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Title TeRrIfIeD
Author Arteemiis
Upvotes 303
Comments 58
Date 19 March 2020 02:29 PM UTC (7 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/710119
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/flawse/terrified/
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[–]Incelvester69 points70 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'd be uncomfortable. Look at them the wrong way or say the wrong thing and your reputation is destroyed forever.

[–]evega9834 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only that, they can make up some false rape allegations or something of the sort and you could spend some jail time or even worse. We live on a women world now

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

I work with only women, and I have to look like I have tunnel vision. They also have cameras, so if I accidentally look the camera might catch me.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Change jobs.

[–]Gribbo6950 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking idiots.

[–]the-unflattering-635 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuckin' idiots.

[–]Ourmutant37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao social media feminists are so afraid of the boogeyman that only exists in their minds

[–]pandolfio29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

What they don't seem to get is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course, if you brainwash every woman in the country that men are dangerous predators, then any encounter with them is going to be awkward. And there's no way out for men to show they're innocuous (and definitely not more dangerous than women can be, btw).

So under those situations, when a man asks a woman for sex, she may be so terrified he's going to kill her if she declines, and so she's going to say yes, but later on say she was raped.

Just look at the Aziz Ansari story - he did not force her, he had no professional authority on her, he did not prevent her from leaving. Yet, she saw it as sexual assault, because she 'had no choice', because she was afraid he might hurt her.

[–]TomToms84 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dang I guess yes now means no

[–]pandolfio8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a theme common to a lot of the way women in the past, and feminists in the presence see things: women should get all the benefits, without the costs. They should get the rewards, without the risks. They should get the rights, without the responsibilities.

So if a woman has a fantastic time with you, because *you* initiated, she gets the rewards. But if she did not enjoy it, she can blame you for having initiated. And of course, if she did enjoy it on the moment, but the next day you ghost her, then in fact, it was not consensual, because she only consented on the basis that it would lead to something meaningful.

If you're a man, try getting your money back from a golddigger who led you on in the hope you'd get laid. No honest man would ever even dare trying to set things straight like that. But if you're a woman and did not get what you hoped you would, it's totally fine to pretend like you were not ok with the whole deal in the first place. Who's going to not trust your side of the story?

[–]Terminal-Psychosis6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Teaching WOMEN that no means no is the first step.

They have to ACTUALLY SAY IT though.

This is something the rad-fem cult is fully against.

It's a trap. in their plan, you have to read minds...

in this, and all future moments.

Watch out for red flags, there are still normal girls out there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been preaching this for a while, glad someone agrees. Feminism is not empowering anyone, it's making women afraid of people they would have no reason to be afraid of otherwise. It's doing exactly the opposite of what it wants to achieve lol the beauty of feminism

[–]ZarathustraX1317 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm a man. I wouldn't be comfortable in a room full of strange women. Get the fuck over yourselves.

[–]Arteemiis[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Cut the bs you misogynistic male pig. We all know you would just rape them all

[–]ZarathustraX1314 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck you saw through me.

[–]killingtimeitself2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

tbh thats too much work i'd rather sleep or something

[–]KindPrecise0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, that escalated quickly...

[–]Gribbo6926 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuckin idiots

[–]MyNameBlank7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Piper Perri meme

[–]chambertlo16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fragile, weak women. That’s all that comprises modern feminism.

[–]TragicOptimistic18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

I work with men. I'm the only girl in my workplace. I'm often stuck in rooms with them. They smell great and they're really funny!

[–]Charmingaxelotl3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally shaking

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is getting pathetically ridiculous. Like ok, you have a fragile, immature, insecure personality and somehow this is men's fault???? Oh boy these creatures are...

I actually can't find the proper word for it

[–]killingtimeitself1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

special is the only proper term

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah I'm looking for the most negative word in the dictionary

[–]Drayelya4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

((((Rapists))))

[–]mistergibzzz3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am also scared in a room full of girls

[–]hawknose332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I saw this on Facebook before and just could not get over the massive generalization they were making. Seeing this for the second time I have to wonder if it was made by a highschooler cuz that the only way I can see it making sense.

