Patriarchy is the Only Correct Form of Social Organization, or "We're in Deep Shit Guys"

TheRedStoic · 2016-04-06T13:35:19+00:00

Meh. That's an interesting set of propositions, but I can't help to feel that you haven't actually backed your assertion, you begin with the conclusion that patriarchy is the correct way of running a society, and then explain why other ways fail - yet you fail to explain why that makes patriarchy correct. At the most you've listed it as the least incorrect, but I'd doubt even that since myriad societal hierarchies and systems haven't even been mentioned.

(nor could they realistically be since there just isn't the space to justify it on a trp post, I've read books on this stuff comparing only 2 society systems, and many more comparing methodology for comparison.)

Overall, on a reasonable path, just, I see little point in it aside from the argument that something inherently natural supports patriarchal societal structure.

(in which case you run into the natural fallacy, a version of appeal to inappropriate authority or appeal to tradition, hinging on just because things are natural inclinations makes them correct - which is demonstrably false).

Either way, let's give you benefit of the doubt, even then patriarchal societies historically would be severely bad news for the majority of people subscribing here. Being male is not enough to be a man by most historical definitions. Male-ness was only a prerequisite to play the game, while power, influence, assets, social adroitness, and often class based stewardship played a bigger part in it all.

In fact pure historical patriarchal societies would render the red pill largely worthless I'd posit, since more than your own self improvement would be class locking you (though realistically in the supermajority of cases we are class locked anyway, not income locked, but class locked definitely).

Additionally I'd like to remind you, we're here to discuss the praxeology of male sexual theory and interaction. Not culture building/governance. Though you may have fun searching that new "black-pill" stuff.

Well thought, but it's just a dip in the shallow end of a dream pool. (no offense intended, keep working on the theory OP)

karmalizing · 2016-04-06T01:39:51+00:00

Excellent post...

Socialism, Communism, and Feminism

These -isms, on the other hand, look to MANKIND as the source for all truth. They base social organization on "Human nature" instead of just Nature itself.

They lack a Father figure so they replace that Father figure with government. Which, in turn, emasculates men, which causes males to be disrespected even more, rinse and repeat. Turns into a death spiral.

aardvarkorgy · 2016-04-06T02:33:35+00:00

It's fucking disturbing to see how easily redpill musings - which at best are good rules of thumb for dating and at worst are the expressions of paranoia and insecurity on the part of socially excluded men - can glide into far-right reactionary political rhetoric that is shockingly comfortable with even the most socially destructive forms of hierarchy and competition (hierarchy that, by the way, probably no one who was ever socially excluded enough to even go on this board would ever benefit from).

Shit dude .... this attitude makes sense when you're trying to get bar skanks in your bed. When you're trying to figure out how to manage society, maaaaaaybe you should step back from your sexual insecurities.

whomthebellrings · 2016-04-06T10:26:36+00:00

Kantian ethics without a religious basis. This post brings me back to a long term discussion I had with a strongly Catholic friend about objective morality. What is so strong about TRP is that the concepts develop alongside biological evolutionary theories.

Perhaps we cannot determine what is objective truths at present, but with the scientific underpinnings of the theories developed on this sub, we are a far way ahead from the feminist imperative attempting to change what intrinsically feels right.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2016-04-06T17:43:50+00:00

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NeoreactionSafe · 2016-04-06T19:51:11+00:00

Your posts are great and continuing to get better.

What has happened is the entire concept of masculine polarity has been attacked.

In the Natural Laws we see the universe as oscillating in different ways (times do change and cycles do exist) but underneath it all there is the logic that if you obey these abstract Natural Laws you get good results.

What the Blue Pill does is reject the very notion of Natural Laws.

It's like they one day they declared:

"Since gravity cannot be seen it's not real... we can invent alternative explanations for gravity."

And the Blue Pill would then concoct some insane set of rules that defined what they wanted gravity to be caused by:

"Our political enemies caused gravity. If we destroy them we can fly."

...so that's how things are going.

vengefully_yours · 2016-04-06T20:04:15+00:00

We do have a relatively unchanging nature, your post depicts it quite well then tries to say it isn't so. Feminists and sjws try to say we have no inherent nature, that is all in how we are raised. Bullshit, one you have more than one kid and you treat them the same and get two extremely different people, you know it's not nurture. The difference we see that you pointed out, monks vs serial killers, are two aspects of the nature inside every one of us.

We are all that ultra violent ape, that only needs the circumstances to reveal itself. Even the omegas and betas will go to the violent ape if pushed far enough by an equal or lesser individual, though when facing a bigger more violent ape, they'll cower in fear. We can all nurture, we can all deny ourselves something. Those are traits, or nature is very much unchanging and it is not far removed from the organisms we evolved from, and almost everything we came from still surfaces in our nature.

Religion, and feminism along with any other dogma, tries to control our nature through artificial means and fear. Peer pressure, pain, subjugation, and the big one... guilt.

There is no truth in myth, even if the myths contain observations of human nature. While religion can control people, it is often detrimental to them because of the guilt and resultant problems, like porn addiction, that comes from too much emphasis on controlling our nature. Then you have things like wars over imaginary friends, conversion by force, suicide bombings, and girls wearing bee keeper outfits in an attempt to keep them from fucking random guys.

