Having kids as a member of the MGTOW community?

Grandpa_MGTOW · 2021-05-24T04:55:43+00:00

If you want to have kids, then have kids. If you want to get married, then get married.

Marriage and kids aren't for me, but they may be for others. The label "MGTOW" would no longer apply to the others, but so what? It's just a label, that's all. You do what is best for you.

The problem is that society tells young men that they should get married and have kids. Society tells men and women that it is SAD if a man doesn't get married and doesn't have kids because "they will be lonely". But it simply isn't true. Once you can wrap your head around that very fact, then you are free to go your own way. That's why MGTOW is freedom.

On the other hand, MGTOWs are equally wrong if they claim that EVERY marriage must fail. That's also not true. Some men will be happier being married than being MGTOW. It's a choice. The determining factor is: what are your own needs and hopes? That's a part of the red-pill that most people ignore: understanding their own needs.

Frequentbadideas · 2021-05-24T04:27:52+00:00

My daughter is the only good thing that came from my marriage, I have split custody and enjoy the hell out of her. Its been a bit over 2 years since my divorce and my lifes better than it's ever been. I've been monk 1.5 of that time and dont plan on ever getting into a relationship the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Phantom_Spark · 2021-05-24T10:16:22+00:00

MGTOW is personal survival. What’s the point of having a legacy if men don’t have legal rights to their own children? As a man in the west you don’t have legal right or authority over your own children.

Children are viewed as a woman’s property. The government will enforce that you pay for a child... even if it’s not yours. However the court will not enforce visitation.

Generally speaking... a woman cares about a man being a father and having authority as a means to ensure his provision. But legally a woman can strip a mean of his resources. So, there’s little desire to stay with men.

Kevin Samuels says it himself. The average man doesn’t have a chance in hell. He focuses on higher value men because there’s a higher chance of success with them in his words specifically. And even then... people discuss how dangerous it is.

If you have NOT committed a crime, yet a woman can throw false accusations that stick, destroy your career, take your assets, strip you of future earnings, take your retirement, leave you homeless, have you sent to jail, or even have you murdered (yes, we have examples of women doing this).... then wtf are you doing?

If you think the issue is with women you fail to understand. The issue is with the law.

I recommend going to Barbarossa, The Red Pill Documentary, looking into the legal issues discussed by MRAs, Karen Straughen, etc.

This is the problem with younger men who are introduced to MGTOW without a stronger foundation. You’re missing the bigger picture. There’s so much more being discussed.

AboveNBeyond78666 · 2021-05-24T04:20:38+00:00

Personally, I lost My ability to trust. And, thankfully, My ex made Me a free man. If it wasn't to her, maybe I would still have been in a blue pilled delusional fantasy world. Mgtow made Me free.

Made Me realize, there is more to life than the validation of chicks. Focus on your purpose and do what you have to do, without giving a F what others think about you.

Failedalife · 2021-05-24T09:07:38+00:00

Plenty of kids or teens are mgtow. Particularly because they saw their fathers got taken to the cleaners and their mother used it all on themselves, and they, the kids got used shoes

And its not uncommon she takes 65% of his income as well as most of his wealth

In others words, they dont want to live in jail as that's the end of failing to pay up leads to

And most have friends who father experiences the same as its quite commen

And with the new laws on the books it will only gets worse

Long story short

It's not worth the risk as its soon 15% success odds

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2021-05-24T11:27:29+00:00

Do you really think marriage is based on love?

Go to any marriage registration office, and ask them how many people did they confirm, were in love, before signing the certificate.

Answer would be ZERO...

Marriage is acknowledgement of legal sanctity of a relationship..

It has nothing to do with love. It is not even a permanent institution that can be trusted. (You know the stats)

The only thing enforceable in legal marriage is financial responsibility.
The spouses (husband usually) are financially responsible for each other. All assets are shared 50-50.
Except children---which go to the mother.

The only permanent aspect of marriage is financial aspects. Sex can be withdrawn. Love can be withdrawn. Even children can be withdrawn.

But money will always be shared. Husband will pay alimony and CS irrespective of whether he is still with his wife or not.

If you truly love the person, you dont need legal sanction to have kids or raise them together... There is nothing that can separate you two.

If you dont love, marriage wont keep you together anyways..

Love is required for companionship. Marriage is neither necessary, nor sufficient to do so.

Marriage only makes separation thousand times more costly. And entangles you financially with the govt.
Who will do everything in its power to get as much money from you as possible.(and give to your ex-wife)

You really want marriage?
Because that is how it looks in 2021.

The one advertised to you, 'marriage based on. Love' got obsolete in 1960s-70s.

If its truly 'till death does us apart', then explain no-fault divorce to me and 50% divorce rates.

yamahantx700 · 2021-05-24T12:52:49+00:00

"Stats show that children raised in 2 parent households generally end up better off in life."

Stats also show that children raised by single fathers are better off than children raised by single mothers. Considering there are so many women undermining their own kids, why even consider it?

SUEDE2BLACK · 2021-05-25T14:18:00+00:00

You can have kids without marriage it's called surrogacy..I'm doing it several of my abundance in my men's group have done it.

I'm allready planning for two kids they will have no genetic relation to the birth mother.

I will hire a nanny for them and tutors when they are older.

Maybe they would benefit from having a mother but I know I won't bennefit from having a wife...kowing that at any moment she can take half my shit and my kids and get alimony and child support.

It's insane for a man to put himself in that situation.

No_Point_8751 · 2021-05-25T12:37:41+00:00

I would say it raises awareness on love and marriage and force us to face reality. Women will love you for your external values and not really for who you are (you won't find a motherly love in another woman). And for marriage well I don't believe you need it in order to make children.

Also I hope you know that pregnancy causes lots of changes in the brain. The woman you know before is not the woman you know after.

But once you are aware of this you are free to commit in a relationship. I just think that red pill makes you aware and MGTOW is the path some choose.

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SeymourStacks · 2021-05-24T08:17:41+00:00

Also it seems the whole MGTOW/red pill movement is pretty anti-marriage and anti-"falling in love". Being alone and bouncing from woman to woman seems pretty sad to me.

In the core family unit love can only exist between a parent and a child, not between two parents. There is no such thing as romantic love.

Productive men are born and should expect to spend most of their life alone. Expectations to the contrary are delusional. Moreover with the divorce rate being at least 50%, even if you do marry you are likely to return to being alone. The inability of a man to be alone is a telling warning sign with regards to being successful and happy in life.

If you don't believe me go ask Bill Gates who is currently living alone at his home in Indian Wells, CA after spending 27 years in what he referred to as a "loveless marriage".

I would advise watching these two videos by Stardusk and coming to terms with reality.

Coming to Terms with Reality

Coming to Terms with Reality Extended Cut

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JusW4naRetireFk · 2021-05-27T20:30:09+00:00

When I stumbled on the RP and mgtow in college I wrote off marriage and later relationships period.

If you understand what happens in a divorce there isn’t much else to go on from there, everything else just reinforces the single lifestyle further the more you learn about the clown world.

Title	Having kids as a member of the MGTOW community?
Author	Studio_Nugget
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Date	May 24, 2021 4:02 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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