[–]baronmad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is how badly feminists understand men, a woman in room full of men are the safest person in the world. If one of those men choose to hurt her, guess what the rest of the guys would beat him so severly his only way to eat a meal is through a straw for the foreseeable future.

[–]make-me-yours-please2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

All of my friends growing up were boys, even though I’m a girl. I also end up being the only 23 year old woman in a room full of 35+ year old burly ex military men when I go to D&D / board game night. I forget to be terrified each time damn it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–]Arteemiis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OH NO! The patriarchy has brain washed you into believing men are safe and nice, I am afraid you too far gone sadly...

[–]YeastBeast331 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

feminism and sprinkles boahahahah

[–]Mr_reddit531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As a man i am terrorforsker in a room full of women

[–]casteliacitysax1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

These women are idiots.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A woman in a room full of men is ecstatic.

A man in a room full of these harpies better be cautious.

These people live in a fantasy world.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd prefer a room of men. In my experience they are easier to talk to and less judgemental than women, but that's me just generalising from my experience. Women scare me tbh

[–]KindPrecise1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And as a gay man in a gay nightclub, I’m terrified when a straight women’s hen’s party comes into OUR room and thinks it’s a petting zoo.

[–]globalistakkk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

if these men are all convicts, ya...

[–]joker380 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are many bands with one woman and a number of men. These women are anything but terrified.

one, two, three

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

These comments are scary lol

[–]seanisgeynt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd actually be genuinely uncomfortable in a room filled with women, I like having a more equal gender divide or being with my own gender, because it's hard to relate to women when I'm not one. But if I was in that situation id probably try to use my charisma to my advantage and make a friend so that I can forget about it.

[–]BlinkOfDoom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably late, but there's a saying in my country perfect for this situation:

"When you're a hammer, everyone looks like a nail."

[–]make-me-yours-please0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I also know quite a few men that are terrified of being in a room full of women. It’s very sad really. Most of them were abused by women so it’s understandable.

[–]Roge20050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what is ecstatic

[–]ashenalways-2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy

I'm sure the guy would be kinda terrified too. Fake accusations ya know?

I'd be scared, if I'm honest. because of things that's been conditioned and instilled in me since birth, like, 'boys only want one thing' and 'you should never go out at night alone' 'walk with your keys in between your fingers', etc. crippling anxiety doesn't help, neither does a slight fear of strangers, especially those bigger then me (I am quite small, so that happens often)

Other personal experiences as well, like being stalked continusly at the bus stop untill I changed my routine to avoid being stalked, being catcalled and followed, and quite literally physically and verbally harrassed, looking into the eyes of a stranger who was quite openly and clearly mentally undressing you, (instances like this has happened at least a few times before the age of 11)

I am not trying to counteract any of y'all's arguments, nor am I saying I don't agree with you in some aspects, however, I don't appreciate calling us weak. We are what we are made to be, and it is QUITE hard undoing fear and routine that's been instilled within you since you were a child. Especially when those fears had been right in some cases, and the fear of that very thing may have quite literally saved your life, or your sense of owning yourself. Especially when such occurrences happen more often then not

I do, however, agree it can be a little over board, but whenever you have a real fear of these things, and society has placed it on YOU to prevent, one can never be to careful ya know..?

Again, not trying to counteract or start a fight, simply am trying to shed light on the reasonings behind why some things are the way they are :) it is bullshit that feminism makes women out to be the victims and men to be the abusers. We ALL have the capacity to be a victim, but not everyone has the compacity to be an abuser. But when that's ALL you see and hear about, when thats ALL you've experienced, directly or indirectly, the fear is THERE, and it's VERY real.....

And MOCKING us for it only "proves" their point. Only drives a wedge between them and you. And then you wonder why we can't trust you? Then you wonder why we're scared? Then you wonder why they turn to each other and get riled up instead of turning to you to be proven that you the individual, is nothing to worry about?

