Why is this so uncomfortable?

LadyLumen · 2014-05-20T14:41:02+00:00

The problem with today's world order is the goal of making everything equal for everyone. This is not a reality in nature, or in any organism. Nature is a variety of peaks and valleys, equality is flattening it all and turning it into a flat plain (which would be boring).

Part of what attracted me to TRP is the knowledge that men and women are different. This is a knowledge that I've had deep inside of me for my whole life, but was brainwashed (by the school systems and society) that men and women are supposed to be equal. This has caused a lot of turmoil, because men and women are not the same.

This is not to say that women are incapable of doing things that men can do. Sure, there are female athletes that are stronger than the average male. Sure there is that one female mathematician who can out-logic a majority of males. There will always be outliers, but when looking at the base population it's pretty obvious that men and women are not the same.

Feminism used to be a valid struggle - a struggle towards treating women like people and citizens. Yet now it has become petty, a finger pointing and blame game over who has the bigger piece of pie. Women already have all the same rights that men do (and more), but Feminism has now gone to complaining about things like The Fat Acceptance Movement and the sexism of Geek Culture because there are few legitimate battles to be won.

Some people have found an alternative to equality, it is called being "complimentary." The problem with the 5,000-10,000 year period that preceded the modern era is that men were considered the superior gender. This made sense when you consider that this was an agricultural era in which upper body strength became supreme. Men (for their superior abdominal strength) became the superior gender and women were treated as inferiors for a long time. Many TRP folk will argue with me on this fact, but I bring up the point that female infanticide was common (and still is) in many Patriarchal societies, because breeding males was more important to the overall success of the family.

Anyways, now people have found an alternative to the whole (Superior/Inferior) partnership of the Agricultural age, and the (Completely Equal) ideal of the Feminist Age. It's called being "Complimentary." Men and women are meant to balance each other out, not to complete for who is supposed to be in charge - or try to be equal in every trivial way. It is true that women do more house hold chores and child care than their male spouses (this is a fact that Feminists love to broadcast). However, many of these Feminists do not broadcast the fact that men work more hours at their job and do more dangerous/risky labor than their female counterparts. So things may not be exactly equal, but the sexes naturally find a way to balance each other out - even in a Feminist society.

Sorry, this has been a long rant. But I think your goal of wanting to be a "good woman" or "marriage material" is a good one. I like this thread because women can find tips on what to wear or what to cook or how to be a good wife without the flack and criticism of typical society. It's amazing how many women will cry out when they find out that you do nice things for your SO, but at the same time expect him to do something nice for you.

So I hope you enjoy RPW and got something out of my long tirade.

aaron_the_just · 2014-05-20T15:16:06+00:00

It makes me uncomfortable too, but we don't live in an ideal world. I might get killed, murdered, or robbed through no fault of mine. I can lower my risk of those things but I can't get it to zero. There might be a war I can't avoid being involved in, one I never wanted to fight.

On the other hand, life in the west is so amazing right now I frankly wouldn't want to live in any other time. The level of resources and experiences available to the average man or woman is amazing.

It's normal once you realise a bit of the truth about the world (instead of fairy tales told by Disney and feminist idealists) to be a bit disillusioned. It eventually passes.

squishles · 2014-05-20T18:44:18+00:00

not really terribly red pill acceptance related side note

( ok not really, I want the rustic cabin on the beach, in Alaska)

Go to alaska, no really. Massive over abundance of single men up there; oil does that.

You grew up there, have skillsets for it, understand what living up there actually entails. And still hold a fantasy about it..... do eeeeeeettttttt!!!

2014-05-20T20:58:11+00:00

The lack of personal responsibility is one of the reasons I left feminism behind as well. I recognized there are consequences to one's actions, even including what clothes you chose to wear last night. I used to be the type to say "I should be able to walk around naked if I want without being taken advantage of!" And then I realize there are places that primarily already do this: nudist colonies. But I also realized this wouldn't work out in the regular world because nakedness in and of itself is vulnerability and is very attractive to men, even more so to rapists, who are mentally unstable.

Yes, I believe in somewhat of equality for men and women, and (at least on the female side) that's already been achieved in the West. We can't become more equal without breaking the laws of biology and human nature. On the other hand, men are still being screwed over in this feminist society, something that shouldn't be happening these days.

