A few questions.

AliveCat · 2014-09-03T22:52:51+00:00

Are you displeased with women or society as a whole or both? Why?

Meh. I don't despise women in general, but I've found them to usually be annoying. Most of them aren't all that physically attractive to me, and the ones that are know it and expect you to work hard (read: spend money) for the pleasure of having their company. Society is pretty fucked up in its current state -- so yes, you could say I am displeased with it.

Would you live in a womanless society or not? Why?

I would. Imagine how much more free time we'd all have without them. I'd wager much more than half of our national (USA) GDP is spent on females. Pretty to look at while they're young. Fun to fuck a couple of times until it gets old. Other than that, what's the point? Now, I can say that for today's women... all the above would not apply to previous generations for obvious reasons.

Do you subscribe to "redpill theory"? Are there non-redpill MGTOW?

It works, I used to use it. Just don't feel the need to anymore. Think its a 30 and younger game to be played. Sooner or later, you grow up and realize the pussy isn't worth the effort.

Did you become MGTOW randomly or was it influenced by a bad experience with your peers/society/women?

Distrusted women to begin with. Got screwed over in very bizzarre relationship/marriage. Distrust has substantially increased.

Does you family/friends/acquaintes know about your stance on relationships? What do they think?

Parents definitely agree. They've said they don't see the point of getting married in today's world. They are still happily married. Well, I guess happily is a relative term... but after 34 years, divorce seems counter productive.

What would be your terms if you "opted in" to dating?

Each party has to give approval for credit report and background check to be released to the other party. Each party pays for their own expenses during dates, etc. I shouldnt be expected to buy her a meal... unless she's a prostitute but then that's not dating, it's a business proposition. ...thats not to say I wouldnt object to paying for a meal if enjoyable sex is guaranteed, I just suspect the woman would rather get paid a set amount instead of "a meal and movie ticket".

I don't want to be expected to buy gifts. They aren't doing me a service by dating me. All of this applies to both parties. We would have to be equals in the relationship. The relationship must be mutually beneficial...

How has going you own way impacted your life? Do you spend more time with friends, family, pets or hobbies? Are your hobbies popular or niche?

I have lots more time. I'm in incredibly good physical shape because I have time to work out every day on my own schedule, and because I decide what's on the menu at all times. All $90k of my yearly salary goes to me and my hobbies and my future goals -- I consult with no one but myself. I'll have a pet one day when I settle down into something more permanent. I'm 33 and I'm strongly considering going back to college full time for 2 years to get another bachelor degree and start a new career at a much lower salary. That would not have been possible in my marriage.

Are there other guys who have gone their own way in your social circle? Did you meet them before or after becoming MGTOW?

Nope. But then again, my social circle is quite small. I'm an introvert.

Do you believe that some of MGTOW's goals are unrealistic?

Goals? Such as breaking the machine by not contributing the fruits of our labor to women? I think going Galt is a valid strategy. Society is going to collapse eventually anyways from all the "bullshit".

Would you want your current government and society to "wipe the slate clean".

I think the government and society at large are part of the same slate that needs a good wiping down... it'll likely happen in my lifetime. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. Carpe diem.

phengineer · 2014-09-04T03:58:56+00:00

Yeah. Mostly in that any degree of participation that I have is a purely parasitic relationship. i.e. I don't get anything out of it. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part, I think both women and society harm me on the whole.
Sure, in a sense. I don't feel like the women I interact with regularly add anything unique. On the other hand a sexless society could be a little weird.
I've browsed redpill. It seems to at least have empirical success. My impression was that a redpiller will use that theory to attract and sleep with more women, while a MGTOW simply doesn't care. Applying redpill theory means that I would have to learn it, practice it, apply it, and the end result is supposedly a parade of pussy. I've had reasonable success with women and enjoy sex, but I just don't value it to the point of wanting to jump through all those hoops, be it standard dating, or redpill.
I had a particularly bad experience with my last long term relationship. Lying, sleeping with my friends, exposing of secrets, lying, did I mention lying? I was in a pretty distrustful phase, and over the next year spent some time trying to pick up women and had a number of one night stands. I came to realize just how much time and energy and thought I was putting into it and saw that the benefits simply didn't justify the costs. So I quit the game. I'm not a typical MGTOW in the sense that I haven't ruled out a future long term relationship, just that it's not worth it to me to pursue one, and that I've redefined my self worth to strictly depend on factors I can control (read: not success with women).
I'm mostly closeted. I've explained to friends that I'm single and not looking, but that's about it.
Echoing everyone else, simple equality. I recently was dating someone casually. No money exchanged, no expectations, I treated it as a normal person who would sometimes booty call me. She wanted to move to a more serious relationship that included what I considered an unequal exchange, I countered with my own terms, and they were unacceptable, so that ended.
I've gained a huge number of hobbies and my life is a lot more spontaneous. I'm able to make decisions at a moment's notice and not have them affect anyone. I'm able to not worry about if my dress is attractive enough or if the girl I'm talking to might be interested in sleeping with me or not. Overall, less stress, more fun.
Nope
I think they're all pretty reasonable. Men are hilariously overtaxed and overregulated for what we receive in return. Any reduction is good. The second goal is qualitative, so it's hard to measure, and is also quite reasonable.
Unsure what that means. All I want is to live my own life with as little being taken from me as possible as I do it.