Maybe instead of making us feel insignificant, crazy, or just fucking stupid, maybe, just maybe you could try UNDERSTANDING where we're coming from. Maybe you could go out of your way to make someone feel safe if you feel as though or can pick up on the fact that they are worried..?

I, am a minor. I am 16. 16 years old. And already, I have been worried, scared, paranoid, and full out terrified for a NUMBER of reasons, MANY of which were the direct cause of someone who knew better, and just DIDNT CARE, like that old fucking man making goo goo eyes at me when I was five, who my dad fucking punched in the face, or my uncle fucking touching me in something that shouldn't be touched yet when I was 11. The guy that stalked me for 2 weeks at my bus stop to go to school, the fucking COUNTLESS cat callers that has harrassed me and my friends when we're trying to have fun at the mall or the arcade, and the one time.... The one time that things went beyond physical to full on assult by a coworker who felt intitled to my friends time during work hours, and she refused to report it because "stuff like this happens to everyone"

Maybe y'all could do everyone a favor and be a safe place instead of being a fucking jerk about something you THANKFULLY will probably NEVER gave to deal with or go through

Maybe then we'd stop being so worried about it

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ok. I read your entire comment, twice. First of all,

like that old fucking man making goo goo eyes at me when I was five, who my dad fucking punched in the face, or my uncle fucking touching me in something that shouldn't be touched yet when I was 11. The guy that stalked me for 2 weeks at my bus stop to go to school, the fucking COUNTLESS cat callers that has harrassed me and my friends when we're trying to have fun at the mall or the arcade, and the one time.... The one time that things went beyond physical to full on assult by a coworker who felt intitled to my friends time during work hours, and she refused to report it because "stuff like this happens to everyone"

I'm deeply sorry that you had to go through all that. I hope you won't ever experience something like this. I truly wish the best for you.

I noticed that you say that you're not here for an argument, I'll be honest with you, I believe it's kinda of a useless thing to do (writing a long comment like that sure as hell will have responses from different people and eventually will lead to an argument) but I respect that and I don't bring up an argument as well. I'm just going to point out a couple of things and get out of your hair.

maybe you could try UNDERSTANDING where we're coming from. Maybe you could go out of your way to make someone feel safe if you feel as though or can pick up on the fact that they are worried..?

You know, here's the thing. I DO understand them (up to some point at least) But how can a MAN say that? Because I actually used to consider myself a feminist for a while. And believe me, I DID try to "go out of my way to help them feel safer". I DID try to help them in my own way. That's why I became a feminist when I was your age (I'm a 21 y/o guy btw) but here's the thing:

You can't help people who consider you a rapist or a potential rapist no matter what

You can't help people who hate for your gender

You can't help people who hate you because of something that one your ancestors did thousands of years ago

You can't help people who don't want your help at all because you trying to help them, is somehow connected to "toxic masculinity"

You can't help people who believe that being annoying to every man in general is sign of "empowerment"

You can't help people who have dedicated their whole lives to loathing you

You can't help people who don't even want to hear about your problems

I could go on and on for days but you're not looking for an argument so I'll stop right here

Be well

[–]ashenalways3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's okay. Im just happy you're not mad at me or making fun of me, or saying I deserve it and stuff. So thank you deeply for that. I really do appreciate it, and it makes the burden of what I'm scared is gonna happen after sharing stuff like what I did a bit earlier. So thank you... (:)

And yeah, you're right. I see that now. I guess I still have a lot to learn about how people work eh..? Thank you for being a part of it

By putting yourself in their shoes. By considering how you'd feel if you were in their situation. And reflect deeply within yourself within that answer, whenever you feel like you can't take much more of thinking like that. And then you don't want that for anyone else, and can never bear to stand for or tolerate something that causes people to feel like that. You might not know exactly how they feel, actually experiencing whatever it is. But at least you know how you'd feel. And I think that's enough to do a little good. That's what I do. That's what we all do, to some extent, though I've noticed I'm a bit more empathetic then everyone else, who tends to be more sympathetic (not that that's a bad thing, just something I've noticed)