Feminism is nothing more than another religion, and it uses all the same tactics to control people and exert it's will. You're dislike of it while following a different flavor of the same thing is no different than you not liking islam. It's a competing dogma, and religions don't like competition.

You have the us vs them mentality, and you honestly believe that your way is the right way and all others are wrong, that's because you were taught that from a very young age. You're still in the pod, connected to the power plant, in a dream world that is a prison for your mind. You see others in a different power plant and you think they should be in yours, because you're in the right one.

Get out and learn to be critical of bullshit.

sir_wankalot_here · 2016-04-06T03:07:43+00:00

The natural order of things is 75%+ of men do not breed, and support the 25% who do breed. We are returning to this natural order of things.

The rest of the post is a bunch of hamstering, the guys who run things are still men. Everything that OP talks about only applied to 10%+ of men.

The rest of the post is pure hamster.

who are told there is no objective truth, and therefore must become feminized world citizens.

That is the natural order. The 5 to 10% of men decided to fuck your wife or daughter, assuming she was not totally fucked out yet. You tipped your hat and said yes sire.

WendigoWood · 2016-04-06T04:59:24+00:00

This is absolutely true and very astute. Marxism is on the march.

bsutansalt · 2016-04-06T03:58:33+00:00

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFyIzoBwXVk

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/WashTimesWomensSuff112707.html

http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1237&context=law_and_economics

http://web.stanford.edu/group/SITE/archive/SITE_2007/segment_7/gathmann_women_suffrage.pdf

https://youtu.be/OMjiY-5BdBE

LoneStarG84 · 2016-04-06T13:24:47+00:00

I'm sorry, but this is complete bs. Natural law? Religion? Music? What was the point of all that? To say the patriarchy is good and we should reinstate the aristocracy?

This is all pointless. Socialism is supported for a reason: because it benefits the greater good. I.e. Everyone. I'll tell you what'll happen in an aristocracy. The majority of people, including us, middle-class men, will be oppressed. By a patriarchy? Yes, even by a patriarchy, if they so happen to be men. There's no reason for them to share power without socialist beliefs.

In conclusion, this post is garbage. Try again, but with actually meaningful content this time.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-04-06T10:59:17+00:00

"WE," are not the ones in deep shit.

2016-04-07T01:20:54+00:00

You know what scares me is how many young people are completely okay taking from others instead of creating.

Aidan_702 · 2016-04-07T19:10:42+00:00

This is simply an incoherent jumble of things you apparently don't like. Can you explain why you don't like communism/socialism? What is natural law by the way - do you have any definition of it that goes beyond 'Natural = that sounds good' and 'law = UNDENIABLE OBJECTIVE TRUTH'.

The notion of natural law comes from Hobbes, and Locke and Voltaire, amongst many others. The suggestion is that without a system of government the only "law" is natural, not that the 'natural is the law'. That doesn't in any way mean it's right, or good, or to literally anyone's benefit.

Nor does the laws of physics have barely any bearing on ethics and morality, other than being a constraint within which we make moral decisions. There is nothing 'objective' about the rectitude of 'plowing women'. There is no message hewn into the fabric of the universe telling you communitarian/liberal/feminist views are inherently wrong because...what - they disobey thermodynamics or something? Or they go against your precious invented 'bio truths'? You honestly sound like a schizophrenic teenager, and I mean that in the most sympathetic way.

You also have an extremely narrow basic global horizon: the idea that somehow it's either true libertarian paradise or a feminist hegemony just shows how poorly read and informed you are. I would suggest reading an introduction to philosophy, or global politics.

Your patriarichal conjecture is based on quite literally nothing that makes coherent sense. What you mean to say is : I would prefer a patriarchal structure because it suits me and I'd think it's great. Funnily enough it doesn't suit a lot of people, and even some it would don't even think it's great because they have vaguely higher ideals than having casual sex with women.

youve also just equivocated the sentiment of paternalism (that is a system of government that inhibits rights and freedoms) with what I can only guess, on your behalf, is 'men are objective so therefore paternal = father = man = man's government = paternal government = good. Paternal government doesn't imply men, it's just an historical vestige of the term. It implies a parental attitude.

supergilbert · 2016-04-06T06:39:06+00:00

OP you get it. Don't mind all the people reproaching the "religious overtone". The sacred has to be the center of a civilization. Otherwise, it all goes down to shit, as we're quickly finding out.

People here shit on religion all the time, not realizing it's the lack of it that is making western society so weak. Once you put religion back in the center of society's framework, I guarantee the rest will follow. If you don't, other societies who do will take over. As we're seeing with Islam filling the void of Western societies.

DforDeadpool · 2016-04-06T09:08:21+00:00

Why we don't call the socialism, communism and feminism as the Cuck Triad?

YourDreamsWillTell · 2016-04-06T02:12:01+00:00

Solid post, maybe a few points here and there can be reworded to avoid the religious overtones

2016-04-06T06:14:27+00:00

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Title	Patriarchy is the Only Correct Form of Social Organization, or "We're in Deep Shit Guys"
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	22
Comments	36
Date	April 6, 2016 1:21 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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