2014-09-03T22:24:33+00:00

i'll bite

my story is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/2f9xi9/why_are_you_a_mgtow/

yes i am displeased with women because in most circumstances they expect men to do all the work (in relationship, dating, and working, paying). i wish there was more of an equal interaction of the sexes instead of making man the disposable one that she can replace the next day the second he becomes 'faulty' and uses courts to ruin his life in the process. i see women as over-valued goods, and men as under-valued providers. I guess I can blame biology for this circumstance, maybe artificial wombs will help balance power between men and women? Society - I don't really give a shit about society it can go fuck itself. i feel this way because society sees me as "disposable/replaceable"
i would not like to live in a women less society, I would then be scared of getting raped anally by other horny men when there are no women around. women fulfill an important need for a society to be healthy. a release of men's built-up sexual needs.
i find the redpill highly entertaining for stories of women fucking men over, just so I can say "Yep. dodged bullets." I don't say i would subscribe to redpill theory I don't think women are inferior I just think they are selfish like everyone else, but a women is given more opportunity to express her selfishness in today's society (with divorce rapings and whatnot). i would say i am non-redpill but i read it for fun
i've already been divorced and got out unscathed. my only experience with women is them rejecting me. after enough rejections a man just has to say "fuck this" and go his own way, my wife was an anomaly and may have even been emotionally predatory on me (ie she saw me as 'weak'). personal bad experience with women combined with the internet's bad experience with women (just browse redpill or mgtowhq forums).
my family has no clue that i have given up the relationship search, although i told them i'm not dating for now. they don't understand mgtow and if they did they might even be concerned for me
my terms is simply a fair playing ground. the women has to be just as interested as the man is, not afraid to make moves, etc. women would have to be a decent human being.
much more time with family every weekend. just more freetime to do whatever i want with. i do programming
no, but maybe soon if i can convince him lol
i honestly didn't know there were 'goals.' i don't care about limited government. i agree with #2 on sidebar. i don't know what #3 means.
i believe that if we started from a clean state as a society, we would ultimately be better off in the longterm but screwed in the short term. we could use modern technologies like internet voting to make democratic decisions and citizens could hold "virtual office" and be able to make a real impact and difference. the cynical side of me thinks everything would basically turn out the same way however.

TheWanderingFalcon · 2014-09-04T00:18:08+00:00

I don't believe I am necessarily displeased with women; I believe all people have a tendency towards selfishness, it is simply that women are currently more capable and enabled in acting selfishly. People have long thought of women as the gender to be "protected" and whatnot from men/the dangers of the world (women and children first, anyone?), and that men should be the ones waging and fighting the wars and engaging activities and relationships towards/ for the passive women. I don't see this notion changing, despite the equality we do share now. I don't hate society, I just think it's too far behind reality.
I would not mind living in a womanless society, but not a womanless world.
If we regard "redpill theory" as what I know to be "taking the red pill" and understanding the flaws that exist in society and people, yes. If we're talking "game" and manipulating women for relationships/sex/whatever, then I do not subscribe to that ideology.
I suppose my transition was "random" enough. At some point I felt tired and bored of the effort I had to put in to make and maintain a relationship while it felt like I was the only one doing the work to do so. I typed my feelings of being "done with women" into google, a blogger came up with his declaration of going MGTOW, I did some research and, well, now I'm here.
My family doesn't know, simply because it hasn't come up yet (I anticipate it will in the coming years), though I have stated many times thar I will never marry or have children. They brushed it off as a joke each time, or said "you'll find that special someone eventually." I believe only my grandmother fully understands that I am serious, but she sees it as more of a dislike of women nowadays than anything. She's not entirely wrong, though.
No mindgames: tell me what they want when they want it and what they're really thinking, and I'll do the same, and we'll compromise what we need to. Whatever belongs to one person stays that way. Anything I pay for is mine, they keep their stuff. No kids, period.
Like the other men here, free time has gone up, and stress has gone down. I hate clubs and prefer to eat at home. Most of the movies I watch are on the internet, and I go out to do things with friends/family/myself when I want to. I don't have to worry about the feelings of others or consider how much attention they may want.
I tested the waters once when sex and marriage came up in conversation. Some were understanding (but I know still chase after women), the others thought I'd lost my damn mind. That was that. I'm not converting people, but I'll say what I think whenever the subject comes up.
People, especially large groups, won't change their ways easily. MGTOW would have to be probably a fair deal larger than the herbivore men movement in Japan before we saw society do anything about the state of things. Even then, the first reaction would be backlash against us for not abiding by the absolutely wonderful system they have provided us with (/s). If our goals are to be met, it will be many many years from now, and will take many many years before the shame ends (it'll stick around like racism though, I imagine).
Fuck if I know what "wipe the slate" means. If that means people will be treated as equals and will have to see each other as equals, our government would need power on par with a deity. If that means no more divorce financial rape , yay. If that means the selective service is no longer a thing, oorah. If that means they can repair the lives of the men whose lives have been destroyed without empathy or mercy, or children who grew up fatherless beause of their mother's actions can undo the damage done to them, if all issues to do with gender bias or at the expense of an innocent could magically become better... who wouldn't say yes?

Title	A few questions.
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Date	September 3, 2014 9:26 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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