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EUROPP – The problem with Iceland’s proposed ban on circumcision

93re2

April 28, 2018
9 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2018/04/27/the-problem-with-icelands-proposed-ban-on-circumcision/
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Title EUROPP – The problem with Iceland’s proposed ban on circumcision
Author

93re2

Upvotes 9
Comments 9
Date April 28, 2018 7:32 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8fm5w8/europp_the_problem_with_icelands_proposed_ban_on/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only problem with Iceland's proposed ban of infant circumcision is that it didn't pass.

[–]thrway_1000 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What utter bullshit. Protecting children from bad practices is one of the duties of government. Sorry. Deal.

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[–]Ted8367 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When the majority in a society suddenly gets an overwhelming paternalistic urge to protect its minorities from their own practices, one should be suspicious.

Iddo Porat wasn't suspicious enough to go into print when FGM was banned in Iceland; his suspicions are sexist, if I can still use that word in its original meaning. And why does he describe it as "paternalistic"? Apparently he doesn't realize the ban was put forward by a woman, Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir. In my opinion, he is simply using the term for the pejorative connotations, now well established by the feminist led discourse we all have to pay lip service to.

an overwhelming Christian majority wishes to ban the practices of two religious and ethnic minorities – Muslims and Jews.

The religious and cultural sensitivities of the FGM practitioners being ignored, of course. Why the difference? Is it that some religions and cultures are just better than others, or could it be sexism?

[–]AmbitiousPlankton 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He continues to talk about "cost" but fails to mention what the costs of circumcision even are.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares if it's practiced by a minority?

Practices need to be evaluated on their own merit, and not given a pass just because a minority does them.

[–]tenchineuro 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When the majority in a society suddenly gets an overwhelming paternalistic urge to protect its minorities from their own practices, one should be suspicious. When what is believed to be morally wrong and worthy of moral condemnations aligns perfectly with what only ethnic and religious minorities do, one should be suspicious. When majority proposed legislation detrimentally affects only minority groups while imposing zero costs on the majority, one should be suspicious.

Was Iddo Porat suspicious in 2005 when Iceland banned FGM?

[–]93re2[S] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He goes on to contend/imply something along the lines of how that's different because women are a minority group and men have more power, so when girls get cut it's the patriarchy doing it and that's bad. I'm paraphrasing here.

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women are a minority group

Really? On wait, what was I thinking.

After reading a few paragraphs I thought I could see where he was going, and I was pretty much on the mark.

This idea has been mooted in Denmark as well, and the Danes seem more hard headed, I'm really interested to see how this plays out in Denmark.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the proposed ban- fucking nothing.

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