I Am Deciding To Go My Own Way. However, I am Angry, Lonely, and Confused. Could Use Some Guidance/Advice

2015-05-25T18:41:58+00:00

As a old guy who has gone my own way since 1994, here's my advice to you:

Be the best man you can be and do whatever will make you happiest.

gespo · 2015-05-24T08:34:48+00:00

in honor of dave letterman will do this weeks top ten: why women suck. 10) they can and possibly will fuck your good friend/s to lash out at you when angry. length of relationship seems irrels. 9) 'the biggest pimp on planet motha fuckin earth is her momma' 8) they are never satisfied. and its your job to fix it 7) female mindset resource sharing. (you dont pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to leave) 6) multigenerational/ plural trauma. women have been repressed to a greater degree in her mind and its partly your fault 5) women don't like men they just hate other women. think about it, we are just tools to help them one up or exact revenge on each other. want female attention, get a girl and then we talk 4) many of them carry an arsenal of STI's and will truly change your life for the worse 3) women are biologically programmed to have viable offspring. they fuck the poolboy and cuck the millionaire. at least that is the dream 2) period week! in my experience it is not bj week, it is fuck you I'm a victim and you are my slave week (drumroll please) 1) materialism is completely dependent on them. anything regarding conspicuous consumption is driven by women. men dont want fancy clothes mansions weekends in paris. it's the future cucks who drive this completely self immolating industry using the greatest weakness of the average man. women.

to conclude th MGTOW movement is anything but new. the hermetic movement that dates back thousand plus years is based upon this realization. nowadays we dont need the celibacy of a monk to avoid the female scourge.

Isaiah4verse1 · 2015-05-24T12:13:18+00:00

In response to...

Your first thought: long term relationships lower your testosterone. They are not good for you and are contrary to human nature. Monogamy is promoted to increase production. Man was never meant to seek love and companionship from a woman as women are fundamentally incapable of such. It is as trying to get money from a dog. Sex and reproduction is all they provide and all a man should seek. Men were never intended to court women. When at some point women stopped being the property of their fathers, they were left to their own hypergamy. None of this will change unless women once again become property of their fathers until they become property of their husbands. There is no such thing as women's rights as women were never made to bear the responsibilities of such.

Your second thought: There is no relationship between man and women. Never had been. Man was intended to seek love and companionship from his brothers and not women. This is why long term relationships actually feminize men. Women are dependent on men for love, companionship and support. When men seek the same from women they make themselves into women and the relationship is pretty much a de facto lesbian relationship. Men are individualists and do not need women to survive. Any man who seeks a woman for these things is not a man but is acting contrary to his nature by being a servant to a female. This is why men in LTRs are miserable (no matter what they say).*

*you can tell they are miserable by the shaming language they adopt. Happy people do not shame others. The reason why they shame is they are a) overcompensating for their own mistakes, b) vindicating their own mistakes.

This is a safe male space for you to say whatever the fuck you want so feel free to vent, explode, go postal here. I might forewarn you that there will be feminized MGTOW who will try to shame you into suppressing your emotions. Ignore them.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-05-24T17:21:36+00:00

I self medicated with tattoos

Interesting statement. I have often wondered about this, about how much of the current "tattoo" and/or "piercing" fad is really just a form of something akin to "cutting/self-harm."

Not saying that everyone who gets a tattoo or piercing is just or only doing it out of self-esteem/self-injury motives... but that many probably are. (I mean the current tattoo fashion really has nothing in common with the Navy "anchor" on the upper bicep thing.)

Ironic really... given all the emphasis on the bullshit "self-esteem" (all of which is complete crap, because actual self-esteem is by definition not something that others can "gift" you).

gespo · 2015-05-24T07:59:00+00:00

wow. definately an intelligent person, got that at least... oh wait that's everything you need. still in the highschool, early university mindset. In highschool you were trapped in a cage with the rats, now you can leave the cage but are still stucstuck in the same room with them. less aggressive seeming and having allot of fun so you are gettin a bit jelly? in my opinion, at this point focus on having a good summer and take it easy, learn to relax, love your self man. find out what you are passionate about, and learn to do new things. remember, the only people you are better than are people who think they are better than you. meet new people and rhe ones that do touching and kind things are the friends you want forever. just dont be surprised if nothing good comes from any females. IMHO women are fucked. ps. ditch the smartphone and go back ten years to a much more human time.

ky_windage · 2015-05-24T08:21:05+00:00

What you want to do will take time, years in fact. The rejection you have experienced will strengthen your resolve for now and give you time to focus on your degree and healthy lifting habits (I don't have a degree and have been passed up for promotions at work for that reason). Women are simpler creatures than our society admits. Spot their poor behavior then kick back and watch the show, they'll all hit the wall as time passes.

