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Translating an Anti-Feminist "Traditional" Woman

EqualRightsAdvocate

April 10, 2017
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Title Translating an Anti-Feminist "Traditional" Woman
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EqualRightsAdvocate

Upvotes 14
Comments 18
Date April 10, 2017 8:24 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–]ExpendableOne 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There's certainly a troubling portion of anti-feminism that is rooted in traditionalism, rather than legitimate care/concern for men and gender equality. Typically, this is women who want to embrace a "traditional" role of submissive whenever it's convenient to, because that's a luxury that is available to them.

The ironic part is that this isn't even entirely anti-feminist, because most feminist movements would historically prioritize women over the issues and would legitimize/defend women's preferences over anything else. Most feminists have, historically, protested gender roles they didn't like, while firmly enforcing others because it benefited them. At no point in the history of feminism has there ever been any call to women towards the purpose of embracing or appreciating less "masculine" men or stay-at-home fathers.

[–]quackquackoopz 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why is traditionalism troubling?

If anything, I'd say Feminism is to a large extent at its core traditionalism at warp speed - men must keep doing and providing and dying as they always have, and this will be taken advantage of to protect and advance women.

[–]Samniss_Arandeen 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You just answered your own question.

[–]quackquackoopz -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair point, though I call that part of traditionalism biological reality.

Women are never going to be 50% of military combatants for example because a society that gets anywhere close to that proportion would already have been long overdue for absolute slaughter by an all-man military. Women are always going to bear children and produce milk, so men are always on balance going to have a provider role (unless the state completely replaces fatherhood).

[–]Meyright 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Problem is, the traditional protection mechanisms for men have been eradicated by feminists. Every male power has been subsidized by the state, while all female power is still intact on top of the lacking responsibilities men still have to take. Thats what "Sasha" is talking about in the last paragraph of this picture, lacking no fault divorce, lacking having financial power etc.

Its not that I want men having these "powers" back, its that I want women to take responsibility for theirs! Until then, there will be no equal marriages.

[–]-redditardation- -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Traditionalism isn't terrible in the sense that it has worked.

Feminism doesn't and is pretty close to tearing Western society apart.

I'll happily stand along side any traditionalist against this madness even though I find many of their ideas equally offensive (I assume you don't mean fundamentalist Jihadis who execute gays, just Christian folk who believe in chastity until marriage at worst).

I also think ignoring feminism denigrating the stay at home mom isn't accurate. This wasn't so much an issue in the past but these days they are seen as the enemy or at the very least sleeping with the enemy.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Traditionalism isn't terrible in the sense that it has worked.

This is an argument that could be used against any form of progress and for just about anything. It's an excuse that is commonly invoked by religious extremism. There is nothing good about following tradition for the sake of tradition. People need to always be trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. What makes sense and what doesn't. What is sensible/ethical and what isn't. Traditionalism is inherently anti-progress.

[–]-redditardation- 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, there's a good saying to go with this: 'It isn't better because it's new but it isn't good because it's old.'

The issue is currently people are scrapping traditions under no better guise than we have something new and untested but because it is new it must definitively be better. In many cases it isn't working. A good example would be the breakup of the family unit and the effects it has on children.

Traditionalism can be reformed but progress moves slow. This can serve as a benefit or a detriment. It moves slow enough that you see the effects of the changes. That is to say it would protect against bad changes but would also impede good ones.

Progressivism worked great until Marxist ideologues took over and it is nothing more than ideology over reason or reality.

[–]quackquackoopz 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing the number of feminist friends I have who wailed about The Patriarchy for years, and have since jumped at the original patriarchal structure of being a stay at home mother being provided for by the husband. They inevitably square this circle by framing it in terms of feminism being about choice.

They continue to call themselves feminists and wail about The Patriarchy.

[–]hatefulreason 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No matter what you do, it s not good enough for someone. Equal rights and obligations, free choice, i say

[–]BrickmasterBen 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I willing

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This kind of stuff always feels a bit fetish-y, if you know what I mean. Like those people who role-pay being "Goreans". It doesn't feel like the soundest theoretical basis for anti-feminism and I can imagine she'll get tired of it after a while.

That said, the comment seems a bit mean-minded. If she's happy, and her husband is happy, as long as it's all consensual, what's the harm? Whatever floats your boat, and all that...

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Seems more religious to me, but maybe that's just what we've been exposed to.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I just have a dirty mind. But...

"I serve him."

That just feels a bit like they're living out their erotic fantasy for all the world to see. But whatever... as long as they're not going up to random strangers on the bus and asking them if they're opened minded.

I'm sure you're right, though. It's probably just me. It would seem that I have grown up to be the man my mother warned me about.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL Well I'm sure there are some women who want that sort of thing but equally if it's two consenting adults then it's nobodies fucking business. It really is amazing that feminists have become as bad as evangelicals when it comes to trying to tell people what to think and feel and they don't even fucking realise it.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that sort of thing weirds me out a bit too. Whatever works for the two of them, fair enough, but it just seems wrong to me.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see that. Like I said, it's probably the different things we've been exposed to.

For me, this sounds like the whole Christian Submissive Wife thing.

[–]-redditardation- 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does seem like it is build around a lot of subservience but I don't think these people are fetishists (they're probably real boring). They just see the world as man works 8-12 hours in a job he doesn't like being at for me and the family. I owe him a meal, clean home and an orgasm at night.

Conservative folk aren't the sexual deviants. Even when they 'go crazy' it's just a Christian girls doing a guy in a cubicle. When 'liberal' folks go crazy you get eFUKTs shit white people do.

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