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This isn’t true from what I’ve learned

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Title This isn’t true from what I’ve learned
Author originalnamecreator
Upvotes 174
Comments 62
Date 12 October 2019 07:17 PM UTC (11 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/707627
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[–]Super-Chick36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy

Athena is one of the gods/goddesses known to be an asshole. She did something similar to a woman named “Arachne” as punishment for being better than she was at silk weaving.

[–]Call_me_Lianma2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's Arachne

[–]Super-Chick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry I was typing in a rush.

[–]GooseMan12637 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

She had consensual sex with Posidon in a temple to Athena, and when Athena saw it, she was so angry that she turned her into Medusa. It's the story of a man using a woman to get revenge on someone, and when said person gets upset, they punish whoever they can. Since you can't really punish a god, you just have to settle for punishing a mortal.

[–]De_Bananalove0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It wasn't consensual sex, in that version of the story Poseidon raped Medusa in Athena's temple. Then since Athena is unable to punish another god she punished Medusa instead

But there is also a version of the myth were Medusa was never a human but was born a monster

[–]Spiderbendy16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don’t pay attention to those sorta stories. Whats the real story tho?

[–]Happysegway19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

She and Poseidon had sex in Athena’s temple, and Athena turned her into a monster for revenge.

[–]originalnamecreator[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

If I remember correctly the one I heard was she was a self centered lady who looked pretty and one day the gods and goddesses got fed up and made her ugly

[–]vviviann21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

God you just butchered that story lol, that’s not it in the slightest

here’s the brief version of the true story

[–]originalnamecreator[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. Wasn’t very good at mythology

[–]aminnim2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was Athena who did it

[–]ezekiel31039824 points25 points  (31 children) | Copy

Poseidon raped her in Athena's temple, and Athena, enraged, cursed her to look so hideous that men turned to stone upon seeing her.

[–]GooseMan12627 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy

He didn't rape her. They had sex because he wanted to get back at Athena. It wasn't rape

[–]GTFonMF21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well yeah. She changed her mind about the sexual encounter. Therefore, rape. /s

[–]GooseMan1263 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

She changed her mind when? After she got turned into a monster?

[–]GTFonMF6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably after she sobered up and the guy wasn’t as attractive or as wealthy as she thought.

[–]Some_Boi115 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol. He was joking u/GooseMan126

[–]ed46495 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Any penetration by a man is rape.

/s

[–]GooseMan1264 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, I get it!! You're an ironic radfem!

[–]De_Bananalove0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No it was rape, in no version of the myth did they ever have consensual sex

[–]ReaperManX157 points8 points  (21 children) | Copy

That is a completely fictional story.

In the actual religious text Medusa is a born monster.

Gorgon from birth, never a human.

[–]HBenedek381 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Wait, really? Wow, that's strange. Why would they invent a backstory for a creature that has existed in folklore for centuries?

Makes you think - just how much influence did these characters have? Perhaps even greater than fictional superheroes, who already command millions of the population.

[–]ReaperManX151 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Artistic license by a poet centuries later, probably trying to make a more interesting character then random monster encounter.

It's like God Of War being made out of bits of Greek mythology, but mainly just for "because it's cool" reasons.

[–]HBenedek380 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

That makes sense. But do you think there were communities centered around preserving or curating the lore, like with modern comic book characters? I can't imagine changing the backstory of a character from "just a monster" to "evil Poseido seducing her so that Athena turns her into a monster" not rustling any feather.

[–]ReaperManX150 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Given that the incorrect version is the one that endures today and is even taught in schools, I would have to say probably not. It also wouldn't be to hard to believe for a commoner, the Olympians were notoriously assholes. And we are talking about a society where only the rich and elite can afford things like literature, let alone read.

[–]HBenedek381 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't want to draw unproven parallels, but I just want to point out that there's something happening in the current comicbook/superhero genre right now - that is, creators and journalists alike "conspired" against the consumers to forward political ideologies. The majority of the core consumers ("fans") are against it, but since the general public just can't be bothered enough, they accept the change.

