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[–]ikhwan_arif34 points35 points36 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
TRP is nothing if not amusing. There was another post here saying that TRP is a basically a PUA meeting place, which is not far from the truth. Betas trying to chad, and chad effortlessly pump and dump.
Sometimes there are gems that actually discuss male and female dynamics in an intelligent way but for the most part it's just thirsty men trying to game.
Ironically they'll see the futility of it, because you cannot alpha the system, you can't game your way out of a false rape accusation, and you can't hold frame to an officer of the law or the courts.
An unfortunately, this is why there's going to more women coming here; because a self-actualized, financially secure, independent man who doesn't give a shit and goes his own way, is what attracts females. Which is why we must remain rooted and vigilant.
[–]ShacklesBegone 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In the TRP version of The Matrix, Neo simply jumps in and out of the matrix to get laid. Would actually make a funny porn.
[–]kealh13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TRP focus on improving yourself. Women come along through your success. Yes it could be seen as a pua forum but it helps me and many guys improve. No women is not no.1, we focus on improving ourselves. I think you're being a bit to harsh on your assumption.
It how I found out about mgtow. Every sub has its own message.
[–]O_Son1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the best succinct response as to what TRP is, it's about improving yourself and understanding how to get the best deal in the modern world when it comes to dating. Women aren't the number one concern for a RedPill man, but there are already places to go for great advice on weightlifting, nutrition, business matters, economics, etc as these topics have been studied for countless years. TRP is about reclaiming masculinity, how to set objectives/goals in life, and how to get the best deal in the current dating market.
There is a masculine-feminine polarity in all things and pleasant interactions with women will give you energy, vitality, and reduce stress, if you choose to avoid these interactions that's up to you but from the outside MGTOW seems like a place that's totally obsessed with women. All of the top posts are about avoiding women, so guys at TRP talk about improving yourself, lifting weights, nutrition, how to interact with women for maximum benefit, etc while guys at MGTOW talk about avoiding women.
[–]ru-Alex 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would add that TRP subreddit focus on improving themselves to get women. PUA communities have done it and are still doing it too.
Which raises the question why different name? Maybe the meaning have changed?
Now lets think about the name "Red pill". Two movies come to mind:
Total recall (1990) and THe matrix. Basically in the matrix Neo was suggested to know what the matrix is and to do that he had to take the red pill. There is also Cypher also took the red pill and who made a deal to get back to the matrix later.
At first Red pill meant knowledge. It had nothing to do with action, or what to do to get laid for example. Furthermore Red pill metaphor could be applied not only to relationships but to history, politics etc.
[–]8017356 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, imo RP deals with modern way relationships work. What to expect, why stuff happens, why it doesn't work/happen, how to go about things, explanations/different aspects and views on affairs are presented for the reader to perhaps make decisions more easily. Some aspects deal with how to get into relationships, some with how to keep it going and some with how to end them.
The word 'game' is appropriate if you take things lightly (female hypergamy and male P&Dpery), not 'serious' (LTR), that's why I think RP talks about 'modern' way of dealing with relationships and kinda escapism - it's just a game these days. Not to everybody, mind you. Some take is serious, some don't.
MGTOW for me is the part of RP that deals with the individual (more or less males) who's in the end or post-end part of the relationship dynamic. Still all RP knowledge applies and can be useful, all of it - if you are aware enough when you find yourself in the moment and space with options to apply it. No matter what you're hiding in your pants or skirt.
That sub should be renamed to "im obssesed with females but dont know how to have them".
Well, then this sub should be renamed to "im obssesed with females but dont know how to avoid them", to be fair.
I'm not in the position to judge, but that's the way things seem to be around here and there these days.
This whole RP thing could perhaps be 'gender neutral (I see both genders occupied with it) applying the theory of economics to the relationship/sex market to reduce pains and increase gains based on presumptions we pull out of our own ass about the other party involved in this deal and the many generalizations regarding the environment the involved parties deal in (or with)' in the current state of things/environment. Once the enviro changes, some aspects of the RP change, some ideas become obsolete, some new ones pop up, along with new pains or gains.
With that written, thank god for making me an atheist and also thank god that's only me, as I might be rong.
[–]Fictitiousfallacy3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you OP. But at the same time there is hope for those guys on that subreddit because they inevitability end up one of two places imo;
A. They either get lucky, find a woman they can somewhat control, and still end up leading a miserable life after marrying them and having a family with them. They may still feel like "the man of the house" because they implement RP ideas and behavior into their daily lives, but we all know his life is most likely controlled and restricted to the point that he isn't truly free. But hey, they have "one of the greatest joys in life", a family.
