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MGTOW are illogical.

melniav0

March 20, 2017
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/r/MGTOW

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Title MGTOW are illogical.
Author

melniav0

Upvotes 7
Comments 39
Date March 20, 2017 4:57 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/60hovk/mgtow_are_illogical/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/mgtow-are-illogical.600763
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Comments

[+][deleted] 9 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Says the man dressed like as if he came rolling out of yngwie malmsteen's gerbil party.

[–]misfits4761 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha!

[–]TigPlaze1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

roflmao

[–]DirtieHarry0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually subscribe to Styx and watch his stuff pretty regularly. He may be Red Pilled to a lot of topics, but he has no idea what he's talking about in this video. haha

[–]Section-200 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yngwie is straight, as well as an insanely talented guitar player and musician. You however, are an idiot.

[–]VanDerVaart 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This guy is pathetic.

I don't get where these comments are getting the idea that MGTOW participants are bitter and angry. All I ever read on this subreddit is valuable philosophical advice (Schopenhauer, Epictetus, etc.) and rational discussion. Simply because we reject women are we subject to their boundless hatred and shaming. For absolutely no reason. I don't owe anyone anything. I exist simply because and life is a farce where you consume and entertain yourself until you die. That is literally it. Why do I owe a woman a meal ticket simply because I'm successful myself? Why is my personal choice anyone else's business? I'll do what I please. This is the most internally directed movement, and generally ignored by the majority (they don't have a clue we even exist), but those that do find out about us...so much hatred and shaming. The only way they have to try to get us back to the plantation is shaming and once you see it for what it is, it's laughable and pathetic - exactly like this video.

This man has no real experience with women. I think the biggest haters of MGTOW are guys who still hold women on a pedestal. For us, we've been around them long enough, chased tail, got it, realized it's meaningless, seen the entire shitshow that comes with it. I don't need a lecture from someone still living in delusion and societal lies when I've seen firsthand what committed relationships and marriage result in. Statistics are a man's best friend and when 80% of divorces are initiated by women and the gynocentric government will ensure that you are forced to be productive to pay for a woman to live a lifestyle she would never have had without you, it's better just to opt out.

[–]Connorconzo 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If all you ever found here was reasonable discussion and philosophy you must only be reading a handful of threads. I love this sub, but there's so much anger and hatred here it's just a party pooper haha

[–]Hugeman333 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh. Anger is a justified response to learning that you've been lied to.

Letting anger consume you is pointless and will lead to self destruction.

[–]Section-201 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you really "loved this sub", then you would actually understand that anger is a normal and natural response to having been deceived and betrayed by someone you loved and trusted. Once it passes, and it does, true healing can begin.

[–]587Boat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you've nailed it; 100% right. The guy who made this video seemingly cannot connect any empirically derived data to support his position. I believe he's honestly trying to make his case, but his foundation is on sand. I, for example, don't hate anyone. What I'm capable of, however, is making a risk/reward analysis and in the case of a male/female relationship, All I see is enormous risk with little if any reward. That does not make me some angry white guy plotting some bizarre revenge on anyone.

+1

[–]Smoothtank1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There's definitely a lot of bitterness and anger here. But to me that's neither here nor there. I think the state of the mating ritual should leave bitterness in the mouths of all.

Is it better to be like women, to not be bitter but to be on antidepressants/SSRIs and pretend everything is fine while routinely duplicating the same behaviors that have you needing pills?

I'd rather be called bitter. I probably am, honestly, to some degree. But I've left most of it behind.

I don't forgive or forget, but I do move on.

[–]Smoothtank7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm always down for a good argument. But I'm not going to listen to a bucktoothed hippy slob in pop bottle glasses and wearing a leather coat while shirtless instruct me about logic and how to live.

Honestly though I just wanted to break this guy's back over my knee at first glance.

But I'll agree with the thesis in general. A lot of what I see here is just illogical raging.

