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[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] [score hidden] 10 years ago stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link
Questions go to askTRP
Also, try the sidebar, it explains all
[–]WIDE_420lbs 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you have to look at TRP as a way to help you gain control of your life. To be able to take your internal and external stresses and lay them out like; why do I feel helpless? Why is the girl I love totally disrespecting me? Eventually those stresses just fade away as you give less and less of a shit about your fee-fees that only drag you down into a losing feminine frame.
It's not about controlling women, it's about controlling YOUR relationship with them. And why shouldn't you be able to do that?You will never find posts here about people FORCING their lovers to do things. They are simply putting their expectations in the open, it's up to the lady to stay or leave. Women do this all the time to their men, almost sickeningly overt, yet rarely are they called out on it; compare this to "toxic/domineering masculinity" when men do it.
I think this sub gives you the balls to be a "douche-bag" that YOU like being, and not giving a fuck if anyone calls you one. Quit being afraid of getting shamed for being a man, men are ALWAYS hated for what they are, so why not be the man YOU want to be?
[–]Tie5o11 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First of all, I would say you are responding to one subset of posts: "when I actually browse through the posts, I just see a bunch of guys saying that they just dumped their girlfriend and a bunch of other guys giving them theoretical ;high-fives.'" And, within this one subset of posts, there may be a myriad of reasons men want to break up with girlfriends or gain more power in a relationship. Perhaps, many of these men were in relatively powerless in their relationships, and/or were stuck in a relationship that ultimately was bad for them long term. Without context, its impossible to say all of these posts are examples of men simply trying to "out alpha" their girlfriends or whatever.
If you'd like to learn, read the sidebar. Like anything, read it with both an open by skeptical mind. But that will give you a grounded understanding on the theory. From there, feel free to read or not read any of the posts within the sub thereafter.
[–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why are you all so concerned with trying to preserve your masculinity
What's wrong with preserving masculinity?
Why not talk to her and try to solve the issue and preserve the relationship?
Some of the posts on the redpill are stated in strong terms to break blue pill minded men out of their counterproductive thought processes. The poster isn't saying that you should just walk away at the drop of a hat. The poster is saying that it puts you in a weak position in a relationship to negotiate. Negotiating implies that common sense communication has broken down and now it's a back and forth. So in a way the advice is given as an effort to preserve the relationship not destroy it. Women respond and are attracted when men come from a place of abundance. We don't make up the rules we just follow them and teach other men how to follow them.
Maybe it won't work and maybe you will look like a pussy but who cares?
You're answering your own question. Looking like a pussy shows weakness and can cause a relationship to strain and break.
Maybe I am reading you guys wrong
Maybe you are maybe you aren't; but feel free to ask those questions within the threads themselves. Most of the time people will help you understand what they are thinking and why. It might help if you started on the sidebar -----> and then came back to the current posts and discussions.
It can take quite a bit of time and reading to wrap your head around how different the redpill philosophy is from the mainstream approach to relationships. The current rate of unhappiness and divorce in our society doesn't speak well to the mainstream relationship advice model.
[–]T4keTheShot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
my feeling is that, for a relationship to work, you both need to put all your cards on the table. I am not interested in playing these mind games. I think that you should both just lay it all out there and if you are compatible then great, if not then you move on to the next one with no hard feelings. To me, when I hear you guys say not to do certain things because then she will think she can do this and so on... that relationship is already doomed to fail. If you are playing those sorts of games then you are not being honest with each other and a good LTR has to be based on honesty. That is just my opinion.
[–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think that you should both just lay it all out there and if you are compatible then great,
This is such a broad statement. I don't really disagree with you except to say that LTR's are a bit more complicated then 'you're compatible or your not.'
then you move on to the next one with no hard feelings
That's exactly what we mean by not negotiating. Just walk away.
a good LTR has to be based on honesty
Recommending to a guy to walk away from a relationship instead of negotiating is not being dishonest. That being said you're statement is naive; people lie. It's part of life and it's being dishonest not to assume there's going to be some dishonesty in a relationship. You sound very bluepill. I see lots of women manipulating you in your future. I hope you stay and read the sidebar and learn.
