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Potential next Prime Minister of UK, Jeremy Corbyn, "pledges to start a 'workplace revolution' to end the scourge of men sexually harassing women at work". Is this another sign of the persecution of all men as 'evil' we had feared?

Rethgil

June 10, 2018
155 upvotes
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-sexual-harassment-work-bakers-union-tips-go-to-staff-me-too-a8391941.html
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Title Potential next Prime Minister of UK, Jeremy Corbyn, "pledges to start a 'workplace revolution' to end the scourge of men sexually harassing women at work". Is this another sign of the persecution of all men as 'evil' we had feared?
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Rethgil

Upvotes 155
Comments 53
Date June 10, 2018 9:41 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8q44kx/potential_next_prime_minister_of_uk_jeremy_corbyn/
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[–]Rethgil[S] 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

This latest national announcement follows his last one that said his "TOP priority if he wins will be to end the female wage gap".

That followed him saying he thought female only train carriages should be considered for introduction.

Which all follows a male Labour worker being banned when he objected to female only shortlists....

I've been warning things are getting a lot worse all the time for men in Britain and the world, and that its going to get worse before it gets better. On a positive note, things can only get better for men from here-surely?

Meanwhile, the main two TV channels in Britain are currently showing a nearly two hour long special show about suffragettes and the history of feminism, which was also shown in the afternoon, even though it's the prime time slot.

Im not sure its possible to actually have more feminist garbage shoved down our throats.... But I'm sure they'll find a way.

[–]andejoh 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On a positive note, things can only get better for men from here-surely?

What, men are already only 10% of the population of Britain? Oh, it could get much worse.

[–]FlagrantWrongsDotCom 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That followed him saying he thought female only train carriages should be considered for introduction.

Where have we heard something like that before... yikes. What are people thinking?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If brexit has not done the tick, go for MEGA

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Labour and conservatives are both so horrible. Do you want the puppet on the left, or do you want the puppet on the right? The same person is holding both puppets, so it really doesn't matter anyway, just keep the people stupid stupid, it isn't hard to do. Give them the illusion of a choice, between two parties that both have a common agenda, both want to take more and more of your rights away.

[–]fourthwallcrisis 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If there were a party for real equity, freedom, fairness and a sensible attitude towards the economy I'd sign up for life. You're right, we've got the authoritarian commies who only care about the "oppressed" or the neo-con authoritarians who don't seem to care about anyone.

[+]IAMYOUREFLECTION1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Seeing as there is currently no party, people need to start making one as a collective.

[–]fourthwallcrisis 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be thrilled to support one! Right now none of them represent me and even if they claimed to, they've proven themselves as trustworthy as a three bob note.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Tommy is out in a year, elect him king.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't want tommy in prison, but I certainly don't want him in power either. All he does is whine about Muslims. It should be his right to do that but I'm not going to listen to him because this world has far bigger problems than Muslims. I respect his right to freedom of speech but I don't respect him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I do not believe that the man has no other interests, it just seems as tho islamification is top of his list. Also I am not sure that 'whining' is a fair characterization of what he has been engaged in.

Of course I was being facetious when I suggested you crown him king, but on the other hand, do something or you will find yourself worse off then you would be were it so.

[+]IAMYOUREFLECTION1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The only person I'm willing to vote for so far is myself, as I seem to be the only person that represents my rights.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

In the land of mirrors I am king

My reflection speaks to me in dreams

believe in myself really seems

the only message that I bring

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone should vote for me, because I represent everyone's rights. I am the reflection.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that's a good idea, and frankly I don't like the man much, but anyway he can't stand for election now he's had a criminal conviction.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but when it backfires and all the sexual harassers end up being male feminists and union figures (i.e. Labor supporters) we get to eat lots of popcorn.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's two things. First, it is, indeed, another example of the demonization of men. Second, it is a pre-emptive strike from a dirtbag who harassed a lot of women back in the day. As we saw with Harvey Weinstein and Hugo Schwyzer, the best way to cover up your evil doings in private is by getting all feministy in public.

[–]PeonSupreme 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I may have to go off the socioemotional grid, possibly permanently. If men deserve this punishment, then there is no hope. If men do not deserve this punishment, it looks as if it’s happening anyway, so there is still no hope.

[–]ps288 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its not been his top priority - thats the NHS and Schools and has been for a long time.

His investments in the NHS will pay dividends for both sexes. Voting Tory will certainly lead to more male deaths. Putting more money into schools will help boys (and girls).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Putting more money into schools will help boys (and girls).

Schools are already failing boys. No amount of spending will fix that.

[–]Rethgil[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Er-actually that was a DIRECT quote from Cobyn about ending the imaginary wage gap!

