

While funny and all there's an important idea I don't think most men understand: most/many women think they are above average attractiveness; when these women expect/demand above equal consideration it's only partly because they are female rather it's because they are (apparently) an 'above average attractive' female; equality then is for average looking women in the mind of most women whereas their above average attractiveness should (in their mind) warrant above equal behaviour.
/r/MGTOW06/09/17 11:32 AM
2

Does that mean that you now understand and agree there's been an misinterpretation of the comment? (I think that the use of 'blow job' is just a replacable place holder for any hypothetical act said woman wouldn't be 100% averse too.)
/r/PussyPassDenied03/09/17 07:29 PM
2

Are you still misinterpreting it? It depends on the guy (I.e. How attractive he is [in the girl's opinion]) as to whether the girl (decides) to give him a blow job.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/09/17 06:06 PM
1

You do realise I wasn't the original commenter of that quote don't you? As far as I'm concerned, when I read that quote, the person meant that 'it depends on the guy (I.e. How attractive he is) as to whether the girl gives him a blow job. I'm proposing you and your fellows have misinterpreted the originator of that quote.
/r/PussyPassDenied03/09/17 04:48 PM
1

Not what I said? What are you saying I said exactly?
/r/PussyPassDenied03/09/17 04:31 PM
7

"One is rich not through one's possessions, but through that which can with dignity do without." Epicurus
/r/MGTOW03/09/17 03:28 PM
2

To these guys the ends justify the means. If you never want to be a victim then you must interpret all possible factors as being in your control. To a certain extent though there's a greater truth -- being victimised is bad for one's self esteem, and a low self esteem means increased likelihood of death for male animals. Essentially it's a strategy to deal with male mother need -- no one cares about the fate of individual men. You're on your own. You must maintain a sense of winning/power at all…
/r/MGTOW03/09/17 12:37 PM
1

Further down the rabbit hole you realise the same applies to men and friendshits.
/r/MGTOW03/09/17 08:47 AM
1

All this boils down to is the desire to highlight female nature to ignorant males indoctrinated with Disney lies. If you take a step back though you realise it's actually about the distress caused to oneself knowing we live in a world where the media / women scream 'white is black' unchallenged. Taking an even further step back you realise you'll be dead before the pressure from the media/women to state black is white is unbearable and besides it will never convince you. One step further back no…
/r/MGTOW03/09/17 07:15 AM
1

What that a person will do more sexually intimate acts with a person they find more attractive? No?
/r/PussyPassDenied03/09/17 06:37 AM
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Why has this been so badly down voted? Isn't it an obviously true statement?
/r/PussyPassDenied02/09/17 10:20 PM
4

The hate of others is the price you pay for rejecting what they value.
/r/MGTOW28/08/17 09:55 PM
2

Thank fuck someone else recognises this!
/r/MGTOW28/08/17 09:50 PM
2

The origins of what men find attractive in a woman are just as ancient as the qualities women find attractive in men. All that has happened is the environment changed and women are misled (arguably) by their out of their evolutionary derived mate preferences. Men haven't 'evolved' past women in our preferences unless you classify being able to abstain from the mating game for reasons of wisdom. Even then that's an individuals choice not 'men' collectively. I respect your quote I just don't think…
/r/MGTOW28/08/17 04:44 PM
6

We didn't, the environment just changed.
/r/MGTOW28/08/17 11:14 AM
1

I think YouTube already does this in a lesser form. Friendshits are just another type of relationshit so over time I've been suspicious that YouTube videos act as a proxy for being in a social environment except you can mute, pause, and end discussion in an instant while being able to listen while you're doing chores etc. In some instances you can listen to certain content creators for years despite never actually meeting them.
/r/MGTOW27/08/17 09:56 AM
3

I insist on email for this exact reason. Unfortunately some will refuse (especially influential individuals) and play a game of chicken with you where you risk 'taking the blame' because you were asked verbally. A tactic to overcome this is summarise the conversation for them in an email you send to them asking them to confirm. It's harder for them to defend if you can say 'I emailed them to confirm and they never replied'.
/r/MGTOW17/08/17 05:28 PM
3

Wrong comparison. You should instead ask 'is being MGTOW or MRA strong enough to transcend the male dominance instinct? The answer is 'no'. It's male vs male. If you share the same ethnicity you are not immune from your fellow males, hell brothers have been killing brothers since the dawn of our species. There is no solidarity among males. MGTOW isn't a group or identity, the 'community' is a red herring, lots of guys think they've found the 'family' / 'brotherhood' that'll give them the strengt…
/r/MGTOW13/08/17 10:19 PM
3

Women don't believe you/they can know something will happen for certain until it happens. Even when it happens that's (apparently) no evidence that it will happen again because... reasons. Magical thinking.
/r/MGTOW06/08/17 06:56 PM
1

It's in their interests to test what you'll allow them to get away with repeatedly and often.
/r/MGTOW06/08/17 05:57 PM
1

I do t think so -- they replace children with animals and or immigrants.
/r/MGTOW02/08/17 12:00 PM
1

Don't you worry you're a slave of Maslow's hierarchy of needs? You've got your basic needs met now you're miserable about not achieving social acceptability or becoming an 'expert', one step closer to 'actualising', another first world problem faced before noticing the pain of the next... I just see it as shit, worrying about 'missing out', worrying about others gleefully thinking they're better than me. At the end of the day we're just ash on the wind and our lives are about coming to terms wit…
/r/MGTOW26/07/17 10:16 PM
1

