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Accurate title

i8nfigjam

July 7, 2021
91 upvotes
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-07/teacher-monica-elizabeth-young-jailed-for-raping-14-yo-boy/100275216
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Title Accurate title
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i8nfigjam

Upvotes 91
Comments 47
Date July 7, 2021 6:46 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
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[–]SpookOz 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Not only did she get bail before and after pleading guilty but she gets 2 years 5 months for sexually assaulting a child when in a position of authority. What a joke.

I know its cliche but if the genders were reversed and the predator was a male he would never have been given bail and he would have been slotted for more than 2.5 years - more than likely double.

[–]bitofaprovocateur 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

New South Wales Law

Sexual intercourse with a child aged 14-15 years (section 66C(3)-(4)) – maximum penalty 10 years imprisonment (12 years imprisonment in “circumstances of aggravation”

“Circumstances of aggravation” include where the victim is under the authority of the offender

She got 20% of the sentence a man would be handed

[–]Accompl1shedAndHappy 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Blows the whole, "male privilege", feminist chant out of the water.

[–]Atrag2021 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What sickos wants the privilege to receive a lesser sentence for sexually abusing children?

[–]Accompl1shedAndHappy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

On the contrary, i'm not arguing that men should also receive a lesser sentence; i'm arguing that both sexes should receive the same lengthy sentence.

[–]Atrag2021 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I never said you were.

[–]Accompl1shedAndHappy 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh right, ok then [raises glass]

[–]Malcysea -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, she received a head sentence of 4 years 9 mths, so that equates to approximately 39.6% of 12 years. She would have received a deduction for having pleaded guilty at the first opportunity and no doubt something for it not being a ‘worst case’ scenario or a repeat offender. You might not think it adequate but it’s simply inaccurate to say “she got 20% of the sentence a man would be handed”

[–]bitofaprovocateur 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ben Kelly - 5 years - https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/teacher-ben-nathan-kelly-had-sex-with-14yearold-schoolgirl-before-shifts-at-kfc/news-story/76097fe4a7aa416ae184d1799318eaa8

Stacey Dean Rambold - 10 years - https://billingsgazette.com/news/crime/teacher-who-raped-student-to-be-paroled-to-california-after-less-than-3-years-in/article_0e96cce1-e322-517e-9fcc-24ad8e4f7598.html

[–]maxtraxv3 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the must fucked up exuses "The judge accepted she was in a "bad relationship" at the time, was
immature, and did not go into teaching to be near young males for sexual
gratification."

[–]Kayeri42 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even more effed up, she actually had the balls to blame covid!! « Young told the court she never wanted to intentionally harm the victim and said she struggled with online class protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic. »

[–]Gaiinahat 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women never accept responsibility for their actions.

The judge accepted she was in a "bad relationship" at the time, was immature, and did not go into teaching to be near young males for sexual gratification.

"It's not my fault. My partner was being abusive toward me!"

The court heard Young was only two months into her first job as a teacher and she described being "overwhelmed", including by being in charge of classes she was not qualified to teach.

"It's not my fault! The school gave me too much work!"

She said she saw the victim as "a friend rather than a student" and expressed feelings of guilt and shame following her crimes.

"It's not my fault! He was a friend, and you made it out to be like I was some kind of pedophile!"

Last month, Young told the court she never wanted to intentionally harm the victim and said she struggled with online class protocols introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"It's not my fault! It was because of COVID!"

I'm willing to bet she ends up pregnant, and the kid ends up having to pay child support.

[–]ProfRichardson 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad they used the term rape and sexual assault for a change. But I’m surprised the maximum sentence she got was less than 5 years.

[–]Xx_undersc0relife_xX 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least she did get some sort of punishment instead of the boy being accused of 'taking advantage' of her

[–]Trick-Plankton-7240 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They actually said rape!?!!?!? I’m genuinely surprised they classified it correctly

[–]5imo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Children and convicts can't legally consent so it's always considered rape

[–]Trick-Plankton-7240 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of these types of articles refuse to use the r word when it’s a woman who’s the rapist

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Now everyone can hold their breath until /u/Atrag2021 explains why this totally isn't rape.

[–]Atrag2021 -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Because legally rape is the perp penetrating the victim. I don't know what you're not getting. It also isn't murder, kidnapping or any other horrible crime you can think of just because you want to think of a super bad label.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Look, just because some fucked up jurisdiction has some special "definitions" of what constitutes a crime does not invalidate the meaning it generally has. Immolating your wife isn't a crime under Sharia law, yet you'd call that murder, wouldn't you? Gassing the jews wasn't murder under the Nazi regime, yet you'd call it genocide, right?