So yes, it IS his first priority, according to his OWN words!

[–]smfuel87 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy Cuck...

As if working in these places as a straight white guy isn't enough of a nervous shitshow. Talking to anyone in the course of duty will be the professional equivalent of minesweeper. Of course you'll be guilty by default as employers will can you on an accusation alone just as a legal precaution.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't wait for him to get hanged on his own gallows. As he will if he gets into power.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it happens literally that will be a great day indeed

[–]BizarreBlizzard 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While the wage gap is a big myth, Corbyn is great for other reasons.

[–]_pulsar 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like the preacher who needs everyone to know how much he hates gay people while he's actually gay himself, this guy probably has a few skeletons in his own closet.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder what closet skeletons this asshole is overcompensating for.

[–]Cristi_Tanase 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

he is nothing, he will never be a prime minister, relax

[–]Rethgil[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He is the only current viable possible alternative to Theresa May.

That says a lot about how messed up the current state of politics is.

[–]Cristi_Tanase 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I admit that UK is in a deep deep hole. But the guy is insane, and if it takes the power he will fail so hard that his entire platform (including gender ideology) will fail with him.

[–]Sasha_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What does Jeremy Corbin know about workplaces?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And these ASSHOLES complain about Donald Trump. The Donald could BEAT THE LIVING SHIT OUR OF THIS WIMP and I would pay to watch it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good.... None of the snivelling shits will get their daily dose of dick, and the women will drag these feminist and feminised sacks of shit out and strangle them...

Pop Corn seat, condoms, and elbow length rubber gloves at the ready....

[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

It cited a survey by union Unite which found 89 per cent of workers had experienced sexual harassment, while 77 per cent said their workplace either did not have a policy to address this or they did not know about it.

Unite is a union for hospitality workers, around 3/4 of which said they had been harassed by a customer. I'm all for banning NDAs from including sexual harassment; I see no bad outcome from that. But that won't "revolutionize" the problem that statistic reflects.

Ultimately, I think it's a cultural problem and the solution needs to come from the top. Even if you're a big wig and the other person is just a lowly waitstaff, keep your damn hands to yourself or be branded a douche.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Women touch people at work just as much as men do.

Try taking the tree branch out of your own eye before attenpting to take the splinter out of your brothers eye.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Who said the big wigs were men or the waitstaff women?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Did you read the title of the post? Seems a little one sided to me.

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I was careful to avoid gendered language for that reason. The rules need not apply different to men and women, nor do I see anything discriminatory in what he's proposing.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

He's discriminating clearly because he's trying to end "men harassing women." He's not trying to stop "harassment".

First off I don't harass women but I've been harassed by women. Personally I respect their right to freedom of speech but I don't want them to have freedom of speech if I don't have it because I want equality before anything else, I want everyone around me to be held to the same standards as me. So this law is discriminatory because its victim blaming. Men are also the the victims, women are also the offenders, I'll start caring about women's rights when I have the same rights as women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I haven't poured over the policy. I've read two articles on it. Is anything in the actual policy discriminatory? As for the rhetoric, yes, it's certainly gendered. By most estimations (and I realize one could make an argument the other way) sexual harassment is largely if nto entirely an issue of men harassing women. Personally, I'm not hung up on people speaking about it in that general way, but I get how others are. The first rule of social issues is: if a generalization doesn't apply to you, don't take it personally.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I will take it personally because its telling me that I'm an offender based on my gender of somthing that I am a victim of from the opposite gender and also my own gender. It's exclusionary and sexist and in all honesty I've seen an equal amount of harassment from both men and women in public. The statistic is clearly false anyway. I'd say harassment victims are more likely to be male from what I've seen, so this is just a one sided bias where there shouldn't be one. People should not respect the law if the law does not respect them. If women aren't told not to do this then men shouldn't be either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But does this law, in practice, actually discriminate in any way?

[–]nforne 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you try looking at this from another perspective?

What if the BNP proposed an anti-harassment law, and said its intended purpose was to protect whites.

Would you tell minorities to chill the fuck out because if they aren't harassing whites they've got nothing to worry about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't if it applies to both genders as victims and offenders.

[–]nforne 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A big part of the reason why women harassing men is not "as big an issue" is not because it doesn't happen, but because it's not taken seriously. I had my drink spiked by a much older colleague at a Christmas party and she made a move on me when I was wasted. All our workmates thought it was funny and took the piss out of me. I didn't see myself as a victim, and why would I, when nobody was treating me as one? But if you flipped the genders, you can bet my colleagues would have reacted differently, and their reaction would have informed me that I was a victim, even if I didn't see it myself.