2015-05-24T20:15:11+00:00

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nigelh · 2015-05-24T08:22:50+00:00

Step one: Stop worrying about 'getting' a girl.

Step two: You're at college so blitz the work as that will pay you back long term.

Step three: Ask "What am I going to do today that is fun?" then do it.

Step four: If nothing presents itself try something new even if it's only go for a walk up a nearby hill.

hippydipster · 2015-05-24T13:22:31+00:00

I've had a few sexual experiences since I started college (lost my virginity at 20), but the gratification has always been fleeting.

Great sex doesn't just happen. It's usually quite mediocre, especially when you're just starting out. I would recommend continuing to look for opportunities and take advantage of them, and just don't worry about whether it's great, whether it "means" anything, whether there's a relationship possibility. Always assume no relationship and don't pursue it or think about it.

ddo0gg · 2015-05-24T14:46:06+00:00

You may not have spent enough time ruminating over the shit you've learned. Don't listen to everything everyone tells you, use your own brain and think for yourself. The depression is that you're identity of changing and you're learning to become a real man...and it's hard to become a real man. Here are some simple pointers to being a man:

1. Start working out: if you can't think of anything or are indecisive, just go jogging 3x a week and do some pushups or pullups.
2. Focus on your career: try for something that makes as much or more money than average.
3. Cultivate a personal individual style: a unique hat or jacket or tattoo or boots or something, just develop an identity
4. Get a dog: They are loyal as fuck and will help keep you from feeling like you're going crazy alone.
5. Get on a good diet: Avoid everything with sugar except fruit and avoid butter and oil (that's really all you need)
6. Keep/get your friends: Instead of trying to develop girlfriends, try to develop high quality male friends.
7. Cultivate hobbies: This could be anything, archery, pottery, painting, sculpting, whatever...preferably a social hobby
8. Get a motorcycle: Fuck cars, get a motorcycle and be a fucking man.

BrogueTrader40k · 2015-05-24T16:42:13+00:00

good luck but most importantly: keep thinking!

Swylves · 2015-05-24T16:48:13+00:00

the world doesn't owe me shit and i

Wrong-- you pay taxes, therefore the government DOES, in point of fact, owe you services in return for your paying their salaries.

The world would only not owe you anything if you lived in the mountains and didn't have to pay income or property taxes to anyone.

teiman · 2015-05-24T18:30:00+00:00

I give you a mandate, be true to yourself and have fun. Don't take other people opinions seriously, they are only opinions.. do what is right for you. Don't ask opinions to the fish about fishing.

oldredder · 2015-05-25T00:52:25+00:00

From an evolutionary perspective: Human's aren't monogamous

That's not true. Most of us are which is why both male & female sides of the relationship go batshit crazy when there's cheating. It's built into our DNA.

There's no reason to be angry. Fix what you can, avoid future dangers, repair damage that's already happened.

There's no reason to be lonely: once you realize you are safer and happier alone you'll prefer it.

I am angry because I have low self esteem I am angry because I don't have a sense of masculinity

Lift. Do things of value that increase your value to yourself. Hobbies, cooking, making things with tools, whatever.

I've spent so much of my life hoping/wishing/wanting to be successful with women, but I'm starting to realize how futile it is.

If you are genuinely ugly this is true. Otherwise it isn't true and you've just been doing it wrong. Watch the RSD videos on youtube from Todd Valentine, https://www.youtube.com/user/RSDTodd/videos , he'll fix you up.

Quit masturbation. I masturbate out of loneliness

That's a personal choice: I just have the urge to cum and if there's no girl to cum inside of, I'll do that instead.

scarredlife · 2015-05-24T10:37:55+00:00

You really seem to have trouble accepting yourself and way that your life went. Considering this, the points you've mentioned and having a identity crisis I really think that you should spend some time over at r/TRP instead of here. That way you could catch up to the things that you lack for now or have missed.

