me (24m) and my girlfriend (27f) have always been really kinky. were both into power play and forced sex. she usually domms me. a week ago i came home from work late, really tired. while i was cooking she approached me and started being touchy. i said my safeword and told her i didn't feel like it and she just.. continued. i didn't resist, i just played along because i wanted it to end. she hugged me and kissed me after and thongs were normal. this has been messing me up, i really don't know what to do. we've been together for three years and we really love each other but this just feels wrong. i don't know what to do. edit: i didn't want to talk about it but we had intercourse and she fucked me among other things, just telling because some people seem to think she was only touching
[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The basis of bdsm is trust. You have a safeword, and trust that it will be respected, and that is what allow you and your partner to enjoy things. Ignoring a safeword is destroying that trust, and, to most people, should be an instant deal-breaker. Many would call that rape, and at the very least it falls under sexual assault.
Now, I am not surprised by the fact that people are saying things like "just go talk to her" or "why did you go along then?". Most people only have a very tenuous understanding of BDSM. And beside, the guy seem to be reluctant to end things with her. I might advise him to, if he really don't want to leave, talk to her, put things very clearly about how he felt, and see how she react. That might be giving her a chance to manipulate him, or that might just be some kind of misunderstanding that needed that to be fixed. We don't know anything about the relationship and the people involved beyond this incident, and if he really don't want to leave, I would tell him that this kind of behavior should be a massive red flag, that he should be extra warry, and that at the very least, he should use his safeword more often, to see how she reacts, and either get her used to him using it a lot and having to respect it, or leave the second she shows any sign of trying to ignore it again.
Personally, one case of a safeword being ignored is enough to destroy my trust in that person irreparably. But I am not the poster and am not privy to everything surrounding that incident.
[–]Lunaticular -5 points-4 points-3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but in this case I agree. They have been together for three years after all. And he did play along. She shouldn’t have ignored the safe word of course but this doesn’t immediately mean break up and call the police or whatever it is you think this means. I’d say this if the genders were reversed too,
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Rape doesn't mean breakup or isn't a matter for the police?
[–]Ohrami2 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course not. I've raped my girlfriend and she enjoys it more than any sort of consensual sex.
[+]mtcapri -9 points-8 points-7 points (16 children) | Copy Link
The fact that she ignored the safe word is concerning, but to me, the really sad/scary thing in the comments is the number of people calling this rape. Rape has gotten so diluted as a word, that now you're raped if someone simply continues to have sex with you after a simple 'no,' even though you continue to go along with it and put up no further resistance.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (8 children) | Copy Link
So you feel it's ok or at least not a criminal act to have sex with someone who clearly stated they didn't want sex with you?
[–]mtcapri -2 points-1 points0 points (7 children) | Copy Link
I do not think what was described in this post was a criminal act, no. You’re collapsing the entire spectrum of sexual impropriety into the most extreme examples of it, by using words like ‘rape’ or ‘sexual assault’ for things like this.
As I said, that she ignored the safe word was wrong, but I don’t think that lets him off the hook for asserting his desire to not engage in sex. He says he willingly participated, because he’d “had a long day.” While I’m not unsympathetic to what this is like, it doesn’t make you a rape victim; it means there are problems in your sexual relationship with your partner that need addressing.
People test boundaries like this during sex and foreplay all the time; taking a Puritan attitude and saying they should 100% never be tested is ludicrous. What Aziz Ansari did was worse than this, and I don’t consider that sexual assault, much less rape. But even in that case, the girl actually asserted herself, rather than simply “go along with it” like she had no power at all.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (6 children) | Copy Link
He said a clear no. Do you understand that's what a safeword is? A clear concise end of activies. If you ignore a no, like you claim to here, you are a rapist.
If you want to explore past someone's stated boundaries you don't just do it, you talk to them about your desire to and see if they agree to. If not, you do not proceed.
[–]mtcapri 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Are you an adult?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Why do you ask? Is it because I advocated the adult route of talking about what you want sexually with a partner rather than ignoring stated boundaries as you believe is ok? Are you an adult? I ask because condoning rape is not a typical adult stance. Why do you endorse ignoring someone's no and pushing forward with sexual activity?
[–]mtcapri 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
No, I ask, because you don't seem to understand the naunces of forepaly, which makes me think you lack experience.
Apply any idea too rigidly and it becomes absurd. I guarantee you, if we went through most people's sexual history, you would find a point at which they violated consent in some fashion. According to you, all of these people are rapists and deserve to be in prison. That's absurd.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
I know exactly how foreplay works. Just because you are ok committing rape does not mean the vast majority of people violate others. Your guarantee means nothing as you aren't well versed in these things. Most adults talk about their sex life with their partners rather than ignoring no and going ahead with it.
[–]mtcapri 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You’re an idiot, and I’m not going to waste further time with you.
[–]jameswalker43 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey dude someone needs to let you know you are violating so called savoir vivre ;)
[–]PrinceVirginya 4 points5 points6 points (6 children) | Copy Link
As far as im aware, thats how alot of cases will class rape and sexual assault
[–]mtcapri -5 points-4 points-3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m aware this is the new standard. I don’t agree with it. Under that classification, virtually everyone is a rapist.
[–]PrinceVirginya 4 points5 points6 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Not really, i think it just fulls under sex without consent can be classed as assault
[–]mtcapri 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
It’s not sex without consent if you’re knowingly going along with it though.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
Once you've said no it is without consent. Do you understand how language works and what a safeword is?
[–]mtcapri 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, I do. Do you understand what "going along with it" means?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, OP admitted his GF was stronger than him in other posts and held some fear of her. Just like when you give an armed mugger your wallet. Or do you think that's also consent?