[–]Rhodesius8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For those of you who don't want to watch the whole thing, he basically says MGTOW is like feminism. Feminism says all men are oppressive in order to bolster the patriarchy. MGTOWs say that all women are bad and just want to use men. He says that the problem is actually the government, who want to make money off of men since they earn most of the money, the government can profit by siphoning it to females.

He also says most MGTOWs are beta male types who have been rejected by women for various reasons.

He doesn't really address hypergamy, and basically says NAWALT. He says that we will always have a romantic desire, and it is silly to ignore it because we will always be lonely.

But still, I don't think there's much to gain from women. It's too risky to try to make it work.

[–]DirtieHarry1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Pretty solid summary. Styx is pretty Libertarian, so he's trying to bend the topic to fit his narrative. Shit, even Stefan Molyneux concedes that men get a raw deal now a days and he's busy trying to convince men and women to have as many kids as possible.

[–]Rhodesius1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. Also, you're right. He only offered his criticism and didn't discuss any solutions to the problems MGTOW face. It's easy to tell people why they are wrong, but harder to convince them your way of thinking is right.

[–]Whiskeybandit67 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If I am a loser why does he care?

If I am a loser why does anyone care?

Maybe I'm the winner.

[–]DirtieHarry0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Had to resist the urge to post a sarcastic "deep". This is actually a really good point. Why do people care what we do with our resources?

[–]CaptainStardust1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they want validation for their own terrible choices. Misery loves company.

[–]edwsdavid2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Please tell me Mig-Tau is not how you guys pronounce MGTOW. Em-Gee-Toe is how i say it in my head, am I crazy?

Edit: Downvote away brothers, idgaf

[–]csbfxe1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can pronounce it however you want ;)

[–]Smoothtank1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't pronounce it. I keep it the acronym it is. When speaking, I say the words. Acronyms were meant to condense writing time, not speaking time. People now basically speak halfway in txtspk.

[–]eja_cool82 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love Styx but he doesn't understand MGTOW. It's okay. A lot of people don't.

[–]DM_Waveform1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I like him too. No-one's going to agree with you on everything.

[–]DirtieHarry0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same.

[–]Mini_Bot1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Seems like 1 of the arguments in the comments is that MGTOW is the Jews' plan to stop men from breeding, specifically white men. Implying that a wife is the only way to have a child now.

[–]DM_Waveform0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the black white men, and the asian white men...

[–]eja_cool80 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are artificial wombs out yet?

[–]CaptainStardust0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Blaming the Jews is history's oldest trope. Low IQ people do it because they don't like smart people.

[–]Mini_Bot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No matter who they blame, it's a stupid reason because whether or not someone is actually plotting this, the fact that marriage is shit still stands. It's like saying that people putting an electric fence around their money safe is plotting to keep you from taking their money. So what, do you go through the fence and take the money anyway?

[–]Spungo1 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is he dressed like that?

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[–]DThrillard 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same bullshit arguments from another faggot. Consider it nexted.

[–]lonewolf-chicago0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So are flying bumble bees

[–]Mini_Bot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only listened 10 minutes of it, but it's mostly:
-NAWALT
-MGTOW is like feminism and communism because we say AWALT
-life is a risk so take a risk in finding NAWALT
-the utopian mouse experiment -> weak male mice going MGTOW -> MGTOW = weak rejected beta males
-government is cause of shit women by making shit laws to profit off men

Well, I've been trying to become the example of the successful celibate alpha to spite them.

[–]a17c81a30 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I bet every single MGTOW on this sub is more manly than that dude and got/gets laid more and/or have more children.

[–]CaptainStardust0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nah, most mgtows are incel

[–]FuckedExistence 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Making straw man's is illogical

[–]w33tad1d0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you have to learn to differentiate between individuals that are mentally stable and those that arent.

Yea. Women are not mentally stable. Done.

[–]Varyyn0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the wacky pheromone chemtrails turned this guy into one of the village people. And of course he's pinned a comment that MGTOW is a zionist conspiracy, fuck off back to your alt reich regressive hole nut job, and put some fucking clothes on.

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