I don't see women changing either... ... fortunately I don't give a fuck whether they do or don't.
/r/MGTOW26/07/17 10:02 PM
1

MGTOW philosophy only promises to minimise unnecessary suffering - it doesn't promise 'happiness'. Maybe you're one of the kids that needs to put their hand in the flame to know it's hot? There's no shame in desiring first hand experience. The shame would come into play if you denied you weren't warned of the dangers. No one will or can prove anything to you beyond what is already highlighted in MGTOW content.
/r/MGTOW26/07/17 09:53 PM
1

Insert reference to the scene in the Matrix where Cypher asking to be inserted back into the matrix because 'ignorance is bliss'. You feel grief at the loss of something that never truly existed - how about learning who you truly are without that belief? But wait, you're worried about reducing motivation, you're concerned your peers are now advantaged over you thanks to their false beliefs providing motivation, there's a real threat that you'll be seen as 'dropping out' and end up facing critici…
/r/MGTOW23/07/17 10:10 PM
2

What all of Barbarossa's videos. Look into what he refers to as 'male mother need'. Any female company you'll acquire, if you try to get 'companionship' from them, will see it as a weakness and (potentially) use it against you if and when it suits her to do so. You have a long road ahead of you but essentially it's about recognising you're completely alone as a human being yet no longer feeling 'the pain' of feeling you're missing out on being 'loved' by a female companion as such a feeling is a…
/r/MGTOW23/07/17 09:28 PM
2

It was a rhetorical device - I was commenting towards the black guy in the article.
/r/MGTOW21/07/17 05:53 PM
2

Which is it cuck? Scared of dying alone? Worried you won't do any better? Zero dignity.
/r/MGTOW21/07/17 05:17 AM
2

No one gives a fuck about you bitch, welcome to the real world.
/r/MGTOW19/07/17 07:38 AM
2

A friendshit is just another type or relationshit.
/r/MGTOW17/07/17 07:20 PM
2

Sometimes there's a peace in enjoying doing nothing in particular.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 11:41 PM
2

The guy from the story would likely be the sort of guy that would be scornful of MGTOW philosophy.
/r/MGTOW14/07/17 04:22 PM
1

No violence = relying on voting = failure. Women leveraged the fact that society cares about them, cares about their whining, cares that they're denying their husband sex, cares that they throw themselves in front of horses. Male solidarity doesn't exist (never has done outside small groups), if men kill themselves society laughs, immigrants are imported by the boat load, men high in the hierarchy start looking at ways to monetise all the blood and organs going spare. Nothing male is sacred - yo…
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 05:15 PM
3

No, it died decades ago, you're living in a corpse, your ancestors killed it and repeatedly sold out your life to ease their own. These days you couldn't sell your life for a high enough price to achieve anything.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 05:02 PM
1

I agree with you, and I'd be more specific - most heterosexual men would vote against it. Most of the wretched masses aren't prepared to do what it takes.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:43 PM
2

Women will vote against that so you're suggesting an illegal armed uprising which will be put down ruthlessly by the police and army. I'm not dying in the first wave of cannon fodder against automatic weapons of government stooges so other men can fuck their reformed-slut wives. Every past generation has gone into debt, giving women the vote, removing no fault divorce, martial rape laws etc and kicked the can of paying the piper down the road and you think im paying for the sins of our fathers? …
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 10:02 AM
1

Society is already dead, it was killed by the decisions of men in prior generations, removing male authority over their wife and children. You're in mourning for it, you fear the feeling of powerlessness as you watch it burn.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 09:53 AM
1

MGTOW is a personal solution to a personal problem. If you want to save civilisation all you need to do is restore male authority. Almost all men would vote to restore male authority but women would vote against it.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 09:43 AM
2

You obviously have some sort of pre-existing axe to grind. You're seeing what confirms your existing thinking. A fight club isn't about glorifying head trauma -- brain damage isn't being put forward as manly. The group members were horrified when the narrator didn't stop beating angel face when he went limp. As I said before, the violence was a risk in order to teach a lesson. Just as an ancestors risked hunting mammoths to get meat. They progressed on from Fight Club to Project Mayhem once it h…
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 11:34 PM
4

So does drinking alcohol, drugs, and many other things... It's a calculated risk, without sacrifice we would have nothing, he's not out to destroy you he's trying to set you free. The goal of Fight Club wasn't manliness, any more than blowing up the credit card companies was -- it was freedom. Most guys that attended Fight Club on any particular night didn't get to fight because there wasn't enough time -- that doesn't mean they didn't get anything out of it.
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 07:13 PM
3

The protagonist needed to learn truths from Tyler, internalise those truths, and then ultimately overcome the need to see Tyler as a separate entity.
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 07:04 PM
8

Boxing each other until knockout is not manly at all it is just stupid. You're misrepresenting the truth of it. 3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over. Fighting was an act of self destruction, it wasn't about winning, it was about letting go of being perfect, it was about letting go of being civilised, it was about self knowledge.
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 06:58 PM
1

