What do you think about the debate on gender and violence?

loofah_ · 2020-02-05T13:15:14+00:00

Until men feel as comfortable asking for help and reporting that they got beaten up by their wives as women are when reporting their husbands - statistics and studies are meaningless.

Society teaches boys from day one to just toughen up and dont complain when they get hurt as a child. While running with a first aid kit and hugs to girls at the same time. This sends a very clear message to boys that translates to them refusing to seek medical help for even the most basic health problems. How many times do we hear about women frustrated that their boyfriend/husband wont go to the doctor for his cold.

Yet everyone acts like that phenomenon doesnt exist when it comes to male victims of rape or violence. Because its convenient to do so.

Having said that, heres an olive branch for the other side of the argument. There are scores of women who dont report what happens to them out of fear that they will be blamed, accused of lying, or worse - the perpetrator will be arrested but not charged which guarantees the victim gets punished.

Both sides have issues with becoming a statistic that can be studied and measured. However, women arent thought of as a failure of a woman if they ask for help or say they got beaten up by a man.

Men are essentially told they arent men when they go to police or hospital because of any of the above.

Source: more personal experience than i am comfortable admitting.

Edit: an interesting person to look into for your topic is Errin Pizzey. She founded the first womans shelter for domestic violence. She went through a horrific childhood (her mother beaten to death by her father and left in the kitchen of her home for weeks)

She saw first hand that in a vast majority of cases, the women were just as violent if not more so as the men they were trying to escape. They had to constantly step in to protect the children from these mothers. Showing them that in these relationships, like marries like. Its a mutual violence that would escalate until one left or someone died. The shelters gave women a place to leave to.

She tried to get funding for a mens shelter straight after the womans one was set up and was shot down by everyone who helped fund the womans version.

Lethn · 2020-02-05T13:33:40+00:00

The others will likely bring up points about all of that just fine and I can see some already have. The one observation I will make about the debate is especially when it comes to rape and violence and domestic violence in particular. Time and time again feminists have proven to me they aren't mature enough to have a serious discussion about these issues.

Any time and I mean any time you even disagree with them or suggest that women are capable of being just as violent as men in these scenarios they will throw temper tantrums and try to defame you. I can't tell you how often I've had feminists come over and just blatantly lie about my intentions even going so far as claiming because I'm against feminist ideology and their narrative that I'm looking for an excuse to hit women.

I rant a lot and everything but believe it or not it takes a lot to get me genuinely angry and that pisses me off because they're just casually accusing me of being a woman beater because they don't like me. At this point, I am fully prepared to treat them like the children they are and I'm just going to tell them to shut the fuck up now until they learn to behave like adults.

You do not get to go around trying to defame and lie about people just because you disagree with them people just need to tell feminists to grow up and stop whining and it's fucking ridiculous that they even try this shit with us when we're the ones talking openly about the serious issues and they're not. They have constantly belittled everyone here for years when they're the ones throwing temper tantrums constantly, tell them to fuck off if they can't behave like adults.

iainmf · 2020-02-05T12:53:37+00:00

How would you find out which sex commits the most violence?

Strikester101 · 2020-02-05T13:52:37+00:00

This is the second post in the last 24 hours following the same pattern, with a list of supposedly challenging questions.

We’re getting concern trolled, people.

Just like the last jack wad, you’ll get the same answer - you’re being duplicitous and dishonest. You know that we don’t have an accurate measure of female violence in statistics, because they are preferentially handled at pretty much every stage of the CJS, so their numbers in the statistics are pretty severely under-reported. Until that system treats men and women identically, and we can thus trust their statistics to be accurate, we can’t get a really decent measure of female violence. It’s changing over time, slowly, but we still have entire arms of society that think only men can commit domestic violence, in the face of 50+ years of statistics that say otherwise.

spamtheant · 2020-02-05T14:03:10+00:00

1: Are men more violent than women?
Yes they are but the overwhelming majority are not violent.

2: Are men only capable of severe forms and varieties of violence?
Clearly not some appalling crimes are commitedby women as well as men.

3: What type of violence do women commit in majority?

Child abuse and child murder.

4: What are the causes for the disparity in perpetration of violence? Why do more men do it? Is it biological, cultural or something more complicated?

At root biological but this is modulated through society, upbringing and circumstances.

bufedad · 2020-02-05T14:23:30+00:00

Considering that if a man reports being the victim of violence by a woman, he's more likely to be arrested (and the incident marked as male violence), it's hard to say which is more violent.

xNOM · 2020-02-06T09:44:03+00:00

Criminal behavior is extreme behavior.

Men are lower in trait agreeability than women. The people at the low end of the tail of the distribution are almost entirely men who do not get socialized properly due to their personalities. They end up in prison. Similarly the people at the high end of the trait neuroticism distribution are all women.

