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Prison labor is modern slavery. I've been sent to solitary for speaking out | Kevin Rashid Johnson

RiseCascadia

August 23, 2018
52 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/23/prisoner-speak-out-american-slave-labor-strike
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Title Prison labor is modern slavery. I've been sent to solitary for speaking out | Kevin Rashid Johnson
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RiseCascadia

Upvotes 52
Comments 15
Date August 23, 2018 11:39 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/99mn5d/prison_labor_is_modern_slavery_ive_been_sent_to/
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Comments

[–]imbecile 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Ancient Slavery was prison labor as well.
That's how slavery was created in the first place: you took prisoners from your neighboring tribes and put them to work.

[–]RiseCascadia[S] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think he added the word 'modern' just so people couldn't point to the few superficial differences and say "See? It's totally not slavery!" Of course it's really not very different from "older" forms of slavery and in fact it's a system that was put in place immediately after the supposed abolition of slavery in the 19th century as a replacement.

[–]njullpointer 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I disagree in this case. The idea about adding "modern" to the word "slavery" is to show that it is slavery, despite "slavery" being illegal.

If you're a captive worker, forced to work or starve (or punished), and if your 'pay' is docked to help cover the cost of your accommodation (also forced) and other needs, then you are a slave.

It may be legal, the people paid to make excuses may say "but it's not slavery", but it is, and adding the word "modern" in this case just seeks to point out the hypocrisy of saying "but slavery isn't allowed".

Over here in Europe at least (and despite other problems Europe may have), our prison system is not meant to provide slave workers, and would in fact be highly illegal.

[–]RiseCascadia[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, that's entirely possible as well. Actually if you read the 13th amendment, slavery was never full abolished. It explicitly says it is allowed in prisons.

[–]njullpointer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

oh? I have to say I haven't read the 13th amendment because I'm not American, but if it explicitly says it is allowed in prisons, then you're right, there really is no need for 'modern' in front of it!

[–]RiseCascadia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the entire text of the amendment:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

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[–]njullpointer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's pretty fucking terrible. Then, literally, slavery does exist in the united states, and incarcerated people are (or can be) literal slaves. No need for 'modern' at all.

[–]89peters 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More black men died premature deaths under the prison leasing system than while living as slaves on plantations. Plenty of poor white men too.

This actually makes "sense": slaves were valuable "property" so it was in the best interests of the slave owner to make sure they were kept alive. This is why Irish men in early American (who were called "white niggers") were forced into the most dangerous jobs. They were more free than black men but they were also more likely to die young.

These are the sorts of complex historical realities that should be taught in schools; instead they portray history as "white man oppress black man" and "man oppress woman". I wouldn't be surprised if most students were under the impression that your average white men used to own black slaves, when in fact it was a tiny percentage of the white population (and included both males and females).

I think the reason Americans are taught to focus so much on race and sex is that the powers-that-be want everyone squabbling over identity to divide and rule -- anything but acknowledging class differences.

Prison labor is also an excellent way of driving down the wages of other workers outside the prison system.

[–]ButtsMacGillacuty 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So happy to see prison slavery finally on the radar of MRAs! If for no other reason MRAs should push this issue because it so clearly demonstrates to even the layman how misandrist feminists are by their implicit approval of the slavery of men.

[–]TheImpossible1 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why are we caring about criminals? This isn't a good hill to die on.

Plus, this is the Guardian. Famously feminist shit rag.

Anything they say, we should support the opposite.

[–]RiseCascadia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you pro-men or just anti-women? Slavery literally exist in the US, it's an abomination and it's an issue that predominantly affects men... This is the reason the US has the biggest prison population in the world (and also per capita despite being one of the biggest countries!) Mostly US prisons are filled with non-violent offenders who wouldn't be there in the first place if there wasn't so much money in enslaving them. Also because prisoners are human beings.

[–]TheImpossible1 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't trust the Guardian. Do I need to give examples of shit they've written?

We shouldn't be jumping to the issues which get no support that the feminists are trying to funnel us towards.

[–]RiseCascadia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol can't tell if you're serious...

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive -- https://archive.is/gul7R

[–]azazelcrowley -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's explicitly protected and set aside in the constitutional amendment that bans slavery (better described as banning slavery, except for prisoners). They were aware it was slavery even when they banned slavery, but decided this kind was okay and that the amendment shouldn't cover it.

I'm personally fine with prisoners working to offset or repay costs of incarceration, but any profit beyond that should probably be given to them as payment.

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