Investigation Piece: I went undercover with women social media extremists. They want traditional roles to return

Omz-bomz · 2020-03-23T15:21:25+00:00

She starts right away poisoning the well:

according to the online male supremacist community Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW).

So they are male supremacists now are they, guess she has listened a bit too much to SPLC, a hate organisation in its own right, the one I can find that has called MGTOW a male supremacists movement.

And I still can't see how a group that stands for not trying to play the "game" of women attraction because they see it as not worth it, and instead focus on themselves is male supremacists... Unless, anything other than 100% devotion to women is being hateful and wanting to dominate women..

This radically simplistic view of gender relations is used to legitimise the objectivisation of women; to make it acceptable, even necessary, to rate, trade and replace women – like market goods. This is now my third week talking to the Trad Wives and I have started to get used to their endorsement of openly misogynist statements. ‘Women’s highest value to men is her sexual value, and she’s most valuable when she’s in her sexually pristine state,’ I am repeatedly told

1) Questioning and defining what makes you attractive to the opposite sex, and wanting to improve that is not to legitimise objectivisation, and is another fallacy by the author. And the part about making it acceptable to trade and replace is a strawman fallacy.

2) Misogyny is dislike or hatred of women, in no way or form is ranking women on whatever variable misogyny, you still like women, you just find some of them more likable than others. If you go to the store and buy bananas, and you see some old and unappealing bananas next to some perfectly fresh ones, do you hate bananas?

In her (rather small) defence, I can agree that objectifying women and only looking on the physical attributes isn't a healthy way of seeing the world, but that is not how most men see women. This straw man perception that feminists always portrays is just wrong, though both genders let physical attractiveness play it's role in the initial contact between people.

One small sidenote regardings Marie's comments:

‘And human male nature is to have less and less desire for a woman as her N-count rises. Eventually, this lack of desire will turn to outright disgust.’

‘Because women are the gatekeepers of sex. Sex is the main thing that men need from women. Therefore, it’s the prime value that a woman has. Each time she gives this value to a man, her value is diminished.’

Ehh, I don't think we have any research to show this is the case. What is the case though is that women that has slept around a lot is a lot less committed to a relationship and divorce much earlier, and also cheats more often. So, in a way that can turn into disgust from the male, but only as a reaction to their partners infidelity or lack of commitment to their relationship.

Back to the nutjob author:

But TRP is only one part of a much bigger misogynist online community, the so-called ‘Manosphere’, which played a key role in the creation of the alt-right and is made up of a range of sub-cultures: from the secret seduction community of the Pick Up Artists (PUA), who seek to learn how to manipulate women’s minds to get them into bed, and the anti-marriage community MGTOW, which teaches men to stop caring about women, to the male supremacist Men’s Rights Activists (MRA) and the vengeful Involuntary Celibacy (Incel) movement of men whose main goal is to punish the women they make responsible for their sexual frustration. While these groups pursue different strategies to ‘reconquer’ male power, pride and privilege, they all share an outright hostility towards feminism, liberalism and modern gender roles. They ridicule movements like #MeToo and denounce women’s-rights activists as ‘feminazis’.

Poisoning the well again, and other fallacies and suppression techniques.
Doing the standard feminist thing, calling everyone not in wholehearted agreement with the dogma of the feminists movement a misogynist. And even calling MRA for male supremacists, guess we have been right all along in calling feminism a female supremacy movement, as fighting for rights based on gender is a supremacists thought according to her... Or hazard a guess it's only acceptable one way?

Also, she has so few arguments that she has to revert back to supremacists for multiple groups.. What a lack of imagination.

And this is an excerpt from the book "Going Dark, The Secret Social Lives of Extremists".
I wonder if she has examined the extremists in the feminist movement... I would bet money on no. Guess I have to pain my way through another feminist shitpile of a book to see if she actually has any redeeming comments or arguments, or if she is just too far gone to not even see how biased she is.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2020-03-23T17:24:06+00:00

male supremacist MRA

Pfft... To an oppressor, equal rights sound like supremacy.

otterlyclueless · 2020-03-23T13:39:41+00:00

Not at all what I expected. The group she 'infiltrates' is the red pill women group from Reddit. It's not like their goals are secret or anything.

tenchineuro · 2020-03-23T14:48:24+00:00

Hey, we got a shoutout.

But TRP is only one part of a much bigger misogynist online community, the so-called ‘Manosphere’, which played a key role in the creation of the alt-right and is made up of a range of sub-cultures: from the secret seduction community of the Pick Up Artists (PUA), who seek to learn how to manipulate women’s minds to get them into bed, and the anti-marriage community MGTOW, which teaches men to stop caring about women, to the male supremacist Men’s Rights Activists (MRA) and the vengeful Involuntary Celibacy (Incel) movement of men whose main goal is to punish the women they make responsible for their sexual frustration. While these groups pursue different strategies to ‘reconquer’ male power, pride and privilege, they all share an outright hostility towards feminism, liberalism and modern gender roles. They ridicule movements like #MeToo and denounce women’s-rights activists as ‘feminazis’.

Angrychair666 · 2020-03-23T21:08:03+00:00

Ooh another cringe piece. What MRA wants a women mindlessly subordinate? I think MRAs want women to pull their weight...

People act like simpletons following this "human mating strategy" shit.

Title	Investigation Piece: I went undercover with women social media extremists. They want traditional roles to return
Author	patcomen
Upvotes	24
Comments	11
Date	March 23, 2020 1:10 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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