And, for me, anyway. I don't consider men to be potential rapists and stuff. It's just whenever I'm around them, in a stereotypical way like walking home from school and notice a much bigger, stronger guy twice my size following me for a few blocks, you fucking bet your balls I'ma be scared. Wouldn't you be scared? And it's not like we're always scared. It's not always to the same extent as how it sometimes is for me. It's whenever I see something on social media, about blah blah this, or blah blah that, then notice a somewhat odd fellow, that most everyone, even you would consider creepy, looking at me from across the diner. THAT is usually the reason we're scared. It's the circumstances that lead up to it that leads us to the point of "oh my God, I feel like I'm gonna piss my pants I'm so fucking terrified" and the stereotypical situations in which we usually associate with those kinds of things :/

And yeah, I get that. I really, really do. And I'm so sorry you're put into those situations because of people like that.... And...

We're not all like that. And.. I promise you.. I pinkie promise you, that they are not the majority....</3 their may be alot of em, but... I pinkie promise, that, as long as there's one of them, there's ten of people like me whod think you were a God send if you helped in any sorta way you could, or just was kind to us in general. And I know you are. It makes me really happy to know there are people like you :) it's one think to know they are there, and to see it for yourself... So.. thank you for the little faith I needed that things and people aren't so bad after all....

But, if nothing else to say, from being the person that I am, and have always been...

Don't let the stings of a hornet distract you from the beauty of the bee... Because if you do, you will loose sight of all that is beautiful, starting with the bee...

That's just my own experience, and it's what kept me.... Good.. if that makes sense..?

And thank you, again, for everything. It truly is appreciated. If not from no one else, I certainly do. And I'd give all I have left to have some more of it in the world

And so I am.... (:)

[–]TomToms81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I noticed the part where you said about your scared when walking home if a guy is following you for a couple of blocks. As a guy I always have to make sure to never walk behind girls within eye shot as I don’t want them to come under the false pretense that I’m stalking them and freak out. Like if I’m walking remotely near a girl I am always trying not to be at all suspicious or stalkerly because I don’t want anyone to think I’m a stalker cause I’m not. That’s just my perspective

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok. I've been staring at my phone for half of hour thinking of proper response and I have to say, I'm at loss for words. I'm truly moved, and that's something that I barely say. So, ever considered becoming a writer? You definitely have the talent for it.

It's okay. Im just happy you're not mad at me or making fun of me, or saying I deserve it and stuff. So thank you deeply for that. I really do appreciate it

I saw the other guy's comment. The one who accused of being a lier. Don't mind him. Most of the people on this sub actually know the difference between "talking about personal experiences" and "accusation".

I guess I still have a lot to learn about how people work

Believe me, we all do.

And, for me, anyway. I don't consider men to be potential rapists and stuff. It's just whenever I'm around them, in a stereotypical way like walking home from school and notice a much bigger, stronger guy twice my size following me for a few blocks, you fucking bet your balls I'ma be scared.

Believe me, I know what you are talking about. My mom is an extremely paranoid person. She always talks about how I should always protect myself. And what bad things are going to happen to me if I don't.

I personally haven't been sexually harassed but unfortunately, my best friend who is like a brother to me has experienced it when he was 14. And it affected him. It affected me as well

Now combine all of that with living 200 meters away from a courthouse, which granted me the opportunity to see all sorts of criminals on daily basis, and all of that led me to having feelings such as insecurity and being in danger all the time. I kinda get how you feel about men. I had those feelings too when I was your age. I wasn't just scared of men, I was scared of people in general. I was terrified of both men and women (and even animals).