B. They attempt to implement all of their RP ideas and behavior while still being a beta, get married, get cucked, divorced, and eventually make their way to Mgtow. Hopefully. Or they just stay beta forever, repeating the same cycle.
I guess there could be another option which is kind of what happened to me; after becoming aware of the RP, and after playing out all of the possible scenarios they decide the cost benefit analysis isn't worth it when it comes to involving yourself with women, so logically this leads to mgtow.
[–]PipBoyTInkerer2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The TRP sidebar should be essential reading for any swinging dick in the modern world. Even if you choose not to pursue women, you should at least understand them to avoid any traps and pitfalls.
That being said, the user-submitted posts about "I was fat, lost some weight, and got bitches to approach me! Oh yeah, I happened to be 6'1 and have a Chad face, but that totally has nothing to do with it" kinda shit gets old quick.
[–]Ontrus 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The trouble with women is that while you try to play with them, you are being played with :) That's why I am sceptical of TRP and PUAs.
[–]DaNiceguy2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
MGTOW is badass/calm/monk/maverick and all other styles of life
If that's true, I'm not seeing much of it here. A lot of people here are busy wallowing in the anger phase. It's a necessary phase, but an awful lot seem not to want to leave it and go and do all those badass things.
[–]sadbasturd990 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I am still trying to figure out what frame is. The more thought I put into it and read about it, the more convinced I am that they have no idea what frame is either.
Frame can be a complicated term that is sometimes misused, it's essentially whose 'reality' you're operating under. Humans have a natural tendency to create narratives, in relationships one person enters the other person's personal narrative or frame. The best way to understand and remember frame is when you think of a famous guy like George Clooney, he has power, confidence, and control, the people that are around him have to enter his frame if they want to be a part of his life. He doesn't have to ask permission to do anything and he doesn't have to walk on pins and needles because he's afraid that he might do something to upset a friend or fling. He has a strict work schedule and is essentially a commodity, if you want to spend time with him then you do so on his terms. That would be an example of extreme frame control.
Many married guys operate totally in their wife's frame, they have to ask her permission to do anything and they may be chastised for "mistakes" they make. A husband may say something like, "my wife lets me watch football most Sundays" because he's operating within her frame.
In psych terms, frame is an often subconscious, mutually acknowledged personal narrative under which auspices people will be influenced. One’s capacity for personal decisions, choices for well-being, emotional investments, religious beliefs and political persuasions (amongst many others) are all influenced and biased by the psychological narrative ‘framework’ under which we are most apt to accept as normalcy.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/
[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Frame is a lot like poker face.
[–]misterbadattitude 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Frame is like a mental barrier where third party subjectives like women say things to try and weaken you. Except it does not affect you or you don't show that it does.
[–]Thevoiceofreason4200 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I get what you're saying. I can understand where those guys are coming from, at the same time there are dudes who totally worship pussy 24/7. Example, I use to have a buddy who I would go snowboarding with, one year it was just storm after storm after storm, fresh powder every time we went. The entire time we were at whatever ski resort hes moaning and bitching about how I could be getting laid oh my chick would totally be blowing me right now. That kind of shit gets old quick, those dudes need to look around them and enjoy life every now and then instead of sex sex sex 24/7. Other then dudes like that I have no problem with TRP or PUA or anything again as long as its not their entire dam world every waking moment thinking about how to get laid by that female or that one or the other one. Gets old quick.
[–]Dberp 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you take the analogy of a card game -- you are dealt a hand and you play the best you can based on limited knowledge. PUA is bringing some of the basic rules to light and applying a better strategy. TRP is HOLD ON GUYS the game is totally rigged against you. You really have to play this game a completely different way.
MGTOW is deciding the rigged game isn't worth your time or the risk to your stack of chips. Better to tip the dealer, give best regards to all, and retire from the table. We'll be kicking back, drinking a beer, enjoying the music, and getting our moneys worth out of the buffet while all the other guys are sweating it out at the tables.
I've said many times - TRP subreddit is PUA sub. While "the red pill" metaphor is about knowledge, not about action. I am fine with them, as long as they don't state that they are somehow different from PUA. I am fine with PUA as well.
[–]General_Fear0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
PUAs are all about game. They want to get women into bed quickly efficiently without spending money. TRP brainstorm what works and what does not work. Every single facet of their life is geared to getting women into bed. How to walk. How to talk. How to lift weight. What car to drive. What to say, How to dress. How to think.
Not all of them are losers. Many view bedding women as sport. They like scoring with women much like a dear hunter like hunting dear.
[–]geocitiesuser0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TRP isub is a bunch of 20 year olds and chads with blessed genetics who haven't hit the male equivalent of the wall yet.
No amount of 'self improvement' is going to get middle aged guys laid if they aren't blessed in the face, hair, or cock size.
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