The same could be true with the Greeks. It makes sense that they had flawed gods. But it's kind of hard to believe that Greek gods were just created to be total assholes - which they appear to be. Would it be possible that there was a cultural shift somewhere doen the line that resulted in storytellers deliberately giving Greek gods a bad name? Could this possibly be the result of the Christianisation of Rome and Greece? It would make sense for the church to try and portray greek gods in a negative light.

[–]ReaperManX150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, in the oldest documentation of the myths found, predating Christianity by several millennia, the Olympian Gods were often willfully cruel, capricious and would kill or ruin peoples lives out of pride, jealousy, spite or just because. Ex: Zeus conjured a storm to hide form Olympus' view him chasing down and raping a girl, when Hera goes to investigate Zeus turns her into a cow to cover his tracks. Hera figures it out immediately and demands the "cow" as a gift for her garden and leaves the girl like that for several years. Cow-girl escapes so Hera sends straight up Demons, the Furies, to hound her to death but relents at the last second because it was taking to long and she got bored.

The idea of untouchable all powerful entity being kind or generous is a very modern idea. The idea of Mother Earth as a gentle, caring, loving and motherly being is based on nothing, since in nearly all religious myths nature gods / goddess are destructive, vicious and cruel to anything that isn't green.

As for the comic book parallel, I agree. Just look at how Wonder Woman and the Amazons have 50 dozen personalities, natures and origins. One version: Amazons want to just live their immortal lives on their island alone and in peace. If a guy washes up on shore, treat his wounds, give him an escort and send him home. Peace and love. Version two: Once a decade the Amazons leave their island, find sailors, have sex to propagate their race and then kill them all.

Guess which one is the more recent version.

[–]ezekiel3103980 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Later era mythology introduced the story.

[–]DemocratTears20204 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

SJWs always retcon other people's works.

[–]ReaperManX151 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The formerly human Medusa origin story was first seen in a book called The Metamorphosis written by an ancient Roman poet named Ovid who also wrote fiction. He was not a theologian.

[–]0dineye-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

In the actual religious text

Um, I don't think that exists, but I would love to investigate your source

[–]ReaperManX150 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

It's Greek Mythology. It's not a storybook or fairy tale, it is a legitimate ancient religion. Just like Norse Mythology is a religion, Hindu mythology is a religion and Christian mythology is a religion. Mythology is defined as a collection of myths, belonging to a particular religion.

Regardless I understand the desire for verification. So, just search for "The Metamorphosis" by an ancient Roman poet named Ovid. That is the first appearance of Medusa's origin story as a former human priestess. In all previous records she is just a monster, with a magic petrifying gaze, that is slain by Perseus.

[–]0dineye-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

That's what I was afraid you were going to say :(

Ovid just wrote down his versions of popular stories and put a theme to it. It's like saying The Grimm Fairy Tales or Veggie Tales are religious texts.

[–]ReaperManX15-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Ovid used elements from the Grecian religion to concoct his own story, just like how the movie "Clash of the Titans" is a completely fictitious story that utilizes Greek mythological elements. Ovid was not a theologian, he was a story writer. The story that involves Medusa is her being a monster slain by Perseus, that is the only story that mentions her and it no different, as a religious story, than Amaterasu and the Cave , the Buddhas Spider Silk or Noah's Ark . But trying to pass Ovid's version as legitimate Greek mythology is like trying to say that "The Journey to the West" comes from actual Buddhist holy scriptures. The myths of the Olympian Gods and Greek heroes is an actual ancient religion that is no longer practiced in the mainstream. There are temples to the Gods, ancient scrolls that describe how to make offerings and sacrifices to the Gods, and thousands of personal journals, vases, statues, frescoes and other mediums depicting priests preforming rites and rituals as well as ceremonies and festivals to the Gods. This is a religion and in that religion the story that involves Medusa is NOT the one written by Ovid, a Roman poet born literally millennia after the stories first accounted telling.

[–]0dineye0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

It's not a storybook or fairy tale, it is a legitimate ancient religion.

So, just search for "The Metamorphosis" by an ancient Roman poet named Ovid.

But trying to pass Ovid's version as legitimate Greek mythology is like trying to say that "The Journey to the West" comes from actual Buddhist holy scriptures.