You're on that side of the fence, my friend.

[–]Atrag2021 -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm Hitler because I think the definition that rape is exclusively when you are penetrated is correct. Gtfo. USA is the odd one out here. Most countries definite rape as being penetrated.

Yes I'd call immolation murder. I presume you'd call it rape.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

"Most countries", can you back that up or did you make this up? Instead of admitting the Au government is using a fucked up definition of "rape" that varies greatly from the dictionary definition (which you keep calling "my" definition) that's really the hill for you to die on?

Why would you call immolation murder? It's clearly not a crime at all. In some countries. Why the double standard? You're being incredibly inconsistent.

[–]Atrag2021 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

You chose the third definition from a USA dictionary to make your point, as I recall.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Your brain is as spongy as ever:

Definition of rape (Entry 1 of 4) 1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception — compare SEXUAL ASSAULT, STATUTORY RAPE 2: an outrageous violation 3: an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape

The first definition that it gives. None of which mention "penetration", by the way. Hint, hint.

[–]Atrag2021 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Sexual intercourse is penetrative. And as I said its only a US definition.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying that two women cannot have sexual intercourse? The 50s called they want their stereotypes back.

EDIT: Also waiting on your proof that "most countries" are as fucked up as Saudi-Arabia and Australia.

[–]Atrag2021 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

So youre saying you definition doesn't even say that it usually involves penetration? Doesn't that seem problematic to you? What's the difference between rape and sexual assault then?

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, it doesn't seem problematic, and here's why: The only deciding factor for the potential punishment is the damage that the perpetrator does to their victim.

I believe that regardless if a woman rapes a man or a man rapes a woman, the damage on the victim is the same. It doesn't matter if the woman sticks a baton up the man's ass ("rape" in your world) or just fucks him at gunpoint ("not rape" in your world). It's the same, the punishment should be the same.

Only in your little phantasy world become things suddenly worse when there's penetration involved. Get real.

[–]Atrag20211 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Absolutely penetration is a worse crime. Do you seriously think that shoving a baton up a man's arse is less harmful to him than forcing him to penetrate someone? I think you're in a fantasy world of bizaar pc correctness.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You propose the incredibly harmful stereotype of "it's not as bad, at least he got laid". You have zero idea of how it is for a man to get raped. You're young, dumb and incredibly naive. I sincerely hope it doesn't take you getting raped (LOL not rape according to you!) to see the reality of things.

[–]Atrag20211 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not proposing it. It literally I worse to be penetrated than to be forced to penetrate someone else. The experience is different.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Ignorance is a bliss. Bless your little heart.

[–]Atrag20211 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Look you haven't been through it anymore than I have. Literally being penetrated is worse.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well, look at you, making assumptions about me and all. Perpetuating even more stereotypes, I see: All men have never been raped.

It's futile to discuss with you. You're too ignorant to even realize what kind of garbage you're spouting. I certainly hope you might understand when your horizon has expanded a bit.

[–]Atrag20211 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Most people have never been both raped and forced sexual intercourse to be able to tell the difference. Stop being so delicate.

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I think you're just generally a miserable cunt with zero perspective outside your tiny little teenager mind. Literally the maturity and edginess of a 14-year old. I couldn't put my finger on it before, but I am 100% certain now that's what it is.

[–]Atrag20211 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And you seem to have 0 perspective on how traumatising being raped is compared to being forced to penetrate. They are two different crimes in most places for a reason.

[–]shal9pinanatoly 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well in Russia rape also legally means penetration. We have another category for all the non-penetrative stuff, “violent actions of sexual nature”.

[–]Trick-Plankton-7240 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ you’re dense

[–]Mashed_Avocados 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The title is accurate

[–]wooltown565 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FINALLY!!!

[–]Fleethebluenorth 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If my mom turned in a smoking teacher that was banging me at that age I would never have spoked to her for the remainder of my days!

[+]Axellllfoley -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She can rape me anytime.

[–]SpookOz 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah nah

https://images.app.goo.gl/2HUg9oAbuRNb4XvCA

[–]Axellllfoley -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh hell no!

[–]NSFL_NotSafeForLove 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're a fucking moron.

[–]Axellllfoley -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever, chicken.

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