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The term ‘misandry’ often strikes me as a kind of urban myth. Misandry is defined as the hatred or dislike of men or boys, characterised by discrimination, denigration, sexual objectification, and/or violence against males. It is often considered a feminist reaction against misogyny

Imnotmrabut

August 19, 2017
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Title The term ‘misandry’ often strikes me as a kind of urban myth. Misandry is defined as the hatred or dislike of men or boys, characterised by discrimination, denigration, sexual objectification, and/or violence against males. It is often considered a feminist reaction against misogyny
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Date August 19, 2017 1:42 PM UTC
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[–]ifelsedowhile 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

her use of the word institutional is incorrect: institutional refers to something upheld by law while she lists examples of cultural/social discriminations (or perceveid ones).

[–]fengpi 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

When you start asking them deeper questions, you start to discover that a lot of feminists typically have no idea what "institutions" actually are. I've reached the conclusion that they like using the word "institutional" because it sounds like what an intelligent grown-up ought to say and it sounds a little foreboding.

What do I mean? You take a non-sexist person and put them into a group which is "institutionally sexist," and they do sexist things, perhaps unbeknownst to them. Okay, but there needs to be some mechanism that carries the "institutionally sexist" instructions to the people and the instructions need to be comprehensible so that they can be acted upon. Information is required to pass this stuff along, such as rules, procedures, incentives, rituals, some mechanism. What specialists might call "institutional memory," for instance. You go in, and the group somehow says: "this is the way we do things." There has to be some kind of carrier-wave for the sexism. Furthermore, it can't be so overt as to be blatantly illegal, it has to be too subtle for anyone to see except for a sharp-eyed feminist "expert" who has trained for many years to uncover Sexism Micro-Particles with the special electron microscope that only feminists know how to use.

So what is the carrier? What is the institutional mechanism that propagates that stuff? Well, I've never gotten a straight answer. The best they can come-up with is "culture". Shared unspoken assumptions from the misogynistic culture in which everybody is immersed. Ah, so it doesn't come from the institution, then? It comes from the "culture"? So the institution isn't to blame, then? So it doesn't deserve to be called "institutional sexism" seeing as how the sexism is from the surrounding culture, right? So why call it "institutional" if the culture, not the institution, is to blame? And then they resort to fast-talk about how "culture is an institution" and blah blah blah.

And at this point, you start to think they have no fucking clue what they're talking about and, in fact, I will go so far as to say that feminists chronically mis-apprehend what organizations are at an extremely fundamental level. (How they do seem to apprehend organizations would be another essay entirely) And the more I examine feminism from this perspective, the more bullshitting and doofus-level ideas I see on their side. For instance, they talk about "institutional sexism" but then they celebrate whenever a woman graduates-up through the ranks to the top of an institution, as if there's something in her DNA that's going to resist all the conforming that she did in order to get there-- as if the woman has managed to lie her way up through all of those filters in order to serve the institution's needs but when she gets to the top she's going to rip-off her mask and say "Ah hah! I've been a covert feminist this whole time! The cultural/institutional sexism hasn't affected me at all and now I can enact my secret designs!" It's like they can't take one of their own concepts and apply it two steps down the road. I could talk for half an hour about this. Imagine if Isaac Newton, after he discovered gravity, then went-on to assume that after the apple hit the ground, the grass then held it down to earth and stopped it from floating-off into space?

[–]girlwriteswhat 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the most hilarious example of the misuse of "institutional sexism" was during the episode of The Big Questions when discussing discrimination against men and boys, and Milo Yiannopolous kept getting interrupted by feminists, and had the temerity to say, "If you'd let me finish. We're talking about men here, darling."

Kate Smurthwaite immediately jumped on the "darling" bomb and started yelling, "that's sexism! Institutional sexism!" Uh... no. A gay guy called you "darling" and then laughed at your over the top outrage over it. Where's the institutionalization?

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Heh. Wisecracking gay men are institutions in of themselves, I guess.

If I had to bet money, Kate thought "institutional" sounds like a smart grown-up word and she needed to feel like a smart grown-up after hearing "darling."

