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[–]William__F0ster 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
I don't know.
It is kind of funny in an ironic way though e.g. this from their website (my bold):
We are a very friendly team and want everybody to feel welcome and not intimidated about joining a gym
Wants "everybody to feel welcome". No men allowed.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Everyone is welcome if we welcome you*
*Note: only half the population is welcome
[–]William__F0ster 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link
Well, quite.
Actually, I have to come clean and say I don't have any issue with a woman-only gym at all - so long as, of course, there are no restrictions on there being men-only gyms.
Only as I understand it, that's not allowed - do I have that right, or not?
Edit
So I tried Googling for 'Men only gyms' and apparently none exist. I did find some interesting comments on this though e.g.
Using women-only spaces to justify men-only ones is deeply ironic. The only thing they have in common is that they both exist because of male privilege.
Says Laura 'Everyday Sexism' Bates
[–]jimmywiddle 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
What do you expect from the Everyday sexism project ? Logic ? Intelligence ? Balance ? You will be sorely dissapointed
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
What do you expect from the Everyday sexism project ?
Now there's a question!
Actually, serious now, have you ever been on there and read any of the posts? I know she closed it down - once, you know, it gave her the professional media career she presumably had in mind when she started it - but for a while you could read through the comments that were there.
It was pretty incredible - all anonymous, not a single one substantiated so impossible to tell which were fabrications or not (and no effort made to find out).
I only managed to read the first few pages/screens, but I remember being startled by a woman complaining that a waitress had come to her table and set down the plate with a steak at her husband's place, but the bowl with the salad at hers - she was furious at the waitress because the order was the reverse (i.e. hers was the steak, his the salad).
And next to that was a long, rambling tale from a student in a student house who - as far as I could gather - seemed to be alleging that her ex-boyfriend who lived in the same house had raped her - which is obviously a serious criminal allegation, and not even remotely an example of 'Everyday sexism.'
Anyway ...
[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I remember reading some of the stories, but they were utterly ridiculous.
You had mainly women complaining that men had looked at them. Women complaining that someone had push past them to get off a train. Women complaining that men hadn't leapt up from their seat on the train to offer their seat to a woman.
The whole site is ridiculous and has been badged "Everyday Whining" by several groups because of that very reason.
Everyday sexism really is just a demonstration of the special snowflake syndrome that feminists so desperately get off on. The site will survive because feminists and women love to constantly piss and moan about men in any way possible including petty and pathetic non issues which they do on that site.
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
"Everyday Whining"
Ha ha ha that's brilliant. Also, accurate.
Everyday sexism really is just a demonstration of the special snowflake syndrome that feminists so desperately get off on.
Hmm, I don't know though ... While there are many Tumblerinas out there for sure, I think it should always be remembered that there are an awful lot of highly intelligent, very articulate women out there who are committed to feminism with a passion that is quite unquenchable.
As a friend of mine remarked of Lenin once, intelligence is not only no bar to believing in mumbo jumbo, but actually facilitates it - because after all, the more intelligent you are the more able you are to rationalise and theorise your beliefs - however irrational what you believe in is.
What I mean is, Everyday Sexism is actually a very cunning way of appearing to provide evidence for the existence of an all pervasive rape culture (i.e. it's the idea that all the little 'micro-aggressions' are what normalises the idea that women are unimportant and from there, that men are entitled to their bodies as and when they want them).
I mean, it's nonsense - something which becomes apparent as soon as you delve into what was written their - but she/they were using the fallacy of the 'weight of numbers' to overwhelm critics (i.e. "Look! There are over a 100,000/1,000,000 comments left by ordinary women! That proves it!").
The fact that like with any petition of that sort that none of the stories are verifiable, but taken on trust and that any number of those messages could have been written as jokes and signed by M. Mouse or whatever requires someone to plough through them all to discover whether or not it's true - a truly Augean task which, in any case, is rendered futile because by the time you can expose the bullshit the narrative that it spins has since passed into common knowledge of the kind 'everyone knows'.