Of course it is. What else is it going to be? Evolutionary drives are powerful and will cause emotional/psychic pain to man if he's not 'succeeding' in the dominance hierarchy. All the men who didn't feel such pain went on to have less/no children.
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 09:22 PM
1

If he accepts the negatives (and doesn't complain) why should he? Not everyone wants to be a 'self-improvement mgtow'.
/r/MGTOW04/07/17 03:59 PM
1

As long as I'm not paying for it I don't care how many fat people / drug addicts / mentally unhealthy / gamblers etc there are.
/r/MGTOW04/07/17 03:56 PM
3

Why? She knows there's billions of other men on the planet who will.
/r/MGTOW03/07/17 06:48 PM
4

Never, ever interact with strange children. Ever. Even if you are chastised later on for not protecting a child, and you showed the authorities/onlookers this article, they would simply say: 'so you put your wellbeing first over a child's?'. There is no winning what so ever.
/r/MGTOW03/07/17 02:34 PM
13

You failed to entertain her. You failed to offer her something that would make-up for the fact that you failed to entertain her. /s
/r/MGTOW03/07/17 12:04 PM
7

Dance for me monkey! It's your job (apparently) to protect women from the two existential threats: death and boredom.
/r/MGTOW03/07/17 07:22 AM
2

No beta orbiters to offer to install windows for her?
/r/MGTOW27/06/17 07:08 PM
2

They said all they had to say. Your on your own now, in fact you always were, the last step is to be okay with that.
/r/MGTOW26/06/17 06:57 PM
2

'Proud'? Should we be organising a parade? /s Just live your life mate, look into stoicism, leave this self-congratulatory bs to the dead people.
/r/MGTOW26/06/17 06:50 PM
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Bullshit, that's genetic plus ageing not resultant of the absence of bras...
/r/MGTOW25/06/17 04:59 PM
0

From what I read bras don't actually appreciably prevent that. All I can discern is it hides the nipples of women which other women take particular exception to seeing the hint thereof under clothes.
/r/MGTOW25/06/17 04:31 PM
0

Frankly I don't understand the purpose of a bra. Bras just seem like more bullshit stuff to get women to buy mindlessly.
/r/MGTOW25/06/17 01:06 PM
1

You're alone.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 10:14 AM
6

That poor kid...
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 09:59 AM
1

You need to pursue ever more boldly minimalism in both your possessions and relationshits. Discussing romanticism of friendshits verges towards a taboo in MGTOW for a few reasons: the desire to promote non-existent 'male solidarity', male friendshits as an alternative to female companionshit (male mother need), fear of nihilism.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 09:55 AM
2

Men instinctively seek to maintain 'hard times' in order to indirectly neutralise the threat posed by immediate male competitors.
/r/MGTOW23/06/17 06:50 PM
1

A majority of men would admit to their partner that if they stopped having sex with them they would consider ending the relationship.
/r/MGTOW23/06/17 06:38 PM
1

Men do not say 'it's not about the sex'.
/r/MGTOW23/06/17 04:20 PM
2

A friendshit is just a different type of relationshit.
/r/MGTOW23/06/17 04:15 PM
3

You can do that stuff with friends and family without all the inherent risks involved with interacting with a woman.
/r/MGTOW18/06/17 02:27 PM
2

A woman wouldn't have given the explanation after stinging rather just looked at him with resentment and disappointment that he had to ask.
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 09:42 PM
7

Don't ask that, ask yourself what each group wants from you, and what's its offering in exchange?
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 09:01 PM
4

For women, a man with a degree is less about intelligence than it is social status. If a woman has a tradesman husband her friends have the opportunity to feel superior to her. It's all about comparing what her vagina will buy her in comparison to what her friends' vaginas will buy them. Humans crave methods to prove they're superior to other humans.
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 12:16 PM
3

The women who condemn this behaviour truly believe what they're saying, they'd pass polygraph tests, however months later they'd be committing the same acts.
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 10:00 AM
9

You can do anything you want as long as men don't end up having to pay for it (or you).
/r/MGTOW09/06/17 05:04 PM
15

I'm from the UK. Sure brexit was a fleeting cause to hope but honestly that's it, the nation died years ago, it's just taking generations to realise it's dead. Same reasons as other western countries...
/r/MGTOW09/06/17 04:45 PM
3

I think the topic is more about the double standards of women and society.
/r/MGTOW05/06/17 09:43 PM
1

I don't care what they do as long as I'm not paying for it.
/r/MGTOW05/06/17 09:39 PM
1

Articles like this never state how many unwanted pregnancies, and STDs were otherwise avoided thanks to porn use.
/r/MGTOW04/06/17 05:22 PM
2

I appreciate your candidness with this post. It seems reasonable: your unconscious doesn't want to mate with a woman who's goals and ambitions are so at odds with your own.
/r/MGTOW04/06/17 05:15 PM
3

People want to win and lose on their own terms - don't offer unsolicited advice. Of course there are those that will try to blame you afterwards - 'you didn't warn me' - this is when you walk away and burn bridges.
/r/MGTOW03/06/17 12:27 PM
1

I'd prefer all women be upfront like this... ...having said that your scenario wasn't the right time and place.
/r/MGTOW02/06/17 12:01 PM
6

But, but, the deodorant commercial people said it was...! /s
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 01:10 PM
5

