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... Wut? Seriously? I was looking up reasons for depression in MEN and apparently pregnancy is one of the leading causes.

_ReaverBreeder_

May 2, 2019
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Title ... Wut? Seriously? I was looking up reasons for depression in MEN and apparently pregnancy is one of the leading causes.
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_ReaverBreeder_

Upvotes 34
Comments 45
Date May 2, 2019 6:25 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/bjybgk/wut_seriously_i_was_looking_up_reasons_for/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/wut-seriously-i-was-looking-up-reasons-for.878532
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[–]NicheGirl 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

It could be referral to a partner or lover getting pregnant tbf, or applicable to transmen.

[–]NicheGirl 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

^ Like second hand stress, I mean.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I just said that, and I appreciate you pointing it out, it just struck me as hilarious.

[–]NicheGirl 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh no it is funny, just adding to the discourse.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm loving the fact that the first person to comment is (I'm assuming by your name) a chick, who also finds it funny 😊

[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's why I'm glad my wife is no longer fertile. I'd hate to get pregnant...

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

"Transmen" aren't men, they are women.

Men cannot get pregnant.

[–]NicheGirl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Female > male.

Can still get pregnant.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Female > male.

I read that as Female (is greater than) Male.

Is that what you are saying?

[–]NicheGirl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying female to male, in reference to transgender people, not greater. :)

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm saying female to male, in reference to transgender people, not greater. :)

OK, thanx for clarifying.

[–]NicheGirl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Np.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No. They're still Female, they are women. Every cell in their body lacks a Y chromosome indicating they are a woman. They may be delusional and think they're a man but they're no more a man than the guy who thinks he's Peter Pan is able to fly.

I'm sorry for their mental illness but "Transmen" aren't a thing, they are Women with a mental illness.

[–]NicheGirl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. They are someone who identifies as the opposing gender due to the gender dysphoria - gender is "social and cultural differences rather than biological ones".

Yes, they are someone with a mental illness, but gender dictates identity not binary, thus room for pronouns to situate that person to encourage comfort within one suffering from such.

The only people who are delusional are those who politicize or cast judgement on those who are making waves in self comfort and self help whilst dealing with such a horrible mental illness destroying their sense of self and leading many to kill themselves.

Honestly mate, it's not your life. You're not the one suffering. Are you going to tell someone woth autism they're delusional for having a stress toy to cope in social situations? Because, whilst that may be unorthodox, it's a form of assisting ones mental stability.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. They are someone who identifies as the opposing gender due to the gender dysphoria - gender is "social and cultural differences rather than biological ones".

If your gender does not match your sex, you are mentally ill. Biological differences absolutely exist - baby boys prefer to look at objects, baby girls prefer to look at faces. Boys and Girls are different, I'm sorry these people have mental issues but the reality is they are not the sex they think they are and never will be.

Yes, they are someone with a mental illness, but gender dictates identity not binary, thus room for pronouns to situate that person to encourage comfort within one suffering from such.

No it doesn't. When I say "I'm looking for a nice woman" I'm not saying I'm looking for someone who's delusions make them think they are one. People are identified by their Sex. People have sex words have Gender. You are what your Sex says you are.

I don't call the guy who thinks he's Peter Pan "Peter Pan" I call him by his actual name, I won't lie to people to feed their delusions, not only is factually incorrect it's abuse.

The only people who are delusional are those who politicize or cast judgement on those who are making waves in self comfort and self help whilst dealing with such a horrible mental illness destroying their sense of self and leading many to kill themselves.

Indeed Mental Illness often leads to suicide, I'm sorry that their delusions lead them to this, one of the things we can do is help them cope with their mental illness and bring them back to reality.

As far as I can tell most therapy doesn't involve telling Peter Pan guy that he's Peter Pan, like wise I won't tell a Man that they're a Woman. It's not my job to pretend someone's delusions are real and it's not responsible to cater to said delusions.

Honestly mate, it's not your life. You're not the one suffering.

Yes, of course, no one suffers from anything except trans people. Thanks, I'll go tell all the Men their suffering means nothing because they don't think they're women. You're so helpful.

Are you going to tell someone woth autism they're delusional for having a stress toy to cope in social situations?

No, because they have no delusion. Facts we know here:

  1. The person is uncomfortable and stressed in social situations. This is observable.
  2. The person feels more comfortable with said stress toy, that is literally the purpose of stress toys.

