Question for religious MGTOWs.

JD-Anderson · 2020-02-29T16:32:35+00:00

This world is not His world. Everyone has free will and the slow moral decline over the years is humanities fault, not The Lord’s. I’ve found a lot of MGTOW principles in the Bible, especially the book of Proverbs.

trematar · 2020-02-29T18:01:39+00:00

Here is your answer.

Genesis 3:16 New Living Translation (NLT)

16 Then he said to the woman,

“I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy,
and in pain you will give birth.
And you will desire to control your husband,
but he will rule over you.[a]”

Women were cursed with birth pains and also ... a desire to control men. Because of their disobedience and collaboration with satan. Do women still have child birth pains? Yes. Do Women wanna control men? Yes. Curse is still valid. The Bible warns men about the dangers of women all the time, samson and delilah, etc.

God rewards MGTOW men in the bible and sets them high above society, They are called Nazirite's. They are basically monks who don't cut their hair, avoid women, and live on their own and are dedicated to the lord.

So there you go.

hyperaids420 · 2020-02-29T16:32:53+00:00

I feel like it’s a large generalization to say ALL women are like that I’ve found some that aren’t in fact I’ve found some nice women but

You gotta dig through the trash to get to the gold

kaspark07 · 2020-02-29T15:46:06+00:00

Yeah, this is why I'm not religious. It's things like that limit a person's understanding, events them from seeking other answers when they think they already have one.

I don't believe god created women for men. I believe men and women exist, and that's it, no greater meaning, no subservient roles. If you want to be celibate, be celibate, if you want to dominate, dominate. Do what you want, if you can. No god made preexisting, unbreakable bond for our convenience.

Jake4523 · 2020-02-29T18:11:26+00:00

In my humble opinion this is what i think happened God created man and woman. Man was created out of Gods image, the woman might have been but then was tempted by the devil and that turned her.

2020-02-29T15:43:35+00:00

Im atheist, but the bible was also cool with slavery and the wife was supposed to submit to the husband. In no way shape or form is our current way of western life the way the christian bible intended.

2020-02-29T15:56:06+00:00

I'm not religious, but a certain religion is actually a good source of some mgtow philosophy with the fall of Satan. Aside from in scripture it has resurfaced in John Milton's Paradise Lost in which Satan does not accept subordination or servitude and instead chooses to direct his own fate. Take a look at the origins of Non serviam for instance.

The actual answer to your question is that women have an entirely different biology to men. They have a monthly hormonal cycle that is very different to our own and make them slightly more annoying(but also predictable if you track their cycles). As with men(with other illnesses), women suffer quite a lot from untreated mental illness such as for example borderline personality disorder. So if you have bad luck you can meet a woman who will introduce a substantial amount of disorder and chaos in your life.

After menopause women tend to be very stable emotionally, just like men. So what you're saying just isn't true. If you sharpen your senses(or track their cycles) you will be able to tell when you should avoid women. At that point you will not experience that they are "emotionally unstable, toxic and insatiable" so long as you don't do something silly so you're going to be around for when a bad mood comes.

Janiz112233 · 2020-02-29T16:24:42+00:00

Well at the time then God created women most women were very different and better. However, after a while they got spoilt and became like a spoiled children.

iwanttheblanketback · 2020-02-29T17:22:01+00:00

What religious belief system are you referring to?

From the Christian PoV... Women weren't created to be unstable, toxic and insatiable originally. But Eve fell for the lies of a traitorous b'nai ha Elohim (son of God=directly created by YHWH) who wanted to take Heaven over. That Son of God and his followers were forced out of Heaven and trapped here on Earth. Knowing they lost, these traitorous b'nai ha Elohim decided to try to take as many humans as possible with them to the destruction. That is the only way they can strike out at YHWH still. By causing Him to destroy His created beings (us) that He loves. Sin is still in the world. We are all corrupted from the original design. Sin corrupts our thoughts and lures us from following YHWH's path.

If you follow the simulation theory of what our reality is (which some Christian science and tech types do), the fall is the insertion of a virus into the simulation. The virus/sin is still in the simulation but we have been told a reset to original conditions will occur in the future. YHWH/The Creator will return and remove the most corrupted beings from Creation, then restore all things to new. If nothing else it gives a framework to look at reality from a much higher vantage point.

DevilComeKnockin · 2020-02-29T18:05:30+00:00

Zeus created woman as a punishment for men after they took Prometheus' gift of fire.

