Thinking of adopting this lifestyle

batfish55 · 2019-07-17T08:45:59+00:00

Sounds like you already are living the lifestyle. I'm pretty much like you, except I choose to stay away from women. These days it seems, they make up another way to say you raped them every five minutes. Blowing my load isn't worth risking my life.

No, the convo here isn't hating on women. It's accepting of their nature, the state of the legal system, and deciding...fuck it. I'm out.

r/MGTOW was overrun by incels after that got shut down. Many of us have been banned over there because we're not haters.

mechgaige · 2019-07-17T17:25:37+00:00

Nice wall of words. To me, this is the result of so many women in education. You could of stated everything in four sentences or less. I run 2 orphanages in East Africa, total of about 2,500 kids. 100% funded by me. Dude, just make it happen.

liberamesse · 2019-07-17T14:16:04+00:00

Yes, live the lifestyle that you want to live. This is freedom. Ignore the external voices telling you that you have to do one thing or the other. You will be much happier this way.

Regarding children, you should examine why you want them. I find that people often want children as a crutch, against a purposeless existence or to combat existential concerns about their mortality. However, these are not good reasons to have children if they are going to adversely affect your happiness and the quality of your existence. You should have children if you know you are going to do a good job raising them and enjoy the everyday practicalities of bringing them to adulthood has healthy and happy individuals. Having them to find meaning in life, without considering the practicalities, is not the way to go.

One can easily find purpose in the world. There are so many problems to solve and so many people who need help. You can also adopt children or join some sort of mentoring program where you can help young boys became men, if you don't want to commit to raising a child. Imagine the good you could bring to a fatherless boy's life by mentoring them into adulthood, with your MGTOW knowledge.

As for your mortality, just remember that everyone is going to die, including any children that you have. Moreover, your genetic material only lasts a few generations anyway, as it is divided and subdivided with each subsequent generation until it disappears altogether, regardless of how long your ancestral line continues. This obsession with having children is part of the social programming we are all subjected to, but when one rationally understands the scale of the universe and our finite significance in the face of it, it frees you to not be bound by egotistical preoccupations with your enduring presence in it in some form. Helping children in need of help, who already exist, is objectively, probably, a more worthwhile way of spending your time than unnecessarily bringing new children into the world, who do not suffer from not being conceived to begin with. There are already enough people having children and being stressed out by it for you not to need to do that.

If despite all of this you still want children, it is probably best to go the surrogate route, as the footballer, Ronaldo, did with most of his children. That puts you on a much stronger legal footing than if the mother has legal rights to the child, and will protect you from her abusing the biases of family courts in the event of a falling out.

unkill_009 · 2019-07-17T10:34:24+00:00

You could spoil your nephew or niece that's one way around it or go adoption/foster care route

chalchium · 2019-07-17T11:01:28+00:00

MGTOW started as a philosophy where men realized that society, particularly women, neither appreciate them nor need them anymore. Therefore they stopped catering to the traditional role of men. We are not women's providers, protectors nor sex-objects. Therefore, many men like myself had experienced some quite nasty experiences to arrive here. This is not a simple bachelors' gang. There are quite some deep and philosophical reasoning to this place.

Unfortunately, that means you are in a very different position. If you like, you can of course learn more about it. But it sounds like you may find more common ground with stay-single or child-free people.

SullenBol · 2019-07-17T11:27:49+00:00

What about a surrogate arrangement? (If you want kids of your own - not that adoption is bad).

beware_the_syllogism · 2019-07-17T11:51:48+00:00

If you want to keep casually dating consider using Airbnb or hotels so females don't know where you actually live. You risk property damage if a girl gets crazy or any sort of weird laws about cohabitation in the area you live.

I enjoy casually dating and can get away with it because of my lifestyle, recently I've decided to start saving the money instead so the dating is tapering off. Using hotels has worked really well for me. I avoid relationships. My lifestyle and personality is not compatible with them. Always use a condom, and even then I still pull out, flush it, just to be completely sure.

If you bring a woman into your life you risk having your lifestyle completely change (as you already know) and it does not seem that you want that. You've weighed the options and made your choice and are accepting the good, the bad, and the unknown.

liberamesse · 2019-07-17T14:04:34+00:00

Yes, live the lifestyle that you want to live. This is freedom. Ignore the external voices telling you that you have to do one thing or the other. You will be much happier this way.