If you want to be a man going his own way, you don't need anything else but yourself to agree with you. Many guys here still don't really get this, they still want to be 'recognised' by society. I see it all the time with angry frustrated guys trying to spread MGTOW philosophy IRL -- they want to convince others, to 'prove' they are right to friends/families/colleagues.
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 01:09 PM
9

Understandable however you risk giving them props for not doing something negative rather than for actually doing something positive.
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 01:05 PM
8

Yeah, frankly this is not about targeting, to use their vernacular, 'straight CIS males'. It's about targeting alternative lifestyle men with just enough plausible deniability that they could deny as such when challenged.
/r/MGTOW29/05/17 01:04 PM
2

Nothing? They ignore us because 'the message' isn't meant for us.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 07:25 PM
1

My impulse is to take issue with you saying 'not being cuckolded doesn't really benefit men' however I understand that you're referring to the laughable idea that passing on one's genes is 'meaningful'. The fact remains however that a cuckolded man is being deceived into spending resources (on a child) that he could be spending on himself.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 05:48 PM
2

Height is easier to assess than say wealth. If other criteria were so easy then I would expect to similar exclusionary criteria.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 04:22 PM
2

Part of the reason I no longer feel angry is that I no longer desire society / friends / family / anyone to agree with me (and in doing vindicate me) - there's no frustration in having anything denied. They're all on their own, like me.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 02:44 PM
16

If you think that's bad this will send you over the edge: the Dr Petersons of the world are happy only to convince the low intelligence men of their 'man-up' philosophy -- they ignore the guys like us who know what's going on. In all aspects of life men try to definitively defeat the most immediate threat to their dominance - the ambitious men immediately below them in the social hierarchy - by allying with (misleading) the men 2 steps below them. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. There is a d…
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 02:20 PM
4

This is easy to answer: other women, 'friends', who are dating taller men attempt to 'get one over' their friends by comparing their men in a indirect passive manner. It's essentially a pissing contest / competition -- ' I am so desirable I can get a bf that is taller / richer / better looking / more educated / more famous than yours than any bf you can get.'
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 01:51 PM
3

Not being cuckolded benefits men. Not being thrown to a curb once old/unattractive benefits women. Monogamy is one of those principles that isn't 'natural' in the sense it goes against lizard brain instinct but does provide long term gain (as described above). How does what you propose deal with the top two points? Women can make their own money today? The law makes men legally responsible for any child birthed by his wife during the marriage? Sounds like a rough deal for men. It doesn't sound l…
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 12:23 PM
1

All friends are 'like that' in the same way all women are.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:35 AM
6

Sooner or later it will be considered rape if you don't tell the woman you've had a vasectomy.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 10:21 AM
4

Incidentally, you already have to pay mandatory 'child support' for women you don't even know in your general taxation.
/r/MGTOW28/05/17 08:28 AM
4

I cannot upvote this enough - never repeat red pill philosophy in real life, especially not at work. Allow people to assume think you're blue pill and do not correct them.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 09:14 PM
4

You don't find the rewards of dieting/working out compelling enough.
/r/MGTOW14/05/17 12:06 PM
1

I listened to it and putting aside her condescending tone I felt her message was reasonable: as your boss I don't want you working anything other than the hours we have agreed no matter the circumstances. Of course it's this sort of inflexible absolutism that hinders the running of a business in the real world however I don't think this guy should be fighting that fight in this circumstance. If she contradicts herself by expecting him to know when to break her unbreakable rules in the future the…
/r/MGTOW13/05/17 10:34 AM
1

He's on twitter: https://twitter.com/barbarossaaaa
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 06:56 PM
2

Finite land cannot support an infinitely expanding population.
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 10:55 AM
13

Thanks for posting this -- interesting follow-up by Peterson stating he shouldn't have called MGTOW 'pathetic weasels'. At the end of the day his arguments are nothing new: mgtow are men turning potential 'winner males' into 'loser males', men should sacrifice for society (and expect nothing in return), and men should pursue women (or die trying) but noteworthy because of his overlapping relevance to areas some MGTOW are interested in. Interesting him equating sexual desirability of men (to wome…
/r/MGTOW06/05/17 10:40 AM
22

“How would you feel about your ex boyfriend getting a robot that looked exactly like you, just in order to beat it up every night?” 'beat it up'? This person has a deranged and warped idea of men, of humans even. Indeed, men with money enough to pay $15k wouldn't be requesting the appearance of their former 'this-is-what-a-real-woman-looks-like' gf rather someone altogether more attractive. In fact the entire article has some unbelievable statements: "There's also a real worry that people will a…
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 04:19 PM
3

So, nofap + metaphors?
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 04:04 PM
3

I'm going to be really interested to see if they do a 'How To Be A Woman' video -- they'd be risking their channel's very existence.
/r/MGTOW01/05/17 03:52 PM
1

I think it's more interesting to consider this coefficient alongside Calhoun's mouse Eutopia. As Peterson implied there are thresholds between 'loser' males becoming violent -- some males will and some males won't at any particular level of stress. What I'm implying is there must be another coefficient that is harder to record than violence about 'male societal disengagement' that otherwise foreshadows violence. I think the philosophical ideals of MGTOW preclude violence except at high(er) level…
/r/MGTOW29/04/17 05:00 PM
2