I'm not Hellenic, but it really just depends on which religion, from which area, at which point in history. All the world's mythos are different, and the same, and really it doesn't even matter. Fact is, we are where we are, and what we do about it is what makes the difference in our lives.

SprinterLyfe · 2020-02-29T19:34:59+00:00

Christian religion would identify the flaws of human beings as something called sin. Female sin happens to manifest itself in rebellion against God's plan....His ideal: a woman surrendered and protected by a man. But that also begins to shed light on male sin that destroys the balance. It's a two part problem, but the same thing: sin.

801735 · 2020-02-29T19:55:27+00:00

then why did he

So what you're ~~saying~~ admitting is God IS a REAL Man, unlike just a female, huh? LOL

Mr_M0t0m0 · 2020-02-29T20:12:04+00:00

Q: If God created women for men, then why did he make them so emotionally unstable, toxic and insatiable?

A: God created women with those issues as a test. Everything in this life is a test, so of course He would add females as a test to men as well. Mens' mettle, heart, spirit, wits, and patience are tested by the environment / nature, animal kingdom, adversarial males, technology, etc.

bruh_moment54 · 2020-02-29T21:41:18+00:00

He didn’t, they bit the fruit from the tree and thus perverted his creation.

FindingKeeping · 2020-02-29T22:21:03+00:00

Women are naturally evolved through thousands of years of biology.

Their behavior is exactly what it should and not flawed because of laws of evolution

1st10Amendments · 2020-03-01T00:55:09+00:00

The Jews say that women were created to ‘civilize’ men. Without a wife, a man will become a slave to his own testosterone. He will acquire things, sometimes at expense of others, and guard the things he has gained, sometimes at risk to innocents, and attack people to take from them what he wants. [One ancient group of peoples had a name for ‘war’ that translates as ‘wanting more cows.’]

When a man has a loving woman, he has someone else to take into consideration, whose respect he must earn, and whose welfare may be more valuable to him than his own.

But that’s if the woman is moral and respects her man and values him. If she turns him from a partner in making life better for the two (or more) in their family into a workhorse for her own gain, then the system falls apart. A man needs a purpose, a goal. If his value is only as workhorse to be ridden and beaten, or slave to be worked and beaten if he won’t work himself to death for her, then he rebels and flees the situation, or he turns the tables and gets his due by giving his woman her due.

The Torah (the Jewish Bible and all it’s laws) is there to provide the framework for a good, rewarding, meaningful and productive life. Both people in the union are supposed to work together to make the community stronger. And communities are supposed to work together to make the nation stronger. The nation is supposed to work with others to make the entire world a better place.

This is called “tikun ha olam” or “rectification of the world.” The goal is to make the whole world into the Garden of Eden, where God is the King, as (the Jews say) is His due.

But now Jewish women have accepted Western ideals at expense of God’s Plan. The vast majority of modern Jewish women think that women can and should run the family and this, somehow, will make the world better. You can’t even trust a religious Jewish woman, because if she’s been educated in a western college, she’s been poisoned. Just look at Maim Bialik. She is an Orthodox Jewish woman, highly educated and an expert in her field, as well as a well-known actress, but she (recently) divorced her husband. IDK the particulars of that relationship, but if “until death do us part” doesn’t apply to even an Orthodox Jewish marriage, when does it apply?!

Still, the rabbis insist a Jewish man must marry, and if he doesn’t and at least try to father children, then he may not qualify to become a rabbi. He may be a great student if the Torah, but not a rabbi. There is a Biblical Commandment to ‘be fruitful and multiply’ that he is refusing to obey.

Now, I say all that to say this: the Messianic Era is fast approaching. A religious Jew must assume and pray for the messiah to appear every day of his (the Jew’s) life. When the messiah appears, he will be preceded by the return of Elijah the Prophet, whose task it will be to mend families (see the last chapter of the book of Malachi is the Jewish Bible, most famously but inaccurately known as they Old Testament’).

When that happens, women will learn what went wrong and WANT to return to the way things were for thousands of years before Feminism took root and spread like a cancer. Then a man will be able to trust his wife not to constantly be looking for Chad or Tyrone or Daddy Government to replace him or use government as a weapon to destroy the man who wants to live in peace, and who would rather do it with someone by his side than alone.

But until then, as far as I am concerned, civilization is doomed.

But, as I always say when I preach on anything Jewish, Consult Your Local ORTHODOX Rabbi. (CYLOR). By the way, I am NOT a rabbi.

Title	Question for religious MGTOWs.
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Date	February 29, 2020 2:49 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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