I'm probably going to sound like a jerk but, you have to fight with those feelings. And do to do so, the first thing you need to do, is to learn to be able to stand up for yourself. You should learn to fight for yourself. Be it a street brawl or telling a jerk, off on the internet. Go to gym. Go to self defense classes if you can. Hell, carry a knife with yourself if it helps you feel safer. Or find your own thing. You know, that thing that helps you feel that YOU are in charge of your life and no one else. Or that thing that helps you feel strong (like actually strong. I'm not saying that you should turn into one of those self proclaimed strong, independent feminists who believe being annoying makes them powerful. No you shouldn't become one of them. Actual strong people don't act like them)

We're not all like that

Of course not. Of course there are millions (if not billions) of genuine kind women out there. One of those women raised me. The vast majority of members of subs like this have nothing against women. We are simply against feminists and how their movement is dedicated to man-hating.

All things aside, your comment is incredibly wholesome. Thank you so much for putting the time and effort into writing it. I wish you the best possible life. You deserve it :)

[–]TomToms83 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not sure where anyone on this thread called women like you weak. People did call the feminists that make these complaints weak as they are. It’s horrible that people did those things to you but I think what people are complaining about is the generalization of the genders and that there is nothing that women can do about it and that men love being in that situation. The truth is lots of men would also be scared of that situation and there are in fact ways to avoid them. Like you said you can change up you routine in order to not be stalked. And also a lot of feminists blame the entire gender of men for this which negatively impacts young men.

Also on your final claim you Said to stop being a jerk About something we guys will probably never have to go through. Well the thing is I don’t think very many men and definitely none in this chat would condone action like the ones that men did to you and the other people were just kind of upset with the generalization of men and women painting all men as scary and potential rapists and painting all women as the victim and how that negatively impact both genders

[–]ashenalways1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Oohh, okay, I get it now. I didn't think they meant it like that. I'm used to people meaning it the other way, so I'm sorry for assuming and getting mad about it, and I hope yall forgive me for the trouble ':)

And yeah, I know they would be. That's why it sucks when I come across people that actually mean how I thought the people in this thread did

And that's stupid for blaming an entire group of people. They are a group of individuals that happen to share a single trait in common: is a man. Thats it. Well, and more then likely other things, but that's beyond my point

And no, I know that. Id never think that for a second, I just based my entire rant over a misunderstanding/assumption, and that was my fault for not asking first. I thought they were just being assholes, and with a certain few, I still do. But that's besides the point. The reason behind what I shared was to shed light on as to why it's so... Scary.... And it's really hard not to be scared when avoiding stuff like that has quite literally subconsciously worked it's way into a woman's daily life, or at least me, and all the ones I know. And it goes beyond the normal "did I lock my doors, windows, etc" to checking under the car and in the back seat without a thought, getting in and locking the doors immediately after and starting up the car. Avoiding parking in those garage things in malls and stuff, a "preference" of second story or higher apartments, checking behind you every so often to just "in case we missed something" avoiding clubs and bars and the like because we "don't like to party" (not mine cause, again, I'm 16, but my friends sister, she's 25. She loves drinking and "letting loose" but only whenever she's alone or with her friends and stuff, ya know?) Holding yourself back from being as polite as you would to customers, (my friend I talked about earlier is a waitress, and people tend to get the wrong idea of her being polite to them ((EVEN THOUGH THATS HER FUCKING JOB!!!)) so much so they waited till it was closing time to "ask her for her number" and that she "owed it to him since he gave her a big tip" and all that bullshit. Luckily there was a guy closing with her and put an end to it as soon as he noticed she was outside for a while) along other things. It's so integrated into our daily lives we don't even notice we're doing them untill someone points it out (usually a guy, I think it's because, again, we all subconsciously know why we're doing it)

But yeah. I made the thing because I thought they were calling women weak and stuff because they were over reacting. And while I agree with them, I didn't want them to think that we, or at least most of us do it on purpose... :( The over reacting part I mean, ya know..? So I wanted to share my side of things to shed some light as to why we do some things ya know..? And I'm used to people being mean about stuff like this, and towards the end there I got upset about it, because all I wanted was for them to understand ya know..? Maybe even help out ya know...? Like the nice coworker (not the other one I mentioned before, he got fired for the same thing he did but to a different lady) who stopped the customer from what he might have done to my friend if he wasn't there ya know...?