Don't talk about the red pill / MGTOW philosophy to others irl. If they are open to it they'll find it themselves in their own time.
/r/MGTOW28/04/17 09:20 PM
1

Because men can't stop them.
/r/MGTOW28/04/17 04:35 PM
1

What's in it for me?
/r/MGTOW23/04/17 09:40 AM
2

Stop wearing makeup and dying you hair while your at it too. Women could wear sack cloth, never wash, or shave -- thirsty men will pursue them either way. Women do all this shit in competition with other women.
/r/MGTOW22/04/17 10:07 PM
9

MGTOW isn't a movement, it's a philosophy. Individual men will find MGTOW when they're ready. Be careful of the temptation to use the community to meet your male-mother-need, rather refocus on the philosophy and yourself.
/r/MGTOW22/04/17 05:51 PM
4

How do I stop caring about people's perceptions? Your new maxim in life should be 'what's in it for me?' All subsequent change in your character will organically flow from attempting to honestly answer this question in every scenario where someone else interacts with you. Is someone giving you unsolicited advice? What's in it for you to stay and listen? Nothing. Immediately excuse yourself politely. You must be prepared to walk away. Better to be alone than in the company of those that would bel…
/r/MGTOW16/04/17 10:02 PM
5

That's one perspective, another is their parents sold them out for cheap credit and government largess. What's your opinion on the MGTOW conflict I highlighted?
/r/MGTOW11/04/17 10:12 AM
1

Not really an argument is it? I post on many subs.
/r/MGTOW11/04/17 10:01 AM
5

red pill self improvement vs. blue pill 'scale the male dominance hierarchy' rat race red pill asceticism / 'off the grid' living vs. blue pill 'slave mentality' Two legitimate philosophies for MGTOWs, each with their benefits and pitfalls. Men, even MGTOW, chafe against the mutual exclusive nature of these two philosophies and create constant strife in the community because there's no way to reconcile the outlooks other than to say 'each to their own'. Wont someone think of the children young M…
/r/MGTOW11/04/17 09:50 AM
7

Another perspective: women and society 'win' by hiding the true nature of females -- I'm glad this story has been reported.
/r/MGTOW02/04/17 09:28 PM
1

You need to be careful. You need to be careful to ensure that it is MGTOW philosophy from which you draw strength and not this (or any other) MGTOW 'community'. Too many men here become too dependent on the community to sate their male-mother-need and resultantly it leaves them even more vulnerable.
/r/MGTOW28/03/17 09:47 PM
3

A man once came to see the Buddha to get help with his problems. After the man had told the Buddha one of his problems and asked for help, the Buddha replied: “I cannot help you get rid of that problem.” The man was surprised that the Buddha could not help him in this regard, but he told the Buddha about another problem; he thought to himself that the Buddha should at least be able to help him with that problem. But the Buddha told him “I cannot help you with that problem either.” The man starte…
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 11:51 PM
2

Look at all those people who value feels over truth. Wretched.
/r/MGTOW22/03/17 10:48 PM
1

You're missing a long running philosophical disagreement between two (legitimate) groups within MGTOW. Obviously the philosophical group is more 'philosophical' about the disagreement and so you don't hear as much from them versus the 'self improvement MGTOW'.
/r/MGTOW21/03/17 08:32 AM
5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 03:36 PM
7

Like MGTOW philosophy itself one has to come to see the wisdom in these precepts in their own time without coercion.
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 03:35 PM
1

I don't disagree.
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 03:28 PM
2

Queue the eternal battle between 'self improvement MGTOW' and 'philosopher MGTOW'.
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 02:53 PM
10

If someone could be killed and in doing so end the situation I bet some man/men would but there isn't, it's like warlords in Africa, there's always 20 others waiting in the wings, twice as bad. The real answer is though that men use terrible environments / scenarios to kill off their competition -- other males. It's counter intuitive but many men will take the stance that they'll only act once they are personally at threat, indeed they'd prefer to benefit from the hell they find themselves in by…
/r/MGTOW11/03/17 06:33 PM
1

I'm all for reducing taxable revenue but we're only really arguing about degrees of cuckold. My point really is we are tempted to think that the 'pro male' stance is to side with men in cases such as described by the OP but in reality men lose either way.
/r/MGTOW07/03/17 07:46 PM
2

By 'the government' you mean you and I the tax payer. Of course men pay the most tax so essentially we're talking men being forced at threat of violence to pay for another man's child. Of course even if 'the government' refuses to pay that means the woman's male relatives have to pay or face having to watch their relative and child die in the gutter. Either way, men have to pay for another man's child. It's essentially the definition of 'cuckold'. Until we men can as a group develop the rational…
/r/MGTOW07/03/17 05:51 PM
1

MGTOW isn't a movement - there are no collective goals being worked towards - just individual men not marrying, pursuing their own interests.
/r/MGTOW03/03/17 06:15 PM
3

The episode on 'love' was virtually red pill.
/r/MGTOW13/02/17 07:50 PM
1

Nope.
/r/MGTOW08/02/17 11:52 PM
1

Does Josie charged with sexual assault because Jake couldn't consent?
/r/MGTOW12/01/17 11:20 PM
2