[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
"an awful lot of highly intelligent, very articulate women out there who are committed to feminism"
There really aren't.
"What I mean is, Everyday Sexism is actually a very cunning way of appearing to provide evidence for the existence of an all pervasive rape culture"
There is no such thing as "rape culture" and it doesn't prove that a non-existent entity exists. It just demonstrates the stupidity of feminists and from what I saw women who walk around in a constant state of being offended by just about everybody and everything.
Everyone that I have ever spoken to that has seen the every day sexism site has without any prompting told me its ridiculous. It has achieved nothing but demonstrate the ridiculousness of modern day feminism.
Anyone with half a brain does not take statistics or figures at face value and uses critical thinking to dig into the studies or material used to come to that figure. Saying that just because there is a number, that it is all powerful is something which is gladly becoming a thing of the past as people wake up to the fraudulent and blatantly biased studies that have been done.
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I beg to differ. I think if you want to present a cogent challenge to feminist politics, it is worth starting from the position that many of them - at the top I mean - are really quite intelligent indeed.
I agree that they generally wrong on almost every level that it's possible to be wrong on, but that does not make them less intelligent.
I would never confuse the regurgitating foot soldiers who've learned the feminist political catechisms which they spout endlessly on Tumblr with the folk higher up who wrote the catechism.
There is no such thing as "rape culture"
I think you'll find the comment I made after the one you quoted was:
... a very cunning way of appearing to provide evidence ... I mean, it's nonsense
So ... yes, I know. I even explained how it was nonsense:
... she/they were using the fallacy of the 'weight of numbers' to overwhelm critics (i.e. "Look! There are over a 100,000/1,000,000 comments left by ordinary women! That proves it!") [but] by the time you can expose the bullshit the narrative that it spins has since passed into common knowledge of the kind 'everyone knows'.
My point being that the energy required to create bullshit is in almost inverse proportion to the amount of effort to demonstrate how and why it's bullshit.
Bullshit expressed with fervour and passion gives it the patina of truth - or if not truth at least plausibility - that is very hard to untangle and leads the critic down the rabbit hole of complex details - by which time the audience may well have moved on and moved on in favour of the bullshitter.
Anyone with half a brain does not take statistics or figures at face value and uses critical thinking to dig into the studies or material used to come to that figure
Sure.
But being cunning is not the same as being intelligent; or not precisely so.
[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
I take your point on that, dumb people will believe dumb articles and sometimes its not worth the time to explain to said dumb people why the article is incorrect. However thats a very slippery slope and can lead to the "why bother trying at all" methodology which is dangerous and is why we are in the position we are in where feminist hysteria and lies now dominate the press and media and people lack the maturity and intellect to challenge it at all instead they gobble it up.
More people need to take the time and prove their lies to be false and to stand up to it, regardless of how long it takes and regardless of how many people may have moved on by that point. Slowly and surely when their articles and blogs are constantly debunked people will eventually wake up and realise the truth.
"I beg to differ. I think if you want to present a cogent challenge to feminist politics, it is worth starting from the position that many of them - at the top I mean - are really quite intelligent indeed."
And how exactly do you go about identifying the top of feminism ? They have no hierarchy, they have no leadership, and every feminist just makes up their own definition based on their own beliefs. That does not sound very intelligent to me. In fact over the last 10 years I have yet to meet an intelligent feminist, I have talked to and debated a lot both in real life and online and nearly all of them have resorted to petty labels and childish tit for tat politics and their ridiculous approach to solving issues which only solves half the problem for half the people just because one group suffers from something slightly more. The vast majority of them also appear to be suffering from mental health conditions and seem to be either incredibly narcissistic and or are suffering from depression. And before you come back with a NAFALT response, in my experience which I believe to be quite extensive compared to a lot of people they are. The only one that has broken that rule is Christina Hoff Summers and I would call her an egalitarian not a feminist.
[–]arkindal 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's perfectly fine.
It's not ok if at a regular gym they give extra time for women only, making men and women pay as much.
