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Is Feminism technically a Hate Group?

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May 6, 2020
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Title Is Feminism technically a Hate Group?
Author Egalitarianwhistle
Upvotes 395
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Date 06 May 2020 09:50 PM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/710005
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/geteoj/is_feminism_technically_a_hate_group/
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[–]SquJoe48 points49 points  (3 children) | Copy

it hurts to see how accurate this is and it’s even worse to imagine such a big group that lets their members easily get away with it every wrong action imaginable done by them. they can ALWAYS justify themselves if they play their cards right, is it safe to say they kinda won?

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, but victory is how they lose. People lose interest. People began to see the corruption set in.

But of course feminism was always going to win. Humans are gynocentric after all. Feminists take advantage of this to always fight for more special privileges and protections for themselves.

They are so succesful at it that men are starting to wake up to the fact that they make up 90% of the prison population. 75% of the homeless population. 75% of suicides. 94% of workplace deaths. Only 40% of those enrolled in college.

Feminism's success is its downfall. It turn out that women have it better than men by almost every conceivable metric in society.

Even the earnings gap boils down to the cultural expectation that men care for, and financially support, their mates.

[–]RockmanXX6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

People lose interest. People began to see the corruption set in.

THIS, the best thing about Post-2010 era is the amount of distrust people have grown to develop for the traditional forms of media. Now any average person can raise awareness by just using a mobile phone, the vested interests have lost the deathgrip over public information they used to have.

[–]SquJoe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

wise words man, coulndt agree more

[–]rbecker2605 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think feminism makes women feel entitled and important something they can fight for. I believe their ancestor drove it into their heads they are being mistreated and it never got out instead the opposite happened it went in so deep that it’s the opposite of what it stood for equality and back in the 1920s women wanted to be along side men and they became along side them. only now to see all THEIR hard work make feminism the opposite of what is was meant to be oh how far these “ feminists” have fallen . I understand their are people with their arguments and that’s ok what’s not ok is about up in our faces and disrespectful some can be about it. Some of us have to keep being an MRA a secret so we don’t get attacked mean while if somebody says there a feminist they get praised so yes feminism is a hate group now. The crazy feminist have shamed their ancestors and all women on the feminist side who respect our opinions.

[–]chambertlo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism, in its current state, is a dangerous hate group. Yes, yes it is.

[–]RkrhBjwujkie4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, modern day feminism is for sure.

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[–]Diogenes--2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

retaliating with the same intensity when they do something crazy

I'd suggest not doing this. In fact, I suggest interacting as little as possible with them. Never forget, if you piss them off, they can lie to the Cuck Squad (police) and say you assaulted them. You're pretty much fucked at that point.

If a chimpanzee at the zoo tried to start beef with you, you wouldn't get into a fight with it, would you? Actually it would kick your ass, chimps are strong af o.O But that's besides the point. The point is it's a dumb animal and not worth your time. And chimps are way smarter and more logical than women.

I don't look at them, talk to them, or anything, if possible. If they try to chat with me, I smile & nod, but say little. If they ask about my relationship status, I say I'm asexual. You can also throw in some other stuff here which repels them, but doesn't upset them. Talk a lot about your mom and how close you are to her, and how you live with her and care for her. Instant turnoff. Same if you start asking her about whether she's formed a personal relationship with Jesus. There are plenty of safe ways out of interacting with them.

My life is fucking awesome thanks to staying the hell away from the psycho devil gender, I don't wanna fuck that up by going to prison for something I didn't do.

Btw, r/MGTOW

[–]FeniZio948 points9 points  (48 children) | Copy

Modern feminism is.... Early feminism wasn't

That's why modern feminism is accused of being marxist at its core

[–]SeizmicETC1 point2 points  (47 children) | Copy

Early feminism...like the white feather campaign or getting women the vote without having to be subjected to the draft, which Men still had to agree to, to be able to vote?

That feminism?

[–]FeniZio94-2 points-1 points  (46 children) | Copy

No early feminism as the philosophy of early feminism

[–]SeizmicETC0 points1 point  (45 children) | Copy

Lol wat?

[–]FeniZio940 points1 point  (44 children) | Copy

Yeah there’s a huge difference in doctrines my friend

[–]SeizmicETC0 points1 point  (43 children) | Copy

So.....early feminism isn't the suffragette movement (like we were taught in school) and they didn't get Women the right to vote without the responsibility of being subject to the draft?

Interesting. So what "early feminism" doctrine are you referring to?

Is this gonna be one of those hurr durr the dictionary says this arguments the feminists of today use when shown evidence of man hating in their ideology?

