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Daily Telegraph: German woman sues hotel to find name of man who made her pregnant. Court tells her no.

jdgalt

May 2, 2017
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/german-woman-sues-hotel-find-identity-father-child/
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Title Daily Telegraph: German woman sues hotel to find name of man who made her pregnant. Court tells her no.
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jdgalt

Upvotes 156
Comments 37
Date May 2, 2017 5:53 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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Comments

[–]ShiningConcepts 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is also a bit of a sad story because now that poor kid is gonna grow up without a father, and it's that bitch's fault. I don't believe that man should be forced to be a father after 7 years (especially with how the family court system works); this whole situation is her fault, not his.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is also a bit of a sad story because now that poor kid is gonna grow up without a father

Oh give me a break. Yes, kids should have role models, but that doesn't mean that it should be the guy who donated his sperm. No sad story here at all.

[–]ShiningConcepts 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The kid should have someone. Sucks that his only one is this irresponsible woman.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The kid should have someone.

It does - the mom, or whoever she gives it to or spends time with.

Sucks that his only one is this irresponsible woman.

Agreed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck do women need to go to escorts. One of the many benefits to being a woman is the ability to have sex very easily. Very very easily.

If you have to pay for a male escort as a woman....you are probably UGLY AS A MOTHER FUCKING TURD IN A NAKED MOLE RATS MOUTH.

[–]jdgalt[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who suggested they do?

[–]scouseking90 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She didn't pay for an escorts. .. she likely met someone on a night our and fucked them in a hotel room.

[–]Arresteddrunkdouche 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Awww dude. A little harsh. People need company. I feel for the people in Japan that go to restaurants just to pay good looking people to talk to them. Ugly ass men get prostitutes and usually they're lonely people too.

The argument I usually have for this is if a woman is about to be homeless - hey you can sell your ass...it's something ._. - a dude can't do that. Hence 90% population of homeless. That's a puss pass.

Some people be lonely, but HOLY SHIT SHE FUCKED THE MALE PROSTITUTE WITH NO RUBBER AND GOT PREGNANT!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqB3TJQAb2s

Edit: Wait was it really a male escort or did you just make that up?

[–]ILazanna 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how trashy you can be not to recall the people you've had sex with in the past month

[+]The3liGator -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that's a pussypassdenied. Isn't it any parent's right to know who the other is?

Also, that guy is going to get away with not paying child support, leaving it to the taxpayers.

[–]Ireyon12 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

After seven years? No.

She alone decided she wants the child. She could've had an abortion, she could've given him or her up for adoption. She chose to do none of the above.

One of the core values of a pussypass is allowing the recipient to escape the consequences of her actions. This was denied here.

[+]The3liGator -13 points-12 points-11 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I didn't read the article tbh. I thought she just got pregnant.

Still though, the child has a right to know who their dad is.

Also, pussypass is getting away with action because of gender, it's not a general term for escaping consequences.

[–]OPsellsPropane 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You're asserting that the child has a moral right to know. But there is no legal right for either the child or mother to know.

Ideally every child knows their parents. But you can't legally force that to be the case.

[–]The3liGator -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

From what I understand the legality depends on where you live.

But you can't legally force that to be the case.

Are laws set in stone? They can be changed.

[–]OPsellsPropane 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Law student in the US here, I have never heard of a law that grants the right to know who your parents are. That's more of a societal morality argument than a legal argument.

Sure, a person should know who their parents are. But that isn't something the legal system monitors or can enforce. How do you suggest a future law be written then? As in, how do you enforce someone's right to know who their father is? Are you suggesting the hotel should be legally forced to provide this information? Think about all the confidentiality issues that would arise under that presumption.

Hypo: a child doesn't know their father but they know that Chase Bank has that information in their client database. You can't set a legal precedent where Chase has to hand over private and confidential client information just because the child claims they have a right to know their father. In this hypo, Chase's legal obligation to keep private information secure trumps the child's hypothetical right to know who their father is.

So sure, a law could be passed, but I don't see any practical way a law like that could be enforced.

Edit: This regards how it would work in the US, I have no idea about Germany. But I wouldn't support the notion you suggested because it grants one person a legal right while allowing another person's legal right to privacy to be violated as result.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think the child's right to know their parent supersedes the parents' right to privacy.

[–]OPsellsPropane 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, that's not how it would work in the US because the right to privacy is engrained into the Constitution and all State constitutions.

So you'd have to make it a constitutional right for a child to know their parent. That's never going to happen. Constitutional rights trump everything.

You can't create a new legal right at the expense of existing legal rights. Your suggestion would do nothing but put third parties in a large amount of liability. They aren't going to want to share private information because they can get sued for sharing the private information.