Sure, but 'people who hate you' isn't one of them
/r/MGTOW31/12/16 09:33 PM
3

MGTOW represents a group of men with knowledge, freedom and nothing to lose. We have our freedom and lives to lose. No one here will be sacrificing to save the lives of those who hate us. If the alt-right wants an uprising then married fathers can do it.
/r/MGTOW31/12/16 09:11 PM
1

Like the King Charles spaniels who suffer from Alzheimer's because their skulls are two small for their brains. The continuing existence of these dog breeds is a damning inditement of humanity. The animals should be sterilised and individuals euthanised if their quality of life is deemed too low. To breed a creature to be so prone to suffering is truly wretched.
/r/MGTOW22/12/16 10:29 PM
15

When demand goes down so will prices - not before.
/r/MGTOW18/09/16 06:59 PM
5

Living on your own is a luxury - would you prefer to live with family (for free or cheap) or with strangers (for a premium)?
/r/MGTOW10/09/16 09:06 PM
1

I admit I can't find the reference today which I was reading only yesterday. Until I can find evidence everyone should treat my comment as unverified.
/r/MGTOW30/08/16 05:08 PM
4

Women can do that now in the UK - they can add any man's name to a birth certificate and the child support agency then goes to him for payment. The man is assumed the father and it is up to him to pay for a paternity test to prove otherwise. [Pending verification]
/r/MGTOW29/08/16 11:39 PM
2

Everything you're feeling now will pass. Even if you did nothing to resolve this feeling it will eventually leave you. You're in a process of mentally regearing, it's going to take some time, you don't need to take any special action. Keep yourself on an even keel and don't bother worrying about the desperate death cries of various internalised voices shouting 'man up' or 'stop being beta', they aren't part of you and they are fading. Everything you're feeling now will pass.
/r/MGTOW14/08/16 11:04 PM
1