Regarding children, you should examine why you want them. I find that people often want children as a crutch, against a purposeless existence or to combat existential concerns about their mortality. However, these are not good reasons to have children if they are going to adversely affect your happiness and the quality of your existence. You should have children if you know you are going to do a good job raising them and enjoy the everyday practicalities of bring them to adulthood has healthy and happy individuals. Having them to find meaning in life, without considering the practicalities, is not the way to go.

One can easily find purpose in the world. There are so many problems to solve and so many people who need help. You can also adopt children or join some sort of mentoring program where you can help young boys became men, if you don't want to commit to raising a child. Imagine the good you could bring to a fatherless boy's life by mentoring them into adulthood, with your MGTOW knowledge.

As for your mortality, just remember that everyone is going to die, including any children that you have. Moreover, your genetic material only lasts a few generations anyway, as it is divided and subdivided with each subsequent generation until it disappears altogether, regardless of how long your ancestral line continues. This obsession with having children is part of the social programming we are all subjected to, but when one rationally understands the scale of the universe and our finite significance in the face of it, it frees you to not be bound by egotistical preoccupations with your enduring presence in it in some form. Helping children in need of help, who already exist, is objectively, probably, a more worthwhile way of spending your time than unnecessarily bringing new children into the world, who do not suffer from not being conceived to begin with. There are already enough people having children and being stressed out by it for you not to need to do that.

If despite all of this you still want children, it is probably best to go the surrogate route, as the footballer, Ronaldo, did with most of his children. That puts you on a much stronger legal footing than if the mother has legal rights to the child, and will protect you from her abusing the biases of family courts in the event of a falling out.

annonymous93 · 2019-07-17T12:26:01+00:00

After you realize that it's not sex that had you trapped for so long, but the validation of having it, you realize that it's no longer worth your money, time, or peace of mind. Life is just so much better without dealing with everything that goes along with it, and it's not even hard to stay away from it lol

CasketCadaver · 2019-07-17T12:52:13+00:00

bro just be single its way better and if u have no problem getting women. just do go out and get them when you need them..much easier lifestyle..stress free

WildChad · 2019-07-17T12:59:01+00:00

I am very similar to you including the problem of being sort of sad about the fact that I too see myself enjoying being a father. Just like you I really don't have any problems getting women, but on the other hand, I have never really met a woman that I would feel so assured not to turn into a controlling bitch down the road if I were to marry her.

I like my freedoms way too much to risk it and basically all relationships I've had I have witnessed this female instinct to eventually turn against the man.

Some evolutionary biology theories state that women break off from their partner when their children are at the age of being able to walk around and interact with the other members of the tribe, i.e. tribal elders and others in the role of safeguarding the kids meanwhile the mother seeks another partner to have another genetic mix child with preferably higher up in the rank male than the previous partner. Females wouldn't trade down if their previous male was the highest possible rank male they could get and would then copulate again with this same male if the male still accepted that female.

I find this hypothesis explaining female promiscuity patterns, the reason why children bond so well with their grandparents and why women like Melania Trump aren't complaining about their marriages as they already have hit the breeding game lottery win with a high up hierarchy male.

The problem, as supposed by this hypothesis is that human evolution and sexual behavior works well in the tribal setting where the hierarchies area clear and fair - The modern world is a complete mess and thus we see a lot of promiscuity, divorces and dirty power play in the vast majority of middle ground SMV couples as the sexual marketplace is infinitely wide laterally.

In this setting, a unicorn woman in theory would be conscious of her biological drives to go counter her husband and would choose to ignore them and reaffirm her desire to stay in union with her man. This, largely because of feminism, however is culturally the polar opposite of what should be happening in how these topics are spoken about in the mainstream society. THIS is why I am very skeptical of marriage and having children as nobody has been able to offer me a better model in pure human biology that would convince me otherwise. It is heartbreaking to think about it is the potential mothers who refuse to see this and would choose bad, fatherless childhoods for their children rather than accept their natural role in the process.

30203forever · 2019-07-17T13:01:26+00:00

"Dating" is a very dangerous game nowadays, IMHO. Between the rampant STDs, accidental-on-purpose pregnancies & #MeToo/#BelieveAllWomen (sometimes decades later), make sure the juice is worth the squeeze for you or perhaps you can deal with professionals either in your country or abroad instead of wasting the other side's time. Just a thought... Also, decide once and for all whether you want the kids or not. That will remove lots of uncertainty too. Because guess what, either you'll make those decisions or the others will make them for you...

Title	Thinking of adopting this lifestyle
Author	stevenismyname1
Upvotes	35
Comments	39
Date	July 17, 2019 8:34 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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