[–]Eze-Wong 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to think exactly like that... you needed to put all your cards on the table, share and find compatibility.... I just implore you to try it. You'll find out from experience why it doesn't work.
Think of relationships as business relationships. Because frankly speaking, there's not that much a difference.
In any working business relationship, the synergy or relationship remains stable through a constant trade of things that the other party values, but cannot easily obtain. The trade happens each party offers something unique and unobtainable through their own means. Each party is happy. (Men - strong, women - caretakers)
But when you open your cards up to the table, you are opening yourself to exploitation. Imagine if a grocery store said to a banana company.... "Hey Chiquita banana. We use your bananas all the time. We've decided that we'll never ever go to another company for bananas. Also, here's our entire company report at your desk. You will know everything about our company top to bottom. Including our law abiding responsibilities".
That opens the gate to all fuck all...
Chiquita banana is going to come up ways take advantage of the situation. Perhaps they realize that grocery store has a rise in demand during summer. Chiquita would be smart enough to realize that if they fake a shortage, they can charge more for bananas. (Relationship metaphor, a woman withdrawing sex to get a man to do dishes, the stereotype is real).
Perhaps Chiquita banana sees in the report that the grocery store is still liable for all bad shipments and has to pay the cost for all of them. Chiquita sure as fuck will send more bad bananas... (Relationship metaphor, a guy is beta, and will give into his wife demands easily)
Or let's say that a new grocery store called "whole foods" just opened up across the street. They will sell Chiquita's bannas for a higher price. Do you not think Chiquita will go there with the assurances that the other grocery store will still sell their bananas? (Relationship metaphor, cheating)
Do not discount the idea that sexual relationships are any different from any other relationship out there in the world. This includes parental or friendship. All relationships work like this.
If you open up and show people your vulnerabilities people will take advantage of them. I'm sure you have enough life experience to realize this. It's not even vulnerabilities so to speak, but just by not playing "games", you fail to keep people on their toes. Believe me, i fucking HATE games. But if you don't keep women on their toes, you will be exploited.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll take Concern Troll for $400, Alex.
[–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So how do we tell the difference between a newb who hasn't read the sidebar and a troll?
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Real newbs are angry. We cheer them to get beyond their anger, but they are angry.
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[–]T4keTheShot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree that it is important to preserve your masculinity to stay attractive to women and that every girl won't be the one. But isn't the ultimate purpose of dating to find that one? And I don't think that there is such a thing as a perfect relationship. So if you dump them for any imperfection then I think you will just end up alone.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That one does not exist. It's just your turn to fuck her for a while. Let them stay in your life as long as they don't egregiously fuck up, when they do dump them without remorse.
Don't be afraid of living alone, you get more shit done that way. Girls are afraid of being alone, men should never be. We are the prize, she is a plaything for a while, some get to stay longer than others, but in the end everything in life is temporary. I'm old enough to be your dad, and I'm happier living by myself than I ever was with a girl there, and I've had a few great girls in my life, in addition to the cunts. Shit, I can fuck a 20 something to a 40 something any day of the week by going out and talking to them. Why would I ever want to keep one?
[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are you all so concerned with trying to preserve your masculinity?
Masculine polarity is defined by:
Men love women, women love children, children love puppies
What this means is that there is no equality in a successful relationship.
All success is based on respect shown by a woman towards a man.
Once the respect is lost, then for women their capacity to have sexual attraction is gone. Once that fire goes out the relationship is doomed.
Our "advice" is to avoid loss of masculine polarity like it were the most dangerous reef which a Captain must not run aground on. (ship metaphor)
We blame ourselves for loss of masculinity... loss of Frame.
Machiavelli's The Prince (1513)
Chapter XIX: That One should Avoid being Despised and Hated
It makes him contemptible to be considered fickle, frivolous, effeminate, mean-spirited, irresolute, from all of which a prince should guard himself as from a rock; and he should endeavour to show in his actions greatness, courage, gravity, and fortitude; and in his private dealings with his subjects let him show that his judgments are irrevocable, and maintain himself in such reputation that no one can hope either to deceive him or to get round him.
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