Is there much difference between being average looking and ugly?

Il128 · 2017-06-25T01:40:36+00:00

No there isn't.

There's a terrifically big gap between average and hot though. It took me almost an entire year before I completed my transformation from meh to hot. Took a year of very dedicated calorie counting and lifting.

I've improved my looks consistently for almost a year, but it's only been recently that I've seen the full effects. Talking to women is effortless, and men respect you more as well.

The-Hardball-Player · 2017-06-25T01:52:51+00:00

Your looks are either something that people notice or not. If they notice, it's either very good or very bad.

Your looks are probably not what people notice...

So what are they noticing?....

Pluglord · 2017-06-25T02:08:47+00:00

There isn't a difference between average and ugly. The only difference is that an ugly guy gets noticed more than an attractive guy.

ecocrat · 2017-06-25T04:46:12+00:00

I disagree with the 20% rule and yes there is a difference. Ugly guys will not get the time of day from most girls, if you are average you can make girls wet by having lots of other good qualities. I've seen it before. One of my best friends is average or below average honestly, and his girlfriend is easily a HB8.5 at least. This is because he is intelligent and has a very bold personality- and is the master of shit tests. She calls this dude up all the time and he will literally hang up halfway through the conversation if she says something he doesn't like or bores him. Often he will hang up for no reason at all

[deleted] · 2017-06-25T12:11:51+00:00

i'm in the same predicament. I got too much fat along with the muscle so while the people who knew me when i was a stick noticed more and started touching my arms, those who never knew me didn't give a second glance. Are you around 15% bodyfat?

blackedoutfast · 2017-06-25T18:10:51+00:00

the 80/20 thing isn't entirely based on physical appearance, it's based on SMV and appearance is just one component of that. there are ugly dudes in the top 20% and hot dudes in the 80% that aren't getting tons of action.

looking good means you get more inital interest from girls and you're starting from a better position. hot guys still have to finish the drill. girls will cold open and approach hot guys but if the dude is awkward, lame, boring, submissive, etc he can definitely still fuck it up and not get laid.

it's the opposite for ugly guys. they will never get lots of IOIs from girls and the ugly guy will have to do a lot of cold opening. and once he starts talking to a girl he better have some A+ game if he wants to get laid because he has a lot of ground to make up compared to hot guys.

every girl will have different thresholds for what she considers "ugly and completely unfuckable" on one end and "super hot" on the other. most guys will be somewhere in the middle for most girls. if there is something unusual about a particular guy's appearance, it can be polarizing and a small number of girls will almost fetishize it while others will be completely disgusted by it.

the minimal standard for being completely unfuckable just based on physical appearance is actually really low. unless you have something like a serious facial deformity, you're not an automatic incel. the real problem for most ugly guys is that the rest of their SMV needs to be top tier to make up for their bad appearance. for example: ugly guys need extremely high confidence, but usually they have very low confidence due to their appearance.

exit_sandman · 2017-06-25T01:44:26+00:00

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, in other words: the difference is the woman you're asking.

Sure, some guys are objectively more attractive than others, like the four main Avengers sans Mark Ruffalo, and some are more ugly than others like the real life Peter Griffin, but in general you're usually average for a few women and eew for a lot of others.

FuckboyAWALT · 2017-06-25T01:31:56+00:00

As long as you are not a creep it's fine. Improve game and you have better chances than the hottest guy w/o game.

Title	Is there much difference between being average looking and ugly?
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Date	June 25, 2017 1:30 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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