[–]FeniZio94-1 points0 points  (42 children) | Copy

No

There was an entire pre - first wave feminist movement

What it is now it’s simply a fucking cancer

[–]SeizmicETC0 points1 point  (41 children) | Copy

Okay, could you kindly describe the movement you're talking about and name some of the vocal advocates for said movement, detailing exactly what they did to fight for "gender equality".

I've listed a factual example of pre - first wave feminists, they were the suffragettes and just as cancerous as the feminists of today.

You're making claims without evidence.

[–]FeniZio94-2 points-1 points  (40 children) | Copy

You can look for François Poullain de la Barre.

He was one of the early feminist advocates, and an aspiring priest I believe.

John Stuart Mill was another impulsar of feminism in the UK

See there’s a huge difference between the rhetoric of early feminism and now... I do agree that most western women have been pampered for centuries and they don’t really realize what oppression is

[–]SeizmicETC0 points1 point  (39 children) | Copy

Your example is two men from the 16-1870s who had no political affiliation with any kind of feminist group or "doctrine".

Yeah, no.

[–]SamuelJones215210 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Feminism has become a hate group...

[–]JZSquared18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]KindPrecise2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course it’s a hate group. It’s an authoritarian dictatorship that tells women and men how they should behave

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[–]Omar-Elsayed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Really unrelated but I agree.

[–]RyansPutter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a hate group, it's a hateful ideology.

[–]daisjavu1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

As a feminist, I don’t advocate for any of the above. Before you downvote, ask me any questions you’d like and I’ll try my best to answer them truthfully though I can only represent myself, not the wider feminist movement (and I don’t believe anyone could speak for that)

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I upvoted because I respect your attempt to establish a dialogue.

What do you do to call out or confront feminists who are clearly sexist? I can accept your claim that you don't hate men but the reason so many believe that feminism is about hating men is that so many feminists say they hate men.

For example

It seems to me that feminism took a wrong step when they declared that it's just not possible to be sexist against men. It is my opinion that hating someone based on immutable characteristics is always wrong.

[–]daisjavu1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Well that’s a really difficult one, but as a rule I would say if you’re sexist in any way then you’re not a feminist and can’t claim to be.

Despite the word the way I advocate for feminism is for the clear, distinct understanding that both sexes are equal whilst simultaneously not ignoring the biological, emotional and physical differences that we all have. (Example; whilst female runners and male runners are physically different and have different personal bests etc both should be treated with as much respect and paid equally)

It’s difficult to get through to the mentality a woman is in to get to the state of hating an entire gender, but it usually comes from a lot of pain and is defended with a lot of anger. It’s almost like a phobia of sorts, not to equate men with dogs but if someone as a child has been attacked by a dog, they may grow up hating or scared of dogs because of a traumatic experience. That is hard to disentangle as a single person, and more often than not a stranger. That’s not something that I personally want to stick my nose into. But I would ask, as I do myself, for them to speak as an individual, not an entire movement. But it’s really difficult and frustrating to come across such a person, so such patience may not always be present, as I’m acutely aware of the damage this rhetoric they spread do for most feminists who do not share their opinions. Unfortunately those with the most extreme views, tend to have the loudest voices.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Well articulated. Another question would involve asking why feminists in positions of power often use that power to advocate for women to the detriment of men.

I think Karen Straughan, a famous antifeminist, put it best.

[–]daisjavu1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is a fascinating and really disturbing read, thank you!

These women seem to me to be piggybacking on a movement that has gained a lot of traction in recent years, with the message getting skewed in the process. A lot of them know if they play their cards right and manipulate the system, they can come out on top. A lot of them know that if you stick the word “feminist” to yourself, a rally of women will rush to their defence over anything. No matter how harmful their statements or actions have been.

While feminism is in no way a religion, I think sometimes people’s uses of it mirror how one may use religion. Some use it to better understand and be empathetic of others, and help those around them. My partner for instance, is a very proud feminist and he shows that in how he raises his daughter. It’s things like learning to be respectful of all people in the same way, to not expect a certain thing of herself or other people just because of their gender, and to stick up for herself and others. Then there are those who use it to justify their own prejudices and hatred, the “feminazis” (I don’t know if that’s a dated reference or not, whatever they’re called now). The people who get so caught up in their own needs from feminism that they ignore when they’re wrong and they excuse their own actions in the name of it, because “how could I be wrong? I’m a feminist.” That kind of bullshit. You can’t shun them out, you can’t stop them using that word, they’re going to keep using it because it’s a shield to them. “No I’m not sexist, I’m a feminist”. “You hate me because of the patriarchy/ because I’m a woman/ because I’m assertive”. And they may very well believe they are being the best feminist in the world but they are not by any rational definition (be it societal or even if they looked in a dictionary) a feminist. It’s a very clever disguise used by very selfish people who want nothing but power, if they see they can gain that power over men then great, but I bet you they’d just as happily step over women to get to where they want to be because they only care for themselves.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree that feminism functions as a value system similar to religion. I would say if it makes you a better person I am all for it. However, just as an atheist will continue to criticize and hold the church accountable, anti-feminists attempt to hold academic feminists accountable and to criticize the flaws in their logic.

