This seriously sounds like consent, at this point, would require:
A field sobriety test and/or blood test to determine blood/alcohol level.
A medical doctor verifying the person is of sound health.
A psychologist verifying the person is of sound mind.
An attorney for both parties drawing up a legal document that both would have to sign in the presence of multiple witnesses.
Some kind of referee present, to monitor continued consent through the entire encounter.
Seriously, what is enough to ensure consent was real, and that regret would never retroactively rescind the consent?? This is literally talking about mind reading and being able to see the future.
Nice thorough synopsis of the situation from a strictly logical/legal viewpoint, but this is on a college campus I believe. Title 9 or whatever it is overrides all of that.
I went to a cal state college, and a guy I kinda knew was accused of rape. He was immediately expelled, and 6ish months later he was found innocent in court. Guess what? The school didn’t re-admit him.
Of course he is suing and what not, and I hope he wins, but his life was still ruined by just one measly accusation, that turned out to be false (or atleast no substantial evidence)
The laws surrounding these issues are stacked against men. It’s fucked but it is reality.
I agree completely. It’s sad because title 9 says:
No person in the United States shall, on the >basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, >be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to >discrimination under any education program or >activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
If title 9 is supposed to promote gender equality, why does it make it so hard for a woman to give consent the way a man can? You said it correctly-
The laws surrounding these issues are stacked against men.
On one hand I want to say “yup, all we can do is stick up for each other and help our brothers out” but on the other hand “hey maybe he really did do that. Whether he was found guilty or innocent there is a chance that verdict is incorrect. I don’t want to be associated with a rapist”
But that’s life. Shades of gray. It’s often quite difficult to discern right from wrong with 100% certainty
I used to be a caregiver for a man that is 107 years old. A saying of his that really resonated with me was “trust all men, but none too much” I think it is part of a poem.
She claims that they had sex 3 times that night. I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure that you’d start to sober up eventually.
Claims to have continued to see this guy for the remainder of the summer. It obviously wasn’t too traumatizing at the time to stop willingly seeing this guy and continuing to have sex with him.
I’m sorry but I don’t think that a serious rape victim would be able to continuously see their rapist in this fashion willingly.
Is it possible that the guy is a douchebag? Definitely. But it sounds to me that it’s a women’s studies major who got to OP.
Ya I agree, I’ve been taken advantage of when drunk as fuck (not in a sexual way, but mugged/robbed) and I know I was in a place I should not have been, more drunk than I should have been considering where I was, and I learned my lesson about getting drunk and roaming around alone in sketchy neighborhoods. I was fuckin dumb to do that and I’m lucky all that happened was I lost some money.
Never let that story die. That is the Title 9 anthem. The Reducio ad absurdum. If I compliment you repeatedly during a date and later we have sex that you verbally consented to, my compliments invalidate your verbal consent.
Although this is a good post, the title does not say enough about its subject. This forces people to click and read before they can decide whether they are interested. It also makes searching impossible.
If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable. Moreover, it means that your post will fail to reach some readers because they won't know what it's about.
So please don't do it in future. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.
When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then check if there are any words you can cut out without losing any important information.
[+]pyramidsingular1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
This seriously sounds like consent, at this point, would require:
A field sobriety test and/or blood test to determine blood/alcohol level.
A medical doctor verifying the person is of sound health.
A psychologist verifying the person is of sound mind.
An attorney for both parties drawing up a legal document that both would have to sign in the presence of multiple witnesses.
Some kind of referee present, to monitor continued consent through the entire encounter.
Seriously, what is enough to ensure consent was real, and that regret would never retroactively rescind the consent?? This is literally talking about mind reading and being able to see the future.
[–]9_cans_ravioli 6 points7 points8 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Nice thorough synopsis of the situation from a strictly logical/legal viewpoint, but this is on a college campus I believe. Title 9 or whatever it is overrides all of that.
I went to a cal state college, and a guy I kinda knew was accused of rape. He was immediately expelled, and 6ish months later he was found innocent in court. Guess what? The school didn’t re-admit him.
Of course he is suing and what not, and I hope he wins, but his life was still ruined by just one measly accusation, that turned out to be false (or atleast no substantial evidence)
The laws surrounding these issues are stacked against men. It’s fucked but it is reality.
[+]pyramidsingular1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree completely. It’s sad because title 9 says:
If title 9 is supposed to promote gender equality, why does it make it so hard for a woman to give consent the way a man can? You said it correctly-
[–]9_cans_ravioli 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
On one hand I want to say “yup, all we can do is stick up for each other and help our brothers out” but on the other hand “hey maybe he really did do that. Whether he was found guilty or innocent there is a chance that verdict is incorrect. I don’t want to be associated with a rapist”
But that’s life. Shades of gray. It’s often quite difficult to discern right from wrong with 100% certainty
I used to be a caregiver for a man that is 107 years old. A saying of his that really resonated with me was “trust all men, but none too much” I think it is part of a poem.
[–]Egalitarianwhistle 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Always wear bodycams at all times.
[–]hugh5235 6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
it appears that they were both drunk.
She consented to sex acts while sober.
She said yes and remembered saying yes.
She claims that they had sex 3 times that night. I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure that you’d start to sober up eventually.
Claims to have continued to see this guy for the remainder of the summer. It obviously wasn’t too traumatizing at the time to stop willingly seeing this guy and continuing to have sex with him.
I’m sorry but I don’t think that a serious rape victim would be able to continuously see their rapist in this fashion willingly.
Is it possible that the guy is a douchebag? Definitely. But it sounds to me that it’s a women’s studies major who got to OP.
[–]9_cans_ravioli 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay needed some sanity after all of that. My gf agrees with me but it’s nice to hear other people agree too.
You guys should throw me some upvotes/support in this post. I have a lot of women study majors shitting on me.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Apparently using drugs (including alcohol) is not your responsibility anymore (except if you are a man)
And sex is a single way street
[–]9_cans_ravioli 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya I agree, I’ve been taken advantage of when drunk as fuck (not in a sexual way, but mugged/robbed) and I know I was in a place I should not have been, more drunk than I should have been considering where I was, and I learned my lesson about getting drunk and roaming around alone in sketchy neighborhoods. I was fuckin dumb to do that and I’m lucky all that happened was I lost some money.
[–]Ody_ssey 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Regretful sex or unenjoyed sex is not rape. But universities use whatever loophole to perceive this act as rape if the regretting person is female. See "When Pennsylvania State University found a male student responsible for sexual misconduct, it said he had coerced a female student into sex by “cajoling” her"
Feminists consider this as rape and that's one of the excuse of making false rape accusations.
[–]Egalitarianwhistle 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Never let that story die. That is the Title 9 anthem. The Reducio ad absurdum. If I compliment you repeatedly during a date and later we have sex that you verbally consented to, my compliments invalidate your verbal consent.
Title 9- your tax dollars at work.
[–]EvilLothar 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If you need to ask, then the answer is "no".
[–]goodmod[M] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Although this is a good post, the title does not say enough about its subject. This forces people to click and read before they can decide whether they are interested. It also makes searching impossible.
If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable. Moreover, it means that your post will fail to reach some readers because they won't know what it's about.
So please don't do it in future. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.
When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then check if there are any words you can cut out without losing any important information.
[–]PoisonToasty 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
She is just looking for clicks.
She is fully aware she consented but just wanted to join the "Ive been raped!" Party.
BOTH parties had been drinking and therefore if drinking = rape. She raped him aswell.
This is retarded.
[–]Egalitarianwhistle 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Everybody wants a slice of #metoo pie