I know that it's not something other people really think about, though who am I to say they don't, but, that's what I feel like ya know..? That no one thinks about it.and when they do they make fun of us for over reacting, and "not all men are like that, so you don't gotta worry so much" thing that gets said alot... I get it. I really do. But it's one think to say it and another to live through stuff like that

Especially when a little under half of the population is stronger then you could or ever will be. Yeah, you could buff up, and get classes and stuff, but someone will always be bigger and stronger then you, or use whatever they have to get what they want from you, like threatening your life with a gun or a knife, or the r word drugs in your drink or food. It's awful. I hate eating in public especially if it's just me and one other person. I hate it. And I hate that I feel this way, especially when people make me feel stupid when I do, or I think that's what they're doing

[–]TomToms81 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You didn’t cause any trouble as I’m bored in self quarantine. I do feel that it is a problem that women fear men subconsciously like you said but drugs, guns, and knives can be used by girls too.

I think part of the problem of why girls fear men is because men kind of fear women too as well you can accuse a man of rape and ruin his life pretty darn easy so men in an attempt to not do anything wrong that could get them accused of rape kind of avoid women and this creates awkwardness between the genders that defiantly adds to the sub conscious fear. But some of that fear makes sense as well there are really crappy men out there that would try to rape attack and assault women so I understand the fear there and I’m not sure why someone would say that your over reacting as that makes no sense. What is annoying is when all men are taken to be rapists just waiting to strike as feminists paint them to be.

Now I will say someone mocking you for having common sense to watch your back and stay safe makes no sense, as well it makes sense to be careful as we men are in fact stronger that most women. And also I think a lot of men me included feel very fortunate to never have to go through that and try to be empathetic to women as we are disgusted at what are fellow men would do. But the thing is We live in a society so there will always be really crappy people so I’m not sure what options there really are to lower the fear of men besides just being armed with weapons but I know not all people are ok with that

So yea it sucks that people are being mean to you about you having a slight subconscious fear of men and trying to protect yourself and be safe because that seems like common sense.

I do have a question tho what do you think can be done about this subconscious fear of men because feminists solution is hurting both genders and worsening the problem?

[–]ashenalways2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Okay yay! I'd really hate to be a bother.... :(

And yeah, I know. And all this focusing on what men do to women, but hardly no one talks about what women do to men. I only shared my experiences for others to better understand where I'm coming from, just as I always want to know where they are coming from ya know..? And it was never my intent to distract from men's problems and what happens to them, I know you don't think that but my anxiety is really fucking with me at the moment ':) so I'm sorry for any inconveniences my worrying about things may have caused '':)

Yeah, I get that.. I do honestly. And yeah, you're right. I think there are just as much shitty men as shitty woman, perhaps moreso for the woman, as we make up a larger quantity of the population. I just don't think we hear about them quite as often as we do men. And that's fucking bullshit in my opinion

And yeah, well you wouldn't believe some of the people I've encountered over the years ':)

And yeah, I think we all would honestly. Myself included. And yeah I know. That makes me really happy... It's one think to know something, and see it for yourself. So thank you for reminding me, and giving me hope :) I really do truly appreciate it.. :)

And yeah, it sucks. Because at times when my meds don't work, my anxiety and depression make me think and feel like they're right, that I really am just over reacting and that Im an awful person for thinking someone like that (someone whod do that) would do that to someone like me (I find myself less then worthless at times, so it's an insult to myself that not even the world's lowest if the low would do that to you, ya know..? I mean, hey, I'd rather it be true and not ever have to be the r worded and be worthless then to not be worthless and to ever have that happen)

I think... If we all work together. And I mean truly so. I mean if EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE made the effort to just, understand and see things from the other side, without getting angry or defensive or bashing or whatever. I could do it. And if not, I'd most certainly try my absolute damnist too, even if that meant not saying anything at all and thinking things over for a while before responding ya know...? That's what I try and do normally, and if it meant making the world a better place? Fuck yeah man when can I start ya know....?