You're the one that brought Ovid into it and cited it as your source. You have made yourself look foolish as well as validated my position. You seem well educated on this topic so I'm sure you know as well as I do that The Greek Mythos is called that because of its breadth and depth but isn't uniform. It's not one religion, but a bunch of small ones. It's as disingenuous as saying that Christianity and Islam are just flavors of Jew.

It's kinda like Batman or Spiderman. Which one is the most legit one? The answer is that they are all as legit as each other, making none of them a true cannon. It's a concept or idea. Having your own interpretation is encouraged, where as it isn't in religion.

[–]ReaperManX150 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I thought you were asking me to cite my source of the "Medusa was raped by Poseidon" story as being incorrect and fictitious which is why I said ;

"The Metamorphosis" by an ancient Roman poet named Ovid. That is the first appearance of Medusa's origin story as a former human priestess."

Whereas in all other versions, the actual religious ones, she is just a monster. Ovid's is the only one where she was once human. He made it up entirely.

[–]0dineye1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

No I was challenging the "actual religious texts" notion, seeing as most everything is written way later. Hesiod’s Theogony is a pretty good source for what would have been considered the more religious aspects of the Mythos, but it's not like there was a lot of interactions between the cults. Zues' cult was really fricken small compared to most of the others. The Hermetics were the best recorded. It wasn't until Roma came into the picture that they started to reference other mythos and gods. That probably why Dionysis has such a spotty and weird spot.

[–]ReaperManX150 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I see, if I had understood you more clearly I would have recommended The Theogony. In terms of modern comprehension it's a fairly decent source.

On another note have you ever hear of the YouTube channel "Overly Sarcastic Productions" ? In addition to making little cartoons of ancient Myths she also makes videos about the histories of the Gods and how the versions we have today most likely came about.

Here is Dionysus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5brAr51ip_k

Aphrodite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIUq0pfAskU

And Hermes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg_Wi4RpKVY

She's very good at citing sources, even if it comes with a grain of conjecture.

[–]gendalf-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah.. arguing over a fantasy.

Athena jealous of medusa's beauty and popularity, rivaling her own. Medusa had sex with her rival - Poseidon - in the Athena's temple - I guess an insult to Athena, besides sleeping with a god kinda validated her beauty in the eyes of Athena making her even more furious.

[–]0dineye0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Posidon was a lover, unlike Zues. He didn't rape her.

[–]DemocratTears20202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

locked with no comments

we know yall wont behave

[–]MikePencil69_v22 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I forgot that sub existed

[–]DemocratTears20203 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It really proves they aren't the fairer sex.

[–]Super-Chick2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They aren’t the smarter one either.

[–]ReaperManX152 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The story of Medusa being human turned monster is completely fictional.

As in, in terms of the Grecian religion, it's about as accurate as God Of War.

Medusa was a monster from birth. The only mortal sister of the Gorgans, slain by Perseus and her head chained to Athena's shield to keep it out of mortal hands.

[–]RegumRegis6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

So poseidon raped her in Athens temple and then the Female goddess Athena cursed her. The story can be spun both ways.

[–]GooseMan12611 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

It wasn't rape though. It was to get back at Athena

[–]Virtual-Knight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the story I heard about Medusa, there was no sex of any kind whatsoever. She was turned into a gorgon as punishment for desecrating a temple belonging to one of the goddesses out of jealousy for her beauty.

[–]Big_Doot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That whole subreddit is a goddamn gold mine for feminist rants

[–]LilDickCasper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love that all these posts are locked for us. It's the reddit equivalent to making a wrong point and then shouting and screaming "la la la" with your fingers in your ears.

[–]whoooo0cares5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

No what they mean by "raped" is she was banging gods and was getting an entitled attitude and when they got sick of her bullshit they stopped paying attention to her so then she cried "rape" then got turned into a horrible monster.

EDIT: LMAO @ the downvotes! I'm surprised this is getting downvoted in an anti feminist sub because what I described is exactly what happens so much in today's society with modern women. Another shitty subreddit that isn't what it claims to be.

[–]Edd_M0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She got turned into a monster by another woman though

[–]Ferretninja0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is not even remotely the story

[–]myprivateaccount120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dang but medusa kinda fine tho😏



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