Same for mathematical and language ability. etc. etc.

imbecile · 2020-02-05T14:04:22+00:00

Nope. And the reason is, when men need/want to resort to violence, they usually have to do it themselves.
Nope. It's always possible to find someone weaker and to find dangerous objects and substances to use for violence.
Violence against the weakest, violence by proxy, social/emotional violence, undetected and unbelieved violence.
The cause for the disparity in different forms of violence between the genders is the different biological capabilities and social incentives of the genders. The existence of violence itself is at the very root of all life, all life does it in some form or another, but every life form does it in its own unique way.

NotAddie · 2020-02-05T16:52:10+00:00

1: Are men more violent than women?

Seriously, this is such a big question.

You need to define violence first and foremost. Violence is such a huge umbrella that can't be narrowed down and requires specificity, most people would cite things like Domestic Violence though as the "standard" for what constitutes male vs female violence statistics.

We need to take a moment and clarify some things normally cited as well before we can even start to talk about Domestic Violence statistics.

"1 in 4 women & 1 in 7 men" typically refers to Severe Physical Violence which is categorized differently to all violence and also ignores important statistics. Physical Violence statistics are also regularly lumped in with rape and stalking which aren't the same thing but subtly skews the perception of the reader (for instance).

We can use the exact same study cited for most of the article (NISVS) to also deceptively draw the following conclusions on Male victims of Violence.

Men are more likely to be victims of Physical Violence then Women.
Men in 2015 were more likely to be victims of Severe Physical Violence then Women.
Men are as likely (.8% difference) to experience any coercive control from their partner.
More Men have experienced Rape or Physical Violence from their partner in their lifetime than Women.

You can draw these technically correct conclusions (and more) from the study depending on how you interpret the data and what you present to the reader, you need to be careful when reading "headline statistics" that are misleading.

You also have to remember that most men wont report Domestic Violence due to stigma, plus women can and do suffer from this too. Still, most studies put the genders at relatively equal footing for Domestic Violence sometimes weighted to either side.

So the question is pretty fundamentally unanswerable. My opinion is that there are violent people in the world regardless of gender.

2: Are men only capable of severe forms and varieties of violence?

Slapping, pushing & shoving are considered non-severe physical violence by the NISVS, unless you have a better definition we can all assume slapping someone is non-severe violence.

So.. no. We are all capable of both severe and non-severe physical violence regardless of gender.

Something tells me that the point of the question was missed though.

3: What type of violence do women commit in majority?

Child Abuse and probably more if you researched it, why though?

4: What are the causes for the disparity in perpetration of violence? Why do more men do it? Is it biological, cultural or something more complicated?

Complex Question fallacy from someone asking for peer-reviewed studies and meta-analysis?

VapeBlowCatipiller · 2020-02-05T18:59:13+00:00

You can turn this around and use race instead. Use black for men and white for women. It creates the bias stats and issues you are asking for here. Blacks make up more of the prison population, whites make up more serial killers ect. The problem is that these stats are not indication of violence, but of other factors such as racial bias and racism, economic status etc. So your questions are flawed because the stats that will be used in no way indicate violence but instead show bias, in reporting, in conviction rate ect.

BornFreeWE · 2020-02-08T09:04:29+00:00

1: Not inherently ... under the current circumstance the statistics indicate that men act more violently

2: No

3: psychological violence ... under the current circumstances

4: cultural + political (that is complicated enough)
Testosteron is often argued as a biological reason. That's a big fallacy!
The society (especially in education) is failing to guide this energy in a positiv direction.

RealBiggly · 2020-02-05T13:23:31+00:00

1: Are men more violent than women?

No, women are more violent than men, if you're referring to relationships?

2: Are men only capable of severe forms and varieties of violence?

Wut?

3: What type of violence do women commit in majority?

Child abuse, elder abuse and spouse abuse. For strangers they usually get a male or the government to do it for them.

4: What are the causes for the disparity in perpetration of violence? Why do more men do it? Is it biological, cultural or something more complicated?

Talk about begging the question!?

Here's a question for you - why are you posting such a loaded question and when did you stop beating your wife?

NakedValhallaBoy · 2020-02-05T17:04:37+00:00

Statistics seem to show that men are more violent than women and we all know that they have an easier time being violent because of size differences. What this doesn't recognize however is how men are also the most likely to jump in and save someone else, or really the only person to actually do so. The truth is that when you see a statistic you're only seeing part of the story. The truth of the matter is that men are 'active' while women are 'passive'. Women aren't as violent, but they aren't nearly as helpful either. Men are more likely to be bums, but they're also more likely to be CEOs. Men are more likely than women to be criminals, but they're also more likely than women to stop criminals.

We are the active players, and women tend to be more passive. Women like to think they're becoming more active but when they see how active they have to be to compete with men they claim that men are treating them wrong.

Title	What do you think about the debate on gender and violence?
Author	Strikester101
Upvotes	16
Comments	30
Date	February 5, 2020 12:51 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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