I stopped being a feminist and became an antifeminist when a close friend was falsely accused of rape. I had evidence but all of my former friends refused to look at it. They "believed" women.

Later I found out that she has a history of false accusations and of sexually assaulting men while drunk. Yet to this day nobody has reached out to my friend or to me to apologize.

Many will say that's because for years women weren't believed etc etc. but I call bullshit.

Forcible rape, (along with all other violent crimes has been dropping steadily for decades.) Recently the definition of rape was changed so that force or threat of force has been removed from the definition.

Now the definition is much broader. However, statistically, based on the new definition, women rape about as often as men. (CDC NISVS 2010-2012 12 month data; also https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/503492/)

But this change has been catastrophized to appear as a crisis requiring the removal of due process rights. Unfortunately most countries have a gendered rape law. Also the stigma of rape is culturally gendered. So when women violate a man's consent, it is considered funny. https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/?fbclid=IwAR05MQhJFkl1rlEcctROqfMIM34Xe2_8usgohA6D7l5cH5jxYhUgTMxVjSA

When Amy Schumer brags about doing the same thing as Brock Turner, the audience laughs. What's frustrating to me is that the very people, feminists, who should be unpacking asymmetrical stigma of rape are instead making it worse by slogans like #believewomen

In this whole process in the last two years, I have come to recognize that I have been rape by three women in my life- all of them self identified feminists. They woke me up with penetrative sex when I could not consent. This has made me realize that the new (feminist) definition of rape is both overly broad amd selectively enforced. We don't assume trauma for a man who wakes up at a party with his penis in a strange woman's mouth. I'm fact I am not even claiming trauma other than to say there is a clear and undeniable double standard that fills me with rage against the self righteous attitudes of modern day "anti-rape" feminists.

The idea that one gender should be believed over another gender is anathema to gender equality.

[–]daisjavu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it’s a really bad idea to attribute one mentality to a potential crime that has so many variables. I understand the intent of this “always believe women” mentality but it is ultimately problematic. If you are claiming to be a feminist, then you should want women to be believed just as much as men. This does not mean only listening to the woman’s side of thing, and blocking out any defence a man may have in response, that is not gender equality. I believe this is an attempt at equity, making up for parts of history where women telling the truth have not been believed because they did not have the power the “offending” man had at the time. Reparations for this should happen to women who have been proven to be right in history, not women claiming to be telling the truth now.

A couple years ago I was raped by all definitive standards. I was drunk, partially unconscious at multiple points and told him no a lot. But because of lack of evidence, he was never taken to trial or even given a slap on the wrist and while that was disheartening for me, I knew how the law works. If it’s his word against mine, then that’s the end of it. In a court of law, no one is going to believe me more than him as we are both as likely to lie as each other. I will not get the “always believe women” mentality by the judge, because that would be irresponsible of them to do so. They need evidence. I didn’t have it, so case closed. I’m okay with that. I can’t do any more from there but hope bringing it to light helps him reevaluate his actions.

[–]tw1nm3t30r1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dunno, is having cancer just a minor inconvenience?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm curious, what historical revisionism does feminism use?

[–]Radikost4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women never had vote rights. Couldn’t ever get a job etc etc

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That throughout history, women have been treated like chattel by men. That men throughout history have not loved and provided for their mothers, sisters, wives and and daughters but have sociopathically treated them like scum.

That the summarized history of humanity is men oppressing women.

[–]NecromancherJola0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I can’t find the source given by the photo. Could you kindly share a source please?

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry man, I screen grabbed it from the internet. Can't remember where.

[–]NecromancherJola0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok mate thanks anyway.

[–]Diogenes--0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

  • Laws which punish innocent people for being born a certain way = hate laws

  • Any group responsible for hate laws = a hate group

  • VAWA and Title IX are federal US laws which punish innocent men

  • VAWA and Title IX exist, in their current form, because of feminist pressure on the democrats

  • Thus feminism is a hate group, and the democrat party is a hate party

Here's a great post by another poster. I've made an informative top-level comment in that thread, where I quote both myself and another good post by someone else (both from a different thread).



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