So forcing third parties to choose between being sued by their client for sharing private info and being sued by a child for not sharing their client's private info just isn't legally fair and would never happen.

[–]IMolestKittens points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lmao. That faggot supported Hillary Clinton. Fucking faggot talking about moral rights yet advocates for moral relativism

[–]OPsellsPropane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You'd do yourself a favor by cutting the petty insults and making a real contribution to the discussion!

Your comment could be this:

Left-leaning people tend to view issues and problems in the scope of ideal solutions rather than practical or realistic solutions. Their solutions have a tendency to be emotionally driven and not rationally driven. Not all liberals do this, however. Tends to be ones that are far left on the US political spectrum.

[–]tsudonimh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you read the article, you'd discover that the woman was trying to get the hotel to release the personal information of all their clients named "Michael" that stayed during that period.

The court rightfully ruled that unless she could come up with a bit more detail, they weren't going to order the hotel violate the privacy of multiple men - especially since the man in question probably gave a fake name to begin with.

[–]jdgalt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It's only fair that CS be left to the taxpayers in general. If that man had intended to agree to support a child he would have married her first. That's what marriage was created for.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure marriage was created for that... but if that's the rule, I never intended to marry anyways.

[–]thepennydropsI FUCKING HATE ALL WOMEN. 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck. That's not why I got married. Marriage vows don't mention supporting a child. A decision to have a child and support it has nothing to do with marriage. Unmarried couples have children. Married couples have children. Homosexual couples adopt children. None of it is because they were married.

[+]The3liGator -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is between a man and a woman, not necessarily for kids. It's not fair that CS be left o taxpayers because taxpayers didn't ask for it. He made a decision and it had unintended consequences; he should take responsibility.

[–]Lofty_quackers 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

She made the decision to not even get the guy's name.

[–]The3liGator 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

She did, but that doesn't change the fact that she still has the right to the name of the child's father. As does the child.

Think about it, if the kid was you, would you be okay with never knowing who your dad is?

[–]Lofty_quackers 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She doesn't have the right to know. She gave that up when she spent 3 days with him and forgot to get a name.

It would be nice for the kid to know, but mom made that decision for the baby when she spent three days with him and forgot to get a name.

You don't have a right to your parents' information. If you did, closed adoptions wouldn't exist.

My mother grew up not knowing her mother's name or anything about her. At least this kid will have a first name. If that is even the guy's real first name.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She gave that up when she spent 3 days with him and forgot to get a name.

I doubt she knew she was pregnant then.

mom made that decision for the baby when she spent three days with him and forgot to get a name.

Does the mother get to make that decision?

You don't have a right to your parents' information. If you did, closed adoptions wouldn't exist.

You do. closed adoptions don't eliminate that right.

My mother grew up not knowing her mother's name or anything about her.

I'm sorry for both of you, but would you decline the opportunity? Why make another child go through the same thing?

[–]Lofty_quackers 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes,she made that choice. The act of having sex shows she picked a potential father. Deciding to have the kid, while not knowing the guy's name shows she decided to have a kid with someone who she does not know. She made choices.

Don't feel sorry for anyone. DNA does not equal a magical loving bond. In the long run, it doesn't matter what my biological grandmother's name was. I really don't care. And, if my mother cared, she could have asked my grandfather or his family at any point. They have the information. She isn't interested.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't feel sorry for anyone.

Geez, I thought I had a lack of empathy.

The mother made the choices, but that shouldn't take away the child's right to know the parent. There are choices a parent shouldn't be able to make for their child.

So, because your mother didn't care, no one should? fuck them for wanting peace?

[–]Lofty_quackers 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they want to know...let them try to find a way that does not disturb the right to privacy that the biological father or other three men with the same first name are entitled to. In this situation, there are three totally innocent people who have zero to do with this. Their rights are no less important.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She gave that up when she spent 3 days with him and forgot to get a name.

I doubt she knew she was pregnant then.

I doubt he wanted a kid with her then.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about it, if the kid was you, would you be okay with never knowing who your dad is?

If it means destroying his life via child support, I'd rather he have his life.

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is between a man and a woman, not necessarily for kids.

Uh, no, it's between two adults.

It's not fair that CS be left o taxpayers because taxpayers didn't ask for it.

It's more unfair to make a man slave away for 18+ years of his life to pay for something he never wanted.

He made a decision and it had unintended consequences

He decided to have sex, just like she did. He didn't decide to have children with her.

he should take responsibility.

He doesn't get pregnant - she does.

[–]ShiningConcepts 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Marriage is between a man and a woman,

No, it is between two adults.

[–]The3liGator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That too

[–]Wraeclast_Exile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, that guy is going to get away with not paying child support, leaving it to the taxpayers.

Maybe he didn't want a kid with her - ever think of that?

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