I think your problems are too deep-rooted to go your own way yet. Being mgtow starts by accepting yourself. I don't like the r/TRP guys at all but they could help you building up some masculinity. Please tell me your thoughts on this. I wish you strength to overcome this chapter in life.

2015-05-24T15:26:32+00:00

Mastering yourself will combat the anger and depression. Exercise (weights and cardio), meditate. Spend your time pursuing high value activities like learning, playing an instrument, writing (keep a journal), basically anything creative. Minimize or eliminate activities which are fun right now but give no lasting benefit like masturbating and playing video games.

caius_iulius_caesar · 2015-05-24T19:40:13+00:00

You know, I think you should read /r/TheRedPill as well as this sub.

You might find that you don't want to go the whole hog.

Morranaii · 2015-05-24T20:06:36+00:00

well, you mostly put it out all by yourself. as you have noticed, both relationships and marriage make no sense.

because what exactly is a relationship? two people pretending they are together so they became temporarily exclusive and believing that the other side is 'honest' (means not screwing someone else behind your back) - the longer you're with the girl, the more you're opening up to her, the more she knows you and what are your weak points and the better her emotional manipulation techniques can become. While you think that your relationship is 'deepening' and 'growing' she just slowly moves out from loving you into hating you/feeling pity/using you because you tend to look more and more useless/weak to her. exact opposite of what long commitment means for men.

I am angry because I have low self esteem

fake it till you make it. you're still VERY young albeit you might not realise that. when you will hit 30s you will know what I meant. I know it sounds silly but it's true. trust me on that one.

I am angry because I don't have a sense of masculinity

because you're just 20. a man is developed usually when he hits 35-40s. think about it.

I am angry because I've always wanted to experience 'being in love' but deep down I know it's a load of horse shit

yeah, no solution here. its terribly fucking sad truth, but at least you had the courage to take the red pill and go for the truth. this is always better than ignorance IMO.

I am angry because I've spent so much of my life hoping/wishing/wanting to be successful with women, but I'm starting to realize how futile it is.

after anger you will realise that you dont need a woman to be happy in life. that is a serious advantage.

I am angry because I wasn't outgoing/social/good looking when I was growing up. I felt rejected.

me neither. now I am. give yourself time. you have plenty of it.

I am angry because I don't even feel like a person. I am angry because I know that the world doesn't owe me shit and it's taken me this long to figure it out.

dude you figured this out very very early and you should be proud of it.

summa summarum ;) don't worry. raise your knowledge. be patient. learn how to take care of yourself. be careful with women. and that's it. you'd be okay :)

Falazure1 · 2015-05-25T11:05:16+00:00

Well, for starters, you were born male, define and adhere to your own vision of masculinity, part of being a man is independance, forward-thinking and making something of yourself....its all you, to hell with what anyone else thinks.

As for women? don't give them any thought what so ever, treat them the same as you would treat anyone else, which hopefully would be with a bit of descency and courtesy, beyond that you owe them nothing more than you owe anyone else at a glance. You have already discovered they are not worth more than that at any rate so that's the first step there.

As for the loneliness and anger, keep yourself busy and engaged; this can range from personal projects, working out, and gaming to hanging out with friends and family...as long as you are busy it will curb your thought on anything else and eventually that will all just pass.

Grompher · 2015-05-26T02:36:41+00:00

Dude! You can go everything right, be Alpha man with a cape or anything else imaginable. The end is the same. Women trying to pull shit on you.

Manipulation

Accusing you of infidelity

They will cry to get their way

The mothers pull their own shit(pathetic)

They cater to keep orbiters around

They justify any wrong they do and if cornered my personal favorite is "I don't want to talk about that right now."

It's your fault

They make fun of men no matter what

It goes on and on.

Also; if she ever disrespects you. In any way. Get out of there.

If she puts you second to anyone, get out!

2015-05-26T03:22:45+00:00

you've got to centralize yourself. I follow Patrice O'Neal's rules. Never love anyone more than yourself, and never get attached to anything you can't walk away from in 30 seconds flat (quote from Heat)

Title	I Am Deciding To Go My Own Way. However, I am Angry, Lonely, and Confused. Could Use Some Guidance/Advice
Author	goingmyownway92
Upvotes	29
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Date	May 24, 2015 4:52 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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