I just think.. if we all made the effort.. and stuck to it, even if we aren't good at it, wed at least get there part way ya know..? And that goes for EVERYTHING... Not just the subconscious fear of men, and women

[–]TomToms81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You haven’t been a bother I quite enjoy a fresh civil discussion like the one we had here as with me being stuck at home there’s not many people to discuss things with

Your not an awful person from what I can see that’s for sure

I do say protecting your self is common sense so people that are being mean to you for that definitely being very mean and rude try not to let them get to you ok. Cause in the grand sense of things what they say to you doesn’t really mean anything so try not to let them get to you as your not in the wrong.

I will say some of them aren’t trying to be mean to people like you that are just using common sense there more trying to call out people that vilify all men. While there probably are people that will tell you that your wrong for protecting yourself they are not right. Everyone Should Protect themselves. I mean it’s just plain stupid not to.

So yea frick those people who are mean to you for wanting to protect yourself. Though some of them definitely are just calling out men haters that have a double standard.

Just know that the vast majority of men would never condone such actions, But rather denounce it.

I think if everyone everywhere worked together yea we could fix the world. But well sadly we got a lot of years before that happens so stay strong and stay safe out there!

[–]not_of_this_world1-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

Where is the proof? Why would someone change their beliefs over a probable lie on the internet?

[–]ashenalways2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would I lie about that...? Why would ANYONE lie about stuff like that...??! I AM the proof!! You can't honestly expect me to give you any sort of physical evidence you can see with your own eyes of my life experiences what do you want me to do? What do you expect me to do? What do you expect me to give you that will ever for a moment make you consider that other people have had things done to them and those they love that should NEVER HAVE BEEN DONE?!?!?!???!

I mean, I wouldn't expect you to know or understand entirely, but to be so completely ignorant about the daily lives of the other half of the population that you think the things you hear about it are a lie?? To be so oblivious to the fact that other people have the misfortune or fortunate to have a life vastly different from your own?? That you cannot comprehend the fact that NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE OR EVER BE A VICTIM, ESPECIALLY IN THE EYES OF THOSE WHO DOUBT THE ONES WHO SPEAK THE STORY OF MANY OTHERS??

I get false accusations. I get people lie and do all this and that for whatever purpose they see fit. I see it and I get why you'd take them into account. But they are not done as often as you think... And just because people like that exist and because things like that have been done, doesn't mean that invalidates everyone else. That doesn't mean that everything you see and hear on the internet is false. While I agree that you have a right to be skeptical, you have no right to invalidate everyone you come across. Especially a child. I'm a fucking kid man, if I was gonna lie to try and make a point or to offer a second point of view and reasoning as to why some people, including myself, worry the way we do.

I mean, I understand that I am only one of a million manys, and I can't have say for everyone, but.... That's such an awful thought.... And it really fucking breaks my heart people would even consider lying about stuff like that, for any reason, let alone actually doing it...

Because it's worse then a slap to the fucking face to those of us who have been through that hell, and will have to live with what's happened to us for the rest of their lives

I wish no one ever went through or will what I've been through, and I know I havent even had the worst of things, but it's foolish to wish for things that could never be done

But.... I hope one day your eyes and heart will be opened wide enough to see outside the world you've created and made for yourself... And realize that your world is only one of billions of others, and that you cannot rely just on your own to live fully, and you have much to learn from each of them

And I'm sorry for whatever experience of your own or have witnessed that has made you believe everything people say they've been through is a lie simply because they said they've been through it. That's a tragity in and of itself

[–]not_of_this_world1-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not going to believe a random person on the internet. People lie all the time, especially on anonymous websites. There is no reason for me to believe anyone if they don’t have proof. I wouldn’t call a 16 year old a kid either, you’re almost an adult.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Geez pal. What the hell? I'm as anti feminist as you can get and I hate metoo movement with every fiber of my being. I know a lot of members of that movement are liers and I also know people who were actually rape victims but this is not a courthouse. No one is being sentenced to anything here. All of us are talking about our personal experiences here. If this was a courthouse then yea, you are right, she needs proof but that's not what this thread is about



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