Muslim Women Denied French Citizenship for not Shaking Hands

[–]GypsyHavok1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (109 children) | Copy Link

I’m not sure what part of being a guest in another persons country gives you the impression that you can shit on their traditions because they don’t align with yours.

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Terrorism is an ideological idea is what i believe, firstly we have to defeat the source of the frustration of the youths who go on commiting such crimes.

Secondly, i live in Europe and the biggest Westeners here are the second and third generation of muslims, yes they retain their muslim identity but their lives are practically the same as those of the westeners.

Secondly immigrants can't be put in ghettos, this has been a trend that's not good since it doesn't make integration possible.

We don't even know if radicalism will decline or rise, major changes in world politics will dictate that.

Also terrorism isn't actually as huge a problem as people tend to think, sure they're avoidable deaths but the problem has been blown out of proportion ( no pun intented ) because it's such a controversial issue.

The numbers shows that it's not even in the top 100 of avoidable deaths.

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Where are the illegal votes from? I thought that was disproved...Either way I think Russia is going to keep at it and maybe the next time they will install someone you arent in favour of..what then?

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You to know alot about what my narrative is. I am not a neither a Clinton supporter nor a Trump supporter. Its laughable you think Tump isnt in Russia's pocket, the man cannot say a bad thing about Putin and numerous members of his staff are either under investigation or already have pled guilty. Its a pity the tribalism runs so strong in US politics. its basically us against them and Russia is laughing at you right now.

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[–]GypsyHavok1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

I like this double standard we have to hold ourselves to as Americans. We get shit on when we don’t respect customs traditions abroad, then little shit lords like you condemn other Americans for not being inclusive enough when we get mad that someone comes here and tries to change American society to fit their religion/culture. Liberty and freedom have nothing to do with respecting another nations culture and traditions, it’s not a free pass to be a dick.

[–]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

America has a culture of assimilation, people go to America to become Americans a live the American dream.

Try living in Australia, where the government pushes "multiculturalism" which means "come here, keep your culture, it'll all be fine".

It's not all fine. The American way is the way on this. I don't want anyone in my country that doesn't respect and want to join the culture.

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[–]GhostofB1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck am I a "settler" you daft cunt? I was born here.

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I am fully self aware and I have no guilt about Australia's origins, we're a fantastic country thanks to colonisation. It's wonderful here. We also have a decent education system, which seems to be lacking wherever you're from, you write like a retard.

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Let other people enjoy then maybe?

I'm pro immigration you useless fucking cumstain.

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Wow, you're a complete fucking idiot.

No, no other large religions murder people. Individual psycho cunts might, but Islam is quite unique in that the ringleaders in the religion declare who should be killed. Christianity doesn't issue fatwas calling for killings, and either does Buddhism or Siekism or Judaism or Hinduism... This is an Islamic problem.

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What do you think the Israeli occupation of Palestine is about?

You think the occupation of Israel is for the purpose of religious murder? As I said before you're a complete fucking idiot.

Yes, nation states make moves to keep shit-hole countries suppressed because if barbarians run the world we're fucked. As a non-American I'm pleased that America is the superpower and not the oil rich rulers in the Middle East.

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We're talking about religious killing you simple cunt, not forced eviction and land grabs.

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France is a sovereign nation and can have whatever rules it wants. Unless you’re a citizen there, you have zero say in the matter. How would you feel about someone in France telling America they have the wrong rules? Self determination goes both ways.

Facts. She refused to shake the hand of the person who was going to be granting her citizenship.

The government said her behaviour showed she was "not assimiliated into the French community" - one of the reasons it can invoke under the civil code to oppose citizenship.

You could say the exact same sentence about any other country in the world including the US. You MUST show you are willing to acclimate to the community of the country you want to join. Don’t like it? Then you don’t get to come in, simple as that.

Same argument is often made for “they’re in America, they should have to be able to pass a basic knowledge test in English.”

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English is absolutely the official language, go to any state government office

Federally, the USA has no official language. At a state level, 30 states have English as the official language, but Hawaiian is an official language in Hawaii, and Alaska has about 20 official languages.

It's ok to not know things, it's not ok to say stupid shit like "English is absolutely the official language" when you actually have no fucking idea.

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I'm not American. Hawaii has Hawaiian and English. Alaska has English and about 20 native languages. About 50 million Americans speak Spanish and there's government websites in Spanish.

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There is nothing in Islam that says men and women can't shake hands.

Yeaaaaaaah....that's not correct. Islam is pretty clear on this: no shaking hands between men and women who are not "mahram" (a "mahram" includes the husband as well as all people that the woman cannot marry e.g. brother, father, son etc.).

Exhibit A:

It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

(Reference: Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045, that this hadeeth is saheeh.)

Exhibit B:

Muhammad bin Munkadir said that he heard Umaimah bint Ruqaiqah say: “I came to the Prophet (ﷺ) with some other women, to offer our pledge to him. He said to us: ‘(I accept your pledge) with regard to what you are able to do. But I do not shake hands with women.’”

(Reference: http://sunnah.com/urn/1277230)

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There are verses in the Quran that actually condemn Hadith by name.

That's not correct either. Hadith is the collective word used for the sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). And this is what the Quran says about the actions of the Prophet:

Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow, for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much. (33:21)

If the Prophet didn't shake hands with women, it makes sense for Muslims (who are told that he is a good example to follow) to do the same and refrain from shaking hands with people of the opposite gender.

And if that seems extreme, consider this next verse:

"It may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know." (2:216)

Since a Muslim believes in Allah, they also believe that His knowledge and wisdom are infinite. So if Allah has prohibited this action, as depicted by His Prophet, there's wisdom in that prohibition. The fact that we may or may not be able to grasp that doesn't change its value.

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Islam does not allow stranger men women to even touch or shake hands. Its her religon and she believes.

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For a guy who's so against Tribalism and Nationalism he calls them cancers, you seem to really dislike Britain and the Brits, and think America is much better. It seems a bit... contradictory? to me.

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You can't possibly be serious with this comment. Not only are you attempting to compare Nuremberg laws to a handshake, but it wouldn't even be a helpful analogy even if it wasn't vile, considering:

A) German crimes were never about refusing foreign Jews the right to migrate there, which would have not only been a legal position to hold, but significantly preferable to what actually happened.

B) Why would any Jew want to migrate to Germany at the height the Nuremberg laws? (hint: They wouldn't)

Also, while you are absurdly grasping back to world war II to add unneeded hyperbole to your strange position of immigration entitlement, you would do well to recall that the very pretext for the many invasions and the violence of WWII, and violence all throughout that century was directly due to the number of "ethnic _____ citizens" to be found and supposedly "oppressed" in the countries which they lived yet never considered themselves true members of, and therefore, never assimilated into.

Title	Muslim Women Denied French Citizenship for not Shaking Hands
Author	yourmommaisonmynuts
Upvotes	275
Comments	146
Date	April 20, 2018 2:22 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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