I don't care about whatever you have to say to justify yourself, it is never okay to make up allegations about somebody for ANY reason AT ALL! These poor fucking people have to live with that label for the rest of their lives, it doesn't matter if it gets proven false or not because people are still going to call them that thing no matter what. I've had this happen to me and I know people and have friends who have had this happen to them as well. It is never okay and it's not funny. Seriously, fuck anybody who does this shit.
(edit: just noticed now that it spammed my post, I didn't realise. I thought it only posted once. Sorry about that.)
[–]LastRounder 20 points21 points22 points (9 children) | Copy Link
People who are making false accusations should end up given same penalty as false accused person would have if proven guilty.
That would be fair,logical, just and will solve this problem.
[–]RunawayGrain 9 points10 points11 points (4 children) | Copy Link
So what happens if, as in my case, the person doesn't file a report but directly whips up a pitchfork wielding mob?
[+]NotherThrowaway2843 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you live in a country that has laws against defamation of character? If so, you could sue for defamation (but make sure your case really does meet the criteria or you'll just have wasted money on top of everything else).
[–]RunawayGrain 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
As explained to me by the lawyer:
In the U.S. we have what's being called 'Judgement Proof.' So basically, I was told that I'd likely win, and then she'd likely just never pay it. The judgement would expire after ten years anyway.
Now here's the money part, because it's always about having enough cash with the U.S. legal system, supposing you have enough financial resources you can periodically have a lawyer ferret out any assets the accuser may have gotten, and at the ten year mark go back to court and get the judgment renewed. Given a high enough monetary award, you could basically keep the false accuser impoverished for life. But, it's an ongoing and expensive process. In other words, for an average guy, it's out of the question.
I assume that's why a lot of guys opt to go after the police or universities, they have insurance and deep pockets.
edit: after thinking for a moment, Brian Banks is another great example. His accuser was awarded several million bucks from the school system. After he and a private eye got her on tape confessing that she lied, he got zip. The School system sued and got their money back...
[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Useless. Once the mob gets you it's already too late.
[–]Hansjg05 -5 points-4 points-3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
But what if they actually thought it was true, but we’re mistaken? There are too many factors
[–]HPUnicorn 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Do we say that about anything else where a false story is told, take an example as insurance, when you make a false insurance claim, NO ONE says don't prosecute them because there are too many factors.
[–]LastRounder 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly.
[–]Hansjg05 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
The trick is to play both sides, not just one, if you only play one side then your just as bad as the other. And I’m referring to the LEGALITY of it
[–]a388861 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This reminds me of the case of Sarvjeet Singh Bedi. A Delhi resident who was falsely implicated in a harassment case. What makes his story really sad is that in pursuit of justice, he lost a lot. He lost his job, his reputation, and just his right to life in general, in spite of being acquitted. He was called 'Dilli ka Darinda' by a top reporter of India which means the Pervert of Delhi. I only learnt of the case recently, and I wish I could help him out in whatever way I could.
[–]user11112334 1 point2 points3 points (9 children) | Copy Link
“In mid-December 2013, users from r/MensRights as well as 4chan spammed the Occidental College Online Rape Report Form with hundreds of false rape reports, following a user's complaint that the form was vulnerable to abuse because of the submitter's ability to be anonymous.[156][157] Around 400 false rape accusations were made by men's rights activists against members of the college, feminists and fictional people.[156]”
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
Where was this? If this was true, then it was done by trolls claiming to be mens rights activists. No real members of r/mensrights would ever do this. Every sub has a lot of trolls in it.
[–]user11112334 0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4468236/amp
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2013/12/19/5226756/400-fake-rapes-reported-by-mens-rights-activists-at-la-college
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1t291r/feminists_at_occidental_college_created_an_online/
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, ones that were created by trolls. Does anyone in this sub support this type of behavior? Probably 1 or 2, which are trolls/dillusional people. There will be dillusional people in every type of group.
I agree this type of behavior is messed up, but literally nobody in the r/mensrights sub supports this. There isn't even clear evidence it came from this sub. By taking what some people did and generalizing a whole group around it is wrong and unfactual. People of r/mensrights strive for equality for men and women and everyone, no matter what they identify as.
[–]user11112334 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
In NO way did I generalize anything about people in this subreddit, I’m just saying that it makes no sense to excuse this but then condemn other people doing the exact same behaviour
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, I thought you were by saying it was people from the r/mensrights sub, but I guess what you said came off wrong, my bad. I just wanted to clarify that nobody here condemns what these people are doing and we work actively against it.
[–]user11112334 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I am saying it was people from this sub because it was but that does not mean that all people from this sub were a part of that https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1t291r/feminists_at_occidental_college_created_an_online/
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying, sorry.
I honestly don't think these people reflect how the r/mensrights sub is like at the slightest bit. But, this does leave a bad impression on r/mensrights and I hope people can learn that it is not like that
[–]user11112334 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Look at the last link it came directly from this sub
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this. This was wrong of them. Anyways, you made a good point and the poster made a mistake by posting that as trolls would definitely flood it as they posted a direct link to it. Although, the poster made some extremely good points about how you could just accuse anyone of being a rapist.
I think the right thing would to be have just talk about how Occidental College was doing this, rather than posting a link to the form. Both sides were extremely in the wrong
[–]RusticSurge10 -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
that post is basically "guys I am going to talk about a problem on reddit, where everyone agrees with me, instead of actually defending someone irl cuz they don't give internet points if I help someone irl."
[–]HappyDragonBoy[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I've defended countless of people. I don't get your point at all
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Crying wolf helps no one.