Let us compare that to the transgendered:

  1. Fact they are not the sex they think they are, a woman is never a man (or vice versa) - end of discussion. The genetics simply won't allow it, it's an impossibility. This fact makes them delusional (unlike the person with autism who isn't delusional).
  2. Telling them their delusions are real is both wrong and abuse.

Let's say the autistic person fears social situations because they believe people are cannibals, would it be acceptable to say "You're right, your delusion is totally real"? Sure the person doesn't have to struggle with the fact that they're being told their reality is fake but it also causes them to be unable to return to reality. Much like trans people who aren't properly treated often end up sterilizing themselves and then blowing their brains out. Natural Selection seems to be removing such people from the gene pool.

Because, whilst that may be unorthodox, it's a form of assisting ones mental stability.

People often lie to themselves to try and preserve their mental stability, "Denial" is the first stage of grief for a reason. It's up to sane people to ensure that the unwell progress past the first stage.

So I'll do my part: If you are a "trans man" then you are a woman, and you always will be, and that's okay.

[–]tenchineuro -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. They are someone who identifies as the opposing gender due to the gender dysphoria

That's exactly what "gender dysphoria" means, it's a label, not a diagnosis.

[–]NicheGirl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Gender dysphoria is a condition"

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

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Gender dysphoria

Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person feels due to their birth-assigned sex and gender not matching their gender identity. People who experience gender dysphoria are typically transgender. Evidence from studies of twins suggests that gender dysphoria not only has psychological causes, but may have biological causes as well.The diagnostic label gender identity disorder (GID) was used by the DSM until its reclassification as gender dysphoria in 2013, with the release of the DSM-5. The diagnosis was reclassified to better align it with medical understanding of the condition and to remove the stigma associated with the term disorder.


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[–]throwaway85807566595 17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was a bit anxious about money when my wife was pregnant with my daughter. It makes sense. Kids are expensive and the provider role defaults to the dad.

I alternated between very angry, very anxious, and very depressed when my wife was pregnant with my son. She became mentally ill and violently sexually assaulted me in the middle of the night when I had a stomach bug to get pregnant the 2nd time. There was no support for raped males that had a kid as a result a decade ago and there is extremely little today.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, I am so sorry!

There is absolutely no excuse for rape and I am so sorry you were abused and used in such a way.

I truly hope you are doing okay and if you ever need to talk, please message me. I'm a sexual assault survivor myself and although the people who assaulted me were male, I hold absolutely no grudge against males in general and I do not judge people unless they're mean or cruel.

It's absolutely disgusting how skewed the legal system was/is against victims in general, but especially men.

I genuinely hope you were able to rise above what she did to you and I hope you don't look at your children with loathing (I only say this because I know some women who were raped despise the child/ren born of it, simply because the child reminds them of their suffering).

Please stay safe and remember that not all of us chicks are vindictive, abusive, belittling, cruel pieces of crap. 💕

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I get that they are probably referring to the man's partner being pregnant, but that is not apparent at all.

[–]dontpet 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Post natal depression in men is a thing. They used to think pnd for women was just whining, then it became wholly a biological thing, but now they say it is largely caused by change in social circumstances.

I suspect sleep deprivation and breast feeding or the major contributors.

The info I've seen says men experience and at half the rate of women, and it is tied to their partner in many cases.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a major life changer for men.

You'll have to stop living life for yourself, and get in a position where you can provide $1000+ for the next 300 months.

That's a crushing blow for many young free spirits.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see why that's strange. Pregnancy is something men have absolutely no control over, and riddles them with heavy responsibilities. It makes perfect sense for it to be a cause for anxiety in men.

[–]antifeminist3 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Drug and alcohol use can be a symptom of depression in men. The article vaguely implies it is a risk factor that may cause it. No.

Outbursts of anger have also been found by psychiatrists to be a symptoms in men, and this symptom is often misinterpreted, especially in the modern anti-male environment.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how outbursts of anger is 'abuse' when it's a symptom for men, yet it's excused as 'being defensive', 'out of frustration' or simply 'lashing out' when it's done by a woman.

It's frustrating and sad to realise just how bad things have gotten for men, or even for anyone who isn't a feminist or LGBTetc (though I hate to add the B in that as, apparently, you don't count as bi if you're currently in a hetero relationship)

I'm still glad to have posted this, though, as this stuff really needs to be discussed more openly. Especially with women.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The list is not ranked, so it's not clear that it's a leading cause.

But consider what happens before and after the birth of the child, the dad is persona non-grata, no one cares if he lives or dies and he probably loses the sole point of emotional support and personal contact that he has. And he gets to work himself to death in the process. Some women decide that they don't want to have sex anymore after having a child, but even in ideal conditions his sex like is going to be a shadow of what it might potentially have been before (she may have used sex to get what she wanted before, who can say).