Thanks for sharing.
/r/MGTOW20/07/16 09:49 PM
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While much of the explanation of this behaviour is modern female hypocrisy it has more to do with the individual woman's conviction that she's more attractive compared to the average woman and hence deserves more than equal treatment (by men) in recognition of that fact. Essentially it's a game (if not a gamble) played by individual women in competition with their female peers about who is attractive enough to get away with making outrageous (non-equal) demands on men. This is a gamble because (…
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 12:24 PM
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Is it not a false equivalency to suggest people's criticisms of this woman is advocacy for reverse bachelor taxes etc? Could not the critical people present here be against any form of maternity leave whether the person is pregnant or otherwise? It seems reasonable that others here would remark in wonder at the original woman's implied stance that experiencing 6-12 months pregnant holds the same potential for envious leisure time as the same period off work while not-pregnant.
/r/MGTOW29/04/16 07:17 PM
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shrugs As a MGTOW I do not identify with your advocacy for reverse bachelor taxes and assertions that MGTOW as single people owe money/time/labour to other men's and women's children. This positions remind me of the beliefs of a nationalist or communist. Out of all the labels you could feel honest applying to yourself are you MGTOW first and foremost or... something else?
/r/MGTOW29/04/16 06:57 PM
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Out of interest do you consider yourself a MGTOW?
/r/MGTOW29/04/16 05:11 PM
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I've paraphrased and condensed the video's points: ● It's the fault of feminists [not female nature]. ● When men express opinions like 'let the world burn' and 'im not going to save women' they don't accept that by doing so they may also suffer/die. ● men who refuse to protect women are doing so because they are psychologically and or physically unequipped to to succeed in such an endeavour. [The implication being that any sentiment (expressed by men) relating to purposefully not protecting wome…
/r/MGTOW16/04/16 07:53 PM
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It is long, I've paraphrased it in an attempt to help.
/r/MGTOW13/04/16 08:06 PM
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The author of the article knows why men aren't present at those events she's just feigning uncertainty for the sake of the article and it's audience.
/r/MGTOW04/04/16 07:05 PM
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...it’s incredibly crucial not to allow the movement to pigeon-hole men into believing that it stands for only looking out for the best interests of themselves. That's exactly what it means. You're on your own.
/r/MGTOW01/04/16 02:46 PM
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'But, but, but if these MGTOW let the world burn who will pay taxes to support my children?' Why is it so hard for people to understand? For society to work every contributing participant must stand to benefit and stand to loose. If you have a societal group that's a net contributor who no longer stands to gain by cooperating then society is in trouble. It's so easy and so obvious.
/r/MGTOW11/03/16 08:11 PM
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Feminists don't fight nor care about these matters, so why lie that feminism is for both women and men? When they say men are they including straight, white, 'cis' men?
/r/MGTOW08/02/16 07:58 PM
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The video finished at the marriage and failed to cover the horrors of the divorce.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 09:00 PM
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I propose competitiveness drops more due to a reduction of male peers in one's immediate mental vicinity rather than females. Proving yourself to other men is evolutionary more important to your immediate survival than proving yourself to women. Think male hierarchies and the hunting parties of our neolithic ancestors.
/r/MGTOW01/02/16 08:03 PM
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There were three main misunderstandings by the white nationalists (WNs) I noticed during the recent happenings: • MGTOW aren't marriage striking in the hopes of forcing society into giving into some (non-existent) set of demands. • MGTOW is a philosophy for the individual and does not attempt to fix modern western society. • whatever happens in the future, white ethnicities will not be dying out in the life time of any MGTOW here. In theory a MGTOW could be a WN but likely (but not necessarily e…
/r/MGTOW31/01/16 11:07 AM
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Game theory, or more specifically the iterated prisoner dilemma, explains what is happening near perfectly. For a long, long time the genders were forced to rely on each other but as soon as that necessity was removed (technology, birth control) betrayal was inevitable. People would rather screw themselves in order to ensure others are equally screwed than gamble on the altruism of the rest of society.
/r/MGTOW28/01/16 07:12 PM
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So many MGTOW still judge themselves and other men by female standards. When the accusation is levelled that MGTOW are all 'fat losers' some MGTOW scramble to provide evidence to the contrary when really they should say: 'let's stay you're right, so what?'.
/r/MGTOW24/01/16 07:39 PM
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The question 'what's in it for me?' is still worthwhile for MGTOW to ask if only for when the described submissive waifu is offered we can respond with: 'what else you got?'.
/r/MGTOW24/01/16 06:09 PM
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More appeals for men to white knight with no accompanying explanation as to why men would put themselves in harms way for strangers who hate them.
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 11:36 PM
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Remember this article when people ask you to risk your life in defence of the government and its harem of single mothers.
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 11:04 PM
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So, to answer the question 'What's in it for me?' your answer is (ultimately) 'the chance to sacrifice yourself for unrelated strangers and their children who hold you in disdain'. So nothing. Sure you prettied it up with an appeal to virtue but I alongside most guys here are immune to that tactic.
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 04:21 PM
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Selfishness != rational self-interest. The baby boomers said what they said and had children. Childless, single MGTOW have no children. You are fishing in the wrong pond -- you are better to recruit men with children who stand to gain for fighting for a future after their death. There is no incentive for childless single MGTOW to risk their lives for the wives and children of other men. Society used to understand this. MGTOW like any other group of men that have ever existed would rather die by …
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 03:43 PM
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• What's in it for us as childless single MGTOW? Specifically us not our societies, us as individuals to risk our lives for female strangers? • No western societies will fall to muslims in the lifetime of any childless MGTOW here. • Childless MGTOW do not suffer if western women choose to mate with muslims during their lifetime. • Childless MGTOW do no suffer if western women consider they have failed their shit tests.
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 03:18 PM
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List of people to ask to protect you instead of asking men: • feminists • the police • your politicians • your father
/r/MGTOW23/01/16 03:07 PM
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I have no problem with that as long as I'm not paying for the woman, her children or the father through my taxes.
/r/MGTOW20/01/16 06:14 PM
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The guy's a tradcon and to be honest I had to go to his blog to find out because he offers nothing but a vague reference to his solution in the video. 'The problem' is, apparently, men aren't generating enough tax money because they're not competing for women (as much) because... computer games! This is bad because other men have children and they want their children to inherit a good economy. So, up and at 'em MGTOW you have an economy to save... for other men's children to enjoy... long after …
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 08:50 PM
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Ha! I think MGTOW have been canny and drawn eyes on their eyelids...
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 06:41 PM
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If men have been forced to adopt the strategies of being a cad or opting-out what strategies will women and their enablers employ in response? • bachelor taxes and increased socialism. • flooding the country with foreign males. • social shaming. Anything to turn up the pressure. It's a game of who will blink first.
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 03:35 PM
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I propose it's witnessing a man stressed/anxious/upset from day-to-day life that erodes her desire for him. The two existential threats of 'death' and 'boredom' are what husbands are forced to successfully obscure if they want to continue to have sex with their wives.
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 11:12 AM