They have however all the rights to make a gym specifically for a specific target. Either the target being a gender or an age.
[–]jimmywiddle 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thats not entirely accurate. The above is a UK business and such has to abide by UK law. The Equalities act in the UK specifies that you can not discriminate unless you can prove that the reason you are providing services to a specific group is valid and fits into a very specific and narrow category.
As such as a man, if you walked into Curves (another female only gym but this time specifically for fat women) and asked to join they could not legally refuse you. If they did you could sue them because unless they can prove that by allowing men to use the facilities its going to degrade the service to women they really do not have a leg to stand on.
Contact the EASS (Equalities Assistance Support Service) in the UK and explain the case to them, they can check to see if they do or do not meet the requirements and they themselves can contact them and warn them they are in breach of the act.
I have used the EASS previously when UK gyms have offered cheaper packages to women than men for the same facilities. Be persistent with them and they will provide you with exactly the piece of the act they have breached.
[–]arkindal 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh I understand, well that changes everything then.
[–]jeff_the_nurse 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Say you identify as a woman and watch them wonder what to do.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck is wrong with female only gyms?
This is not a men's rights issue.
This only becomes a men's rights issue when a bunch of stupid feminists start picketing outside a near by men's only gym.
[–]Funcuz 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh, there's nothing wrong with the idea in principle. The issue is that if you suggest that maybe men need male-only spaces, well, that's sexist and misogynistic and regressive and yada, yada, yada...
When I was a kid not that long ago (full disclosure, I'm 41) there were still places men could go just to be men without women around. Nowadays that's sexism, apparently. Women also had women-only spaces but it was all more traditional so you couldn't advance up the career ladder at a girl guides outing or whatever. Nowadays, it's sexist for girls not to be allowed on a boy's hockey team yet somehow totally not sexist to deny the boys who get pushed out a space in a female roster somewhere. It's all quite ridiculous. The point is the hypocrisy.
There's nothing wrong with them. In fact, I encourage it as I believe that men and women both need segregated spaces. Nevertheless, it's completely blatantly sexist to say that spaces can exist just for women but not for men.
[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So by this logic you don't have a problem with White only establishments then sampatri ? The 1950's called and they want your attitude back.
And don't even pretend that men only gyms would be allowed as you know full well that they wouldn't.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't have any problems with White only establishments 'existing'. I do have a personal problem with it, so I wouldn't enter that kind of establishment.
As far as I know, no law against men-only establishments exist.
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[–]DaneWhitman 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That place looks like a dump.
[–]devious29 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They need a "unique" selling point (i.e. being women only), bearing in mind they're not even the best looking fitness place on that road. Hell, not even on that block. In a not terribly desirable area of Bristol (less than half a mile from the prison) at that.
[–]Swinship 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
my thoughts exactly, I thought the whole sexist thing is pointless if its a place no one wants to join lol
[–]AssAssIn46 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This would be okay if men only gyms are allowed. I don't know if they're allowed or not but even if they are, I doubt many of them exist.
[–]Eydude1 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why is this a problem?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ever seen a men's only gym? Think that society would be fine with it if one opens up?
[–]Eydude1 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes I have and no clue. Difference is that Ive seen pleanty of times that guys went up to girls snd touch them randomly in a very inappropriate way at the gym. Either way, this isnt a mensrights issue. Having this gym has literally no repercussions for us.
[–]NoNoNoMrKyle 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are female only gyms everywhere in Oz, but as you can tell by the lack of protests there are absolutely No male only spaces.
[–]superduperdudertudor 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is ok because it's a membership organization right? Does anyone know the legal details? I disagree with this in principal only because male only spaces usually end up being protested and sued when a female tries to join just to make a point. Men tend not to make a fuss about female only space (except for that guy who sued to work at hooters) BUT I know there are male only private social clubs in different places so I imagine it's all totally ok if it requires some form of membership? I think NY had a men only steak house or something way back and they had to let women in as the laws modernized
[–]8thling 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because of the free market
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