More recently, my previous manager was incredibly touchy-feely, wanting hugs, touching my arms, putting her hand on my leg. She was aware that I was uncomfortable, and sometimes I'd hug her back but then she kissed my neck which freaked me out. I didn't complain because I didn't believe I would have been taken seriously, and I doubt I'd have had colleague support.

This shit happens both ways. Saying it doesn't is simply overlooking the reasons why men don't report it.

The first rule of social issues is: if a generalization doesn't apply to you, don't take it personally.

Gotcha. So when the Nazi party was stirring up hate against wealthy jews, the poor jews were perfectly safe to ignore it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup. The implicit threat of rape is taken more seriously when a man does something like that to a woman than vice versa. Still, I can't even begin to imagine an office party thinking someone giving you a roofie is funny, in large part because they are fatal in a non-trivial number of instances. There should have been absolutely no excuse for not firing her on the spot.

So having had those experiences (and in particular recognizing, as many here often do not, that the actual amount of physical contact may not reflect the level of discomfort or creepiness it produces in the person receiving it), shouldn't we celebrate stricter enforcement against office harassment?

Gotcha. So when the Nazi party was stirring up hate against wealthy jews, the poor jews were perfectly safe to ignore it.

I'm not on the attack. I'm not so clever that I can phrase things in such airtight legalize that others can't find a bad faith meaning in what I'm saying if they're motivated to try. I'm asking you to operate under the assumption that I'm trying to speak in good faith in this conversation.

[–]nforne 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be clear, she spiked me with alcohol, not drugs, but it got me wasted enough that I didn't have much clue what was going on anyway.

[–]Rethgil[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The issue is not the isolated notion of accusations by a few people in one job favoured by women.

The issue is how the culture is veering towards a cliff when it comes to men's rights being obliterated and ignored due to an INSANE obsession with imaginary female rights. Like the ones I listed.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Hello, gender-is-zero-sum fallacy! How're the kids?

Not sure where you listed anything; I'm curious what right you currently have that you think is about to be "obliterated."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You have a point there. It doesn't really seem like there is any right even left to obliterate.

How about the right to equality? The right to equal prison time? The right to be legally protected from non consensual mutilation? The right to equal pay for equal contribution? The right to not face employment discrimination?

That's just a few rights unique to men that are going / gone, let's not forget the human rights over all.

The right to free speech is going out the window in the UK, the right to self ownership, medical cannabis, right to not be arrested for being homeless, right to consent to healthcare, right to self defense, right to not be ruled under an oppressive set of laws.

Most of these rights are already gone. The others are quickly eroding.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's look at prison. Do you care about women serving more prison or men less? What if data shows one gender is more likely to be a repeat offender; does that change anything?

Free speech is doing just fine, I wouldn't call cannabis a "right" exactly but I'm for it, circumcision of children is abuse, and most of the rest is vague stuff we probably agree on in principle if not in practice.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Personally I say everyone should be serving less time rather than more there is men and women who are in prison who shouldn't be IMO e.g. drug dealers. Some women and men get 7 years or more for a crime that does not break anyone's consent, drug dealing or use should not be an offense, prostiturion should not be an offense, speech should be completely legal outside of lying in court.

However, equality is the most important thing. I feel I have made my feelings quite clear when it comes to statistics based on my previous posts, I believe i n judging by the individual. There should absolutely be no gap in prison time, that is the most important thing, its most important to give an equal sentence before determining what the sentence should be.

Statistics are irrelevant, and even if they weren't there is other factors. Could it not be possible that longer sentences are the reason for statistical re offense. Women are given courses and rehabilitation in most prisons, men just revive punishment. No statistical comparison can even be made until both genders are held to the same standards. If you treated women the same as men, then you would likely see re offense rates in women go up.

Everyone should be rehabilitated because this is what prevents re offense, not longer sentences. In fact longer sentences seem to be connected to re offending. If you look at counties such as Sweden, they have the lowest re offense rate, but they have much lighter sentences. There is a connection.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree on lighter sentences, and I think that female sentencing provides a serious legal jumping off point for MRAs to argue why men's sentences should also be lighter (they are, I believe, trending down in most types of charge save sexual assault).

Nominally treating people as individuals, though, is actually how a lot of implicit bias makes it's way into the system: if we don't account for our bias we are ruled by it. A couple found guilty of the same crime but triend and sentenced separately might evoke very different reactions in the judge: he comes across as a hardened criminal while she come across as a mom whose kids need her.

I agree that stats about your gender (or race, or religion, etc.) should not impact the sentencing of the individual. It might guide rehabilitation efforts. I also agree that criminal justice should be primarily rehabilitative.

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