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70% allocation for women and 30% for men. Isn’t this discrimination based on gender and blatant murder of merit?

namkeen_boti

December 30, 2020
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Title 70% allocation for women and 30% for men. Isn’t this discrimination based on gender and blatant murder of merit?
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namkeen_boti

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Date December 30, 2020 11:57 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kn109f/70_allocation_for_women_and_30_for_men_isnt_this/
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If this is not sexist than what is. Instead of 50/50 participation 70% quota is designated for women under the disguise of increasing non-elite participation which shows it’s not merit based rather gender based.

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I used to work for the Fulbright Scholarship. The recommendations are given by the schools they work for. The applications are taken blind with regards to race/gender. We were exceptionally happy when the finalists I picked were an almost exact proportional representation of the applicants and put that into the presentation of those accepted, it was completely by accident. In fact my first job was to open the recommendations and remove the names/genders and assign them a number. Then my boss asked me to just do the selection because she was busy.

I was actually surprised when an application for a grant for creating more female-friendly public spaces at some city in a Muslim country somewhere was from a male applicant. Apparently men and women needed separate spaces in the parks because of their culture and an open setting prevented women from using the parks.

Although I highly suspect that due to the US's funding for women's education in Pakistan there was a lot of loading up on female candidates done by Pakistan to get that sweet donut diplomacy money.

Another interesting, yet only vaguely related fact, is that many of the applicants to the HHH Fellowship consider the entire program a waste if they aren't sent to the top schools. They said (Fellows from Pakistan and Thailand though I assume the issue exists outside of those 2 countries) that if they didn't get sent to MIT, UC Davis, or Vanderbilt then the program wouldn't help them at all when they returned home because if Thai/Pakistanis didn't recognize the name VCU or Penn State that it wouldn't be any benefit for them to have it on their resume.

TLDR: This was almost certainly a political pushing of female applicants from within Pakistan but the Institute for International Education took no part in it because their applications are read name-blind.

[–]rabel111 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Willful blindness to obvious sexist discrimination is enabling sexism. This kind of bias in any immutable characteristic should be raising red flags. Ignoring the red flags is not an ethical or reasonable position of neutrality, its negligence.

The Institute for International Education is enabling this kind of sexist behaviour, by not acknowledging the obvious, massive gender bias, washing their hands, and claiming it's not their responsibility.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We have (had, I don't work there anymore) 0 control over who is submitted as an applicant. Only what we do with the applications received. Most countries submit vastly more men than women and you know what radical femnazis say? The exact same as you but changing the andry to ogyny. Instead they will work with what they are given and do everything they can to ensure that they are not enacting any policies that provide any unfair advantages.

[–]rabel111 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And those feminists were correct. It would be disengenuous to suggest that women have not been discriminated against in education. But that doesn't negate concern about discrimination against men.

I am not blaming you. You already stated that the Institute had no control over nominations. But that doesn't make the bias disappear, and not acknowledging the problem is expediency at best, and at worst enables discrimination.

That kind of ratio should raise red flags when associated with any immutable characteristic or social determinate of disadvantage. Why is it so trivial when the scales balance against men? We have seen massive efforts to increase the engagement and advancement of women in education, supported by the voices and effort of good people with a sense of justice and equity. Where are those voices now?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what should the IIE do? Only accept 50/50 nominations? That's just affirmative action (something most in real education, not selling brochures, are highly against.)

The nominations aren't an organized thing. Any school can nominate pretty much anyone they want with 0 contact with each other. I presume this year because Pakistan was getting tons of money for women's education from the US many Pakistanis wanted to demonstrate their support for women's education.

The voices arguing for "equality in education" disappeared when education became oversaturated with women. This didn't surprise anyone. 3rd wave feminism has never been about equality. But Pakistan just joined first wave this year.

[–]ObviousObservationz 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If they took the best applications for this year and 70 percent ended up being women....so be it. Thats not discrimination.

The blatant murder of merit would be if they instead chose 20 percent more men to make it balanced.

[–]charedj 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I agree with you, the number of men would need to be increased by ~133% to be equal.

[–]woke_is_a_plague 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is just a feminazi troll account...the entire comment history is the same garbage

[–]rabel111 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. Looking back over past comment history this account has a history of sexist attitudes and misandry.

[–]ObviousObservationz -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol. I must have really triggered you to comment on every single one of my posts for days and days. If dissenting opinions trigger you so much, maybe the internet isn't the place for you.

[–]woke_is_a_plague 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha feminazi trolls can't trigger me...would only bother me if your stupidity was contagious lol

I just like to make sure people you troll know you're a man hating sexist feminazi...and claim to be a man no less. If that's actually true, you would be the biggest simp feminazi in human history

Absolutely pathetic lmao

[–]rabel111 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So men are just not as smart as women? Is that your take on this? Are you seriously suggesting that?

A 70% bias in nominations is just that, a bias. Whether the bias is in the nomination system, or a systemic bias that disadvantages males in that education system seems irrelevant. Suggesting that this is just a merit based system expressing a non-consequential bias in an immutable characteristic, that's sexism turning a blind eye to obvious evidence of discrimination.

[–]ObviousObservationz -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't believe that a merit based system could produce a 70 / 30 split?

Women in STEM are 34%. Do you think that hiring practices in STEM are biased too? Or is that merit based?

[–]rabel111 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And how much effort is being put into helping more women enter and succeed in STEM fields?

You seem to accept that a 70/30 split is reasonable? And women are just smarter than men, because they are women. That kind of sexist attitude speaks for itself.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It depends on how many men applied.

[–]namkeen_boti[S] 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is Pakistan. The number of male candidates will always be higher than females.

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It depends on how many men applied.

Not sure, the article says...

  • Of the 151 Fulbright students nominated for 2021...

Being nominated is not the same as applying. So who does the nomination? If it's the schools there may well be a bias issue.

[–]IronJohnMRA 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point.

[–]GmanTEM02 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Since when have feminists ever cared about merit.

[–]jonnyhaldane -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Pakistan is not ‘the west’, and women there actually do need help in ways that they don’t in other countries.

Not saying this is justified, but it’s hard to judge without knowing more.

[–]Sidewinder702 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s what our media tells us. The same media that also says we live in a society that is sexist against women.

[–]MBV-09-C 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you compare treatment of Pakistani and nearby countries' women to 'western' women, yes, it will look like women are treated poorly there.

Compare Pakistani/etc. women to their men however and you note that it's not a woman-issue, it's a country-issue.

The problem is with who is handing you the lens you look with, and the question you should be asking is why are they framing half of the problem out of the focus.

[+]mmmgohigher -20 points-19 points-18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it isn’t. Stop crying you incel

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