Anyhow, you'll move past these feelings of denial and sadness soon enough. It's happened to all of us at some point, I'm sure.

reformation14 · 2014-05-20T12:59:36+00:00

Crude formatting edit:

Incoming rant, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around somethings and I thought some of you may have been there before. I'm also typing this on my phone so please forgive any formatting errors. I started reading the red pill women recently (I posted a few days ago for the first time). The failed, rather uncommitted feminist (not that I identify as such) can't find any fault in the ideas or perspectives presented here. Yet for some bizarre, inexplicable reason the who prospect fills me with a sense of impending doom.

I don't understand why. You all seem like a group of realists living quite successfully in a world full of idealists who have their heads stuck in the sand. Don't get me wrong I'm all for equal right and equal pay for equal work. In the eyes of the government and on paper I think men an women should e treated the same. By this I mean that women should have to sign up for selected service and men should be able to get maternity leave.

So yes, I believe in equality. In an ideal world rape, sexual assault and abuse wouldn't happen; for either sex. In an ideal world no one would have to worry about getting to drunk at a party an get taken advantage of. We don't live in that world. Thus, I also believe in personal responsibility. It is here that I and modern feminism part ways. In this day and age you can be and do whatever you want. That does not mean your actions don't have consequences. If you play with matches you are going to get burned...or in my case light my grandmas 100 year old linen table cloth on fire in the middle of thanksgiving dinner. Like I said, consequences.

With this in mind, if you want to sleep with anything that walks that is your prerogative. However, you don't get to play the victim card of someone calls you a slut or a man whore. I no more want to settle down with a man who has fucked his way through an entire sorority anymore than a man would want to marry me ha a fucked a whole fraternity. And I think that's fair. I that I the person you want to that is fine, but you don't get to be surprised or offended that the rest of society has decided that you are only good for a fuck (or to be a plate just to get the nomenclature right).

Modern feminism states that this sort of judgement is wrong. I don't think it is. This brings us to the heart of the matter. I want the white picket fence ( ok not really, I want the rustic cabin on the beach, in Alaska). I want a man to spend the rest of my life with and I don't think I should feel bad about that. Nor should I feel like I am somehow less of a women for acquiring skills and showing myself to the best advantage to reach that goal. It isn't like I'm selling myself short to admit this is a thing I want out of life. I'm not going to magically forget how to tie a leader onto a salmon rod because I learned how to make quiche, or no longer play roller derby because I admit I like to knit. I'm not trying to become some Stepford trophy wife and the kind of man I want wouldn't want me to be.

This is where to language gets a little tricky for me. It is hard to say "I don't want to be with someone who is my equal". It's true though. If you will excuse a bit of crude language how I'm explaining it to myself at the moment is that while masterbation is fun, I would much rather be having sex. By this I mean I would much prefer to have a partner, someone who is complimentary to me.

Although my parents relationship eventually crashed an burned, when I was younger they had it right for a while. My mom is obsessed with plants. Some people have a green thumb, she has a green arm. On the other hand my dad couldn't keep a cactus alive. Instead he made her beautiful macramé plant hangers and this really cool steel barrel composter. She in turn made us amazing meals out of fresh veggies all year long, which is no small feat in Alaska. She also made sure that garden scrapes went to the pigs my dad used to raise.

This give and take all went to shit when I was about ten, but that is a different rant. Anyways, the point I'm trying and failing to make is this: why do I have such misgivings about admitting that I want to be a good woman and be good marriage material when it in no way conflicts with the standards or ideals I've always had?

TL;DR: read the last paragraph...

scallopkid · 2014-05-20T10:01:16+00:00

Just give it some time to sink in. It is probably making you uncomfortable because it is challenging you to work on yourself and our brains are wired to resist doing work. As you spend more time with these ideas you'll start to get more comfortable with them.

beginnerbuttocks · 2014-05-20T09:45:44+00:00

Please edit this so we can see what you're saying. It seems interesting but the huge wall of text and absence of proper formatting makes it a bitch to read.

whimsicalweasel · 2014-05-20T09:31:53+00:00

Can't understand your rambles...

Title	Why is this so uncomfortable?
Author	whimsicalweasel
Upvotes	11
Comments	23
Date	May 20, 2014 9:10 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
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