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Rule 6.
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 09:43 AM
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"...and spend another fortune trying to hit it big again!" So, the donations were to gamble with again? What circumstances have led to this woman developing a mind capable of the mental gymnastics and self trickery capable of denying all logic, reason and warning?
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 09:36 AM
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None of these guys really considered the question 'What's in it for me?' and 'What's in it for her?' at any point did they? Ellerby: How is your wedding coming along? Colin Sullivan: Great, great; she's a doctor. Ellerby: That's outstanding. Colin Sullivan: Yeah. Ellerby: Marriage is an important part of getting ahead: lets people know you're not a homo; married guy seems more stable; people see the ring, they think at least somebody can stand the son of a bitch; ladies see the ring, they know i…
/r/MGTOW17/01/16 09:25 AM
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It's always interesting in these articles to detect the switch over point where the word 'men' stops referring to just 'men' and begins to mean 'top 20% attractive men'.
/r/MGTOW16/01/16 11:28 PM
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• MGTOW doesn't need to 'look good'. MGTOW isn't out to recruit anyone. MGTOW isn't out to change society. People come to MGTOW on their own when they're ready. Some men may never be ready. That reality is not a problem. • Society crumbling due to Muslims won't happen in the majority MGTOW's life time. Only MGTOW with children are likely to care about society after their death. Some MGTOW will agree with with nationalists though for their own reasons. • I doubt any MGTOW would ignore a female fa…
/r/MGTOW14/01/16 11:33 PM
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There's many factors that may contribute to explaining this but I think the main factor is: • monks are seen as living an unenviable life of self denial. They don't get to do what they 'want' rather what their religion requires of them. • MGTOW are seen rightly/wrongly as living a life where they get to do or not do whatever they want (which is enviable). There's a general sense that MGTOW are 'getting away with it' - one could image a blue pill person feeling (rather than thinking) a general se…
/r/MGTOW13/01/16 07:22 PM
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Exactly, they just want to sacrifice us to save them and theirs.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 10:04 PM
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The only reward we seek is freedom from those who would have us sacrifice our lives to save those who despise us.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 09:51 PM
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I suspect he believes all 'wrong action' by women is the responsibility of men. Women are 'innocents' like infants or animals incapable of 'wrong action'.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 09:33 PM
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There's no self described MGTOW alive right now that will witness a Muslim take over of Europe in their life time. If you are worried for your children's future now is the time to band together with other like minded fathers. You (and society) are not offering any incentive to childless, single MGTOW to help. Enjoy the decline.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 06:48 PM
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When you say 'you guys' I presume you mean MGTOW? There are no unifying 'MGTOW guidelines' describing those objectives you mention. The reality is MGTOW are looking out for themselves (because no one else will) and by extension those thy love. Perhaps you'll find some MGTOW with daughters from a failed marriage who would be willing to risk their lives for your cause? Childless, single men living in historical tribes fought for many reasons including potential social ostracism which would restric…
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 06:36 PM
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Enjoy your unicorn. See you back here in a few years.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 11:28 AM
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Childess, single men have no incentive to fight against something that will not have a significant impact until long after they have died. There is no incentive for MGTOW to risk their lives for the wives and children of other men. Society used to understand this. Go ally with other married fathers if you have nothing to incentivise MGTOW with.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 10:40 AM
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Agreed, but with the addendum that asking these trad cons 'what's in it for me' is a legitimate question. What's in it for a childless, single MGTOW to risk their lives to risk their lives protecting trad cons' wives and children? The trad cons think MGTOW are demanding the rights men used to benefit from in the past be restored (like the MRA desire) but MGTOW are not interested in that... It's too late just to go back, we already know women's true nature, it'd would be a sham. MGTOW just want t…
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 10:27 AM
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Looking at Angelo's other videos his wife has just had a kid. This is important because now Angelo realises his task of protecting his family 24/7 is near impossible. What he needs is a country full of white men who have the same fears he can ally with to create a society his wife and child can feel 'safe' to be out on their own. The problem of course is childless single MGTOW don't see any pay off for risking their lives for the safety of his wife and child. What's in it for a man going his own…
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 10:12 AM
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MGTOW direct their will to their own ambitions and their own ends, shaping their own lives Women collectively reaping what they've sown is the right thing, is justice, and MGTOW don't stand to benefit from interfering with that process.
/r/MGTOW09/01/16 12:21 AM
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Easy, there's no reward for 'rising up'. There's also no justice in preventing women from having to experience the consequences of their actions.
/r/MGTOW08/01/16 11:09 PM
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Single, childless men won't fight for a society they have no stake in. Defend your own wife and child.
/r/MGTOW08/01/16 10:27 PM
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This guy (from the video) wants a family (or has one already). He wants to shame you into helping him defend them because he knows he cannot do it on his own, and he has nothing to offer you in exchange. Men without wives and children he loves (and who love him in return) won't fight for society because there's nothing in it for them. The current state of affairs is what happens when the system disenfranchises 80% of the male population.
/r/MGTOW08/01/16 09:05 PM
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"The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no." " - Rorschach
/r/MGTOW08/01/16 08:58 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one to see the video's relevance to MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW07/10/15 07:47 PM
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Exactly, I'm not claiming Schopenhauer is a MGTOW rather the 'Sage' described in this video are conceptually very similar to 'a' (one of a few) MGTOW 'ideal forms'.
/r/MGTOW07/10/15 07:45 PM
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"The first solution is intended for rather rare individuals he called 'sages'. Sages are able by heroic efforts to rise above the demands of the will-to-life. They see the natural drives within themselves towards selfishness, sex, and vanity, and override them. They overcome their desires, live alone, often away from big cities, never marry and quell their appetites for fame and status. In Buddhism Schopenhauer points out, this person is known as a monk but he recognises only a tiny number of us…
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 09:50 AM
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"We should not be surprised by marriages between people who would never be friends... Love... casts itself on people who, apart from sex, would be hateful, contemptible, and even abhorrent to us." - Arthur Schopenhauer "Directly after copulation the Devil's laughter is heard." - Arthur Schopenhauer "To marry means to do everything possible to become an object of disgust to each other." - Arthur Schopenhauer
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 09:33 AM
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TL;DR Quotes from article: "We are not proposing to extend rights to robots. We do not see robots as conscious entities. We propose instead that robots are a product of* human consciousness and creativity and human power relationships are reflected in the production, design and proposed uses of these robots. As a result, we oppose any efforts to develop robots that will contribute to gender inequalities in society."* ... However, campaigners worry that having humanoid, realistic sex machines wil…
/r/MGTOW15/09/15 07:33 PM
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Why are 'men' in trouble? He never actually explains why not getting married, not having a family, not partaking in the corporate rat-race, and not being religious etc is bad for the individual man. I suspect he does not because it's not bad for the individual man, it's actually good, it's just not good for women and the economy.
/r/MGTOW18/08/13 08:36 PM
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