Stop spreading the MGTOW message ! It's wrong and against our interests

DigitalScetis · 2016-07-03T21:50:24+00:00

1) The dating and marriage strike is natural, is in accordance with self preservation, and in full accordance with the environmental pressures of the given time. The first law of natural selection is to survive, which is what this is about. The second law is to reproduce, but when you have more and more stories of men who are forced to support children who aren't theirs, from wives who do not have sex with them, dating and marriage does not fulfill the second law either in this day and age.

2) The only way we are ever going to become important to this society again is if we possess two things: disposable income and the freedom to spend it. Right now, most men don't have that. As a result, industries don't cater to our wants. But imagine if we have money, but women and the men who are with them don't. Now, we have economic power and social power over things like the motorcycle industry, the brewing industry, and the entertainment industry to give us a reason to spend that cash.

kempff · 2016-07-03T22:33:56+00:00

the tldr is as long as the post lol

Mgtowmike35 · 2016-07-04T03:09:02+00:00

Stop spreading the MGTOW message

Yeah, because we're all walking around the mall asking guys, "Have you heard the good news about our lord and savior barbarossaa?"

It's wrong and against our interests

Why exactly is [spreading the MGTOW message] wrong? What are "our" interests exactly?

My interest is in helping my friends achieve male sovereignty. I don't want their dignity taken by women, I don't want them to be manipulated out of their money, and I certainly don't want them to commit suicide after a divorce. If and when the time is appropriate (understanding nuance, obviously), I have and will continue to help these men awaken from Blue Pill manufactured reality.

everything else is interfering with natural selection and that just NEVER works

Except in dogs, horses, cattle, sheep, chickens, and almost all other domesticated animals. Your argument is based on a false premise.

not to mention how unfair it is to those whom had to learn the lesson the hard way or knew better all along

Learning from the mistakes of other people is a mark of intelligence. Fair-ness would imply competition and that's not what is taking place. It's not "unfair" because the circumstances preceded and were independent of the learners later acquired knowledge.

Imagine this analogy. You buy a shiny new motorcycle. While leaving the dealership, a sales representative in a wheelchair comes to you and says, "I have some advice for you.... keep both wheels on the ground. Wheelies are fun and they look sexy, but they're extraordinarily dangerous. I can't walk now because of a crash during a wheelie."

Is that wrong?

JStheHammer · 2016-07-04T20:02:46+00:00

MGTOW saves lives.

Mgtowmike35 · 2016-07-03T23:21:11+00:00

Truth is that we need as many people as possible advocating for right leaning politics and free market capitalism.

As this society becomes more communist you see intelligent people regulated to the dark corners of the Internet such as this. Smart people do not do well within corporations yet it's so hard today to start a business.

Without a renaissance of Adam Smith it will be the intelligent people that suffer the most as we are the most dangerous to the system.

We NEED to get the word out. Remember, more competition means lower prices and better products. Don't suppress he demand, suppress the system that hinders entrepreneurs to meet that demand without getting crushed by an international corporate monstrosity of a "business."

OldRoad · 2016-07-04T20:15:49+00:00

I have to respectfully disagree with the original post on this. I don't see how spreading information is interfering with natural selection. I don't think you would want every generation to have to re-invent and re-discover every new technology, for example.

I also believe in helping others. I don't think it's right that society isn't up front about the low chances of having a relationship that guys would want, that is also successful, for a large percentage of guys. You've got miserable guys out there, who think they are the only one that women don't like, when, in fact, that appears to be common. Then you've got the guys who can easily date attractive women, but find that the relationship often fails, and they still end up unhappy. Guys need to know that, even if they get what they think they want, they may later realize they might not really want that.

I don't see where natural selection has that much to do with it. To me, it's more about access to information. It's not some guy's fault that he doesn't have an older guy relative that knows about this stuff and can tell him. Why make guys' lives tougher by keeping them unaware of this information? I wish I had known these things years ago -- it could have saved me a lot of unnecessary unhappiness with myself, plus a lot of wasted time thinking that all I had to do was try harder if I wanted to date women that I was attracted to.

Plus, to be honest, the whole relationship world is a fairly unfair system. People get left out. People get ripped off from relationships. No one seems to care about asking if the system can be made better, or maybe we need to move into a post-romantic-relationship world, for many people. If enough guys go MGTOW, then maybe, just maybe, society will start to ask the questions that need to be asked: for example, "Is something wrong with the relationship world?" Sure, that gets talked about all the time on this group, but I don't think the mainstream has gotten comfortable with this topic yet (or maybe doesn't want to?).

Furedtards · 2016-07-04T05:39:52+00:00

I stopped reading after "interfering with natural selection". That shit just sounds so pretentious. That's why this sub is so stupid most of time. People talk out of their insecurity...and asses.

MrARichards · 2016-07-04T23:34:18+00:00

There is another way. Change can grow!

The martial arts are a great way to share and help one another. They are a great way to improve, learn, teach, and lead. You can find fellowship and ”turn the tables on this sad state of affairs”. I especially recommend “standing meditation” or “stance” training as part of the regimen. The results are: 1. Self-awareness 2. Self-development 3. Self-value 4. Increased balance (in all aspects of life) 5. Increased strength 6. Increased explosiveness in movement 7. Decreased reaction time 8. Self-realization in all aspects of life Martial meditation seems to have a narcotic effect while heightening insightfulness, understanding, and awareness to slight changes. And anyone can do it and achieve their potential. The reason why I mention this is that this method holds the key to MGTOW proliferation. After practicing martial meditation with the intent of physical balance and strong stance the concepts of balance and stability proliferate into other aspects of life: 1. Imbalance will become intolerable and will not be tolerated. 2. Subtle manipulation will be immediately identified and rejected. 3. “Shaming” means nothing beyond confirming the identity of your enemy.

“Balance” is the filter!! There is a reason why practicing and teaching martial arts was punishable by death during the Communist Revolution. It doesn’t take long after practicing martial meditation for changes to occur in ones mentality. It is virtually impossible to use men who practice this method. Men who practice this method can protect and develop their minds and bodies while enhancing their effectiveness at getting what they want in life. MGTOW values are inherent result of martial meditation. Martial arts can become a subversive method of spreading the values of MTOW among men. I teach a free class in the park to whoever wants to learn. I suggest that every man research “standing meditation” on line, start practicing, lift weights, do calisthenics, and practice a few fighting moves every day. Expensive fancy martial arts classes are not necessary. Share this idea with your friends focus on balance and enjoy the change!

nightshadez94 · 2016-07-04T11:03:55+00:00

Take your bullshit to r/thebluepill. Why should we put up with all that? I can show "natural selection" and society exactly where they can fuck themselves if need be.

Bartand · 2016-07-03T22:20:47+00:00

MGTOW is against capitalism and the government in the same time. So against both communism and capitalism. Both systems need you to consume and do what they want. MGTOW is about going your own way, not women nor government nor economical way.

Title	Stop spreading the MGTOW message ! It's wrong and against our interests
Author	AjaxFC1900
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Date	July 3, 2016 9:23 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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