That reminds me of something that happened back when Christine Lagarde was put in charge of the IMF. I remember seeing this one feminist commenter on Alternet call that a "victory." She knew absolutely nothing about Lagarde, not a single thing, except that she had a vagina and that's a "victory." So I started asking her: was the IMF institutionally sexist? Yes. Okay, but Christine Lagarde worked-up through the ranks of this institutionally-sexist hellhole, internalizing all of its awful institutional sexism and patriarchal vibes, but now you think she hasn't absorbed any of that? And the notion clearly didn't compute with her, even though I was using her own concepts and vocabulary. She didn't get the point because she just wanted to declare something a victory despite the fact that she obviously knew nothing about what was going on, except IMF = Patriarchy and Vagina = Good. I guess to have a vagina automatically inoculates you from any and all "institutional sexism," but only by the time you reach the topmost ranks and it's time to celebrate something.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s quite understandable why someone might interpret these texts as hateful or mocking of men, but they’re really no such thing. In Angry White Men, Kimmel points out that these shows don’t actually make fun of men at all – they make fun of patriarchy. They mock “…the inflated sense of entitlement, the arrogant bluster, and the silly prerogatives that any illegitimate form of power would confer on the powerful.”

This is a textbook demonstration of feminist apologia, aka "When men do it, it's hateful (misogyny) and sexism. When women do the exact same time, it's harmless or completely justified, because reasons".

Feminists do this shit all the time. It's nothing more than doublethink to excuse their truly awful behaviour and still let them think they are the good guys.

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, so I guess a lot of misogyny is just mocking female collusion with patriarchy. The simpering, the weakness, the crying, the vain obsession with beauty, playing dumb to get what you want out of men, the childlike fantasies of being swept-away by a knight on horseback... it's all just mocking female collusion with patriarchy rather than actually hating women.

I can spin bullshit tales pretty well, too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bleh.

  • Misandry is not institutionalised.

Yes it is. Men are more likely than women to be convicted for the same crimes and are given longer sentences. Men can be forced to fight in wars against their will. Men can be forced to pay child support for children that aren't even theirs. These are all instances of prejudicial treatment towards men by societal institutions.

  • Misandry is not about hating men.

Basically, the author is arguing that misandry is about hating masculinity, not men. This is no different from the religious rhetoric of "hating the sin, not the sinner" regarding homosexuality. It's intellectually dishonest nonsense. But if you're still not convinced, here's how dumb it sounds when applied to women: "Women should cover their faces with burqas when being outside of the house, not because we hate women, but because we hate the temptation their celestial beauty creates when men gaze upon their faces. We don't mean to punish women; we love women! We just hate the concept of feminine beauty and how it tempts men into immorality and sin."

  • The illusion of misandry in popular culture.

The author was genuinely doing well in this section, but eventually regressed to the above line of thinking. This time, they use the argument that pop culture doesn't make fun of men, but rather it makes fun of the Patriarchy. "Think about it," the author says. "In these shows, how often is the man being the butt of a joke the result of him trying to tell someone else what to do, to assert authority over others?" Honestly? Very rarely. Off the top of my head, I remember an entire episode arc from The Big Bang Theory involving a "war" between Sheldon and Penny, because Sheldon banned her from the apartment for breaking certain rules. So, in this case, Penny was entirely in the wrong. She was a guest in Sheldon's house, she behaved in ways that Sheldon didn't approve of, so, after "three strikes", he told her that she was no longer welcome in his house. A person has the right to do that. But no, Penny actually fought against him, at some point uttering the phrase "I don't care. I was in Junior Rodeo. I can hog-tie and castrate him in sixty seconds." simply because Sheldon changed the password of his WiFi that she had been using for free. In the end, she wins this "war" by calling Sheldon's mother who then humiliates him and forces him to apologize to Penny. And, of course, throughout this whole thing, the audience keeps laughing at Sheldon and cheering for Penny.

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Whether or not misandry is "the equal and opposite reaction to misogyny" is, in fact, irrelevant. This isn't Oppression Olympics. Since the author admits that misandry exists, it should be enough that something must be done for it. Why compare it to misogyny? What purpose does it serve to compare the two, other than cause more division in an already divisive topic?

[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a 3 year old blog post on an obscure Wordpress site. I'm not sure I should care about this to be honest ...

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're lying to either yourself, or to everyone else, ...

Well in this case, I'm not because I didn't even read it.

Why on earth should anyone want to read a 3-year old post on an obscure blog read by how many people?

If you can convince me that this post is significant - e.g. it was written by someone relatively well-known or influential such as Clem Ford, or Amanda Marcotte or bell hooks / Bell Hooks or whoever the hell then it would be worth it.

Otherwise, I'd be wasting my time one something nobody read when it was published the first time round.

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[–]Imnotmrabut[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know - it's hard to make sense of SJW+Gynocentric Logic when it results in the idea that Julie Bindel is not a man-hater when she is so happy telling the world she is, whilst also telling the world she's a not feminist and she demands she's just about the biggest bad ass and most radical feminist in the Universe.

STEM is wasted on so many.

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