I'm sure that most women would not understand, or even care. So I'll leave it at this.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree, and i was gonna delete the post, but it's certainly bringing new conversations and opinions, which is a great thing, so I'm leaving it up

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

FYI, I have 3 kids, so I have some non-theoretical idea what I'm talking about.

There is tons of support for women here, but men are on their own, same as with everything else.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why it's good for us all to have these conversations.

[–]VoxVirilis 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Have you seen how much child support is these days??? You're damn right pregnancy and childbirth can be a cause of anxiety in men.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My ex pays AU$150 every fortnight, and has our son maybe once a month (I have demanded 'family day' once a week, where I drive our son to his place, hang out and sometimes go bowling or something).

It's not too bad if you swallow your hurt and pride for the sake of the child. Although I understand a lot of people can't get along, I have more than enough reasons to despise my ex. My son's happiness is more important than vindictiveness and petty revenge.

[–]VoxVirilis -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe step outside of your little bubble with a dataset of n=1. Your situation is not the norm.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I never said it was.

I honestly did not expect this much venom and bitching on this sub.

What is wrong with you? You hate chicks so much that you can't see when we are on your side?

[–]antilopes 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your situation does not sound uncommon for a separated couple. It isn't unusual for exes to retain enough civility to be able to do things together as a family, nor to get together at one of the homes. I suspect a family day per week is more that most do.

I fear for schoolboys and young men reading the manosphere subs, they sometimes post here with an unbalanced level of fear about forming a family or even intereracting with women at all. It is easy to get the impression separation is normally a nuclear situation with lawyers, fought in family court with the threat of rape or child abuse allegations in the background.

[–]VoxVirilis -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I never said it was.

Then why bring it up?

I honestly did not expect this much venom and bitching on this sub.

Where's the venom & bitching in my comments?

What is wrong with you? You hate chicks so much that you can't see when we are on your side?

At this point are you even responding to the right person?!? Where's the hate in my comments?

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. 'step outside of your little bubble' - I'm not in a bubble, I'm simply explaining my situation, which was warranted by the fact that you brought it up.

  2. I'll simply direct your attention to the above 'little bubble' remark, which is rarely a complement.

  3. See points 1 and 2.

I do accept that there is a great probability that my written words may be misconstrued by someone reading them, and I apologise if that's the case; I wasn't bragging, I wasn't trying to insinuate that I'm better than anyone else - my personal situation is not easy, but nor is it harder than anyone elses'. In fact, I'm pretty confident in saying that most people have it much harder. I may have read it the wrong way, but your words seemed, to me, slightly patronising.

But anyway.. Sorry if I offended or angered you.

[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Please post the actual source when it's for something as detailed as this, getting to be a dumb thing people are doing now.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The actual source:

I googled, 'reason for men depression' - please excuse the cave-girl speak, but google doesn't tend to like it when I'm precise. I chose https://www.beyondblue.org.au/who-does-it-affect/men/what-causes-anxiety-and-depression-in-men from the list on Google.

I apologise for contributing to the apparent 'dumb thing', please let me know if you require further detail.

Oh, and I used Pixlr to create the underlines. I chose pink because it's my favourite colour, and 'glitter' isn't a colour option.

[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The reason it's dumb is because this is the kind of shit the media does, the try to boil a very complicated and detailed topic into a stupid overly simplified headline and a few bullet points while providing no actual information on the topic you originally looked up.

There's no need to get angtsy, this isn't about you, it's about being a half-decent poster. I don't even normally complain like this the majority of the time but this type of shit has been getting annoying lately.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was upset - that's the problem with written correspondence, you don't know if people are being sarcastic or earnest!

I was literally trying to give you the most information I could about the post. Though, reading it back, I can see how it looks like I'm shit stirring!

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lol my bad in that case yeah all of us are pretty used to people picking fights. You have to bear in mind this is a genuine activist/political sub so yes I don't have a problem with people posting meme's and stuff for fun but if you're trying to make a serious point you need to make a serious post.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate that. Thank you! I was half serious, though. Too damn many mens issues tend to get hijacked (even in the most subtle way) by chick issues.

I mean, we females have our share of issues, but they always seem to seep into everything and I got so pissed off when I saw 'pregnancy' when I was trying to look at a specifically male issue.

[–]_ReaverBreeder_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, even my apology/explanation sounds slightly sarcastic.. Check my post history, I'm not a habitual shit-poster!

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