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Male able to get away with child sex abuse with no prison time. Sometimes it goes the other way, but probably the most important part is how his responsibility was diminished by being "underage", and tricked by "adults".

mwobuddy

December 11, 2016
6 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/09/19/teen-pleads-guilty-to-sexual-abuse-of-a-1-year-old-girl-then-a-judge-gives-him-no-prison-time/?utm_term=.4a5a37e67f64
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Title Male able to get away with child sex abuse with no prison time. Sometimes it goes the other way, but probably the most important part is how his responsibility was diminished by being "underage", and tricked by "adults".
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mwobuddy

Upvotes 6
Comments 16
Date December 11, 2016 4:59 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5hoi7n/male_able_to_get_away_with_child_sex_abuse_with/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/male-able-to-get-away-with-child-sex-abuse-with-no.936037
https://theredarchive.com/post/936037
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Comments

[–]HeForeverBleeds 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how his defense has any relevance to a men's rights subreddit, but I think the most significant part is:

The sentence has caused a backlash online. Two days after it was imposed, a petition to the White House was created to seek the judge’s removal from the bench. The petition, which called Degeest a sympathizer for a “toddler rapist,” now has more than 7,000 signatures.

A separate White House petition, which has more than 15,000 signatures, is seeking the removal of another judge, District Judge Myron Gookin, who accepted the plea deal with Grooms in July

Similar to the Brock Turner case, also mentioned in the article, it's not that males never get light sentences for sex crimes, but that in those rare cases that they do, there is without fail immediate and passionate national outrage, petitions, campaigns, and sometimes even law changes

Whereas conversely women frequently get sentences like probation for sex crimes and yet society accepts it often without any protest at all. There's an overall sentencing disparity between males and females, with sex crimes more than any others, that goes beyond individual incidents--and even more so a disparity is how society as a whole perceives male sex abusers compared with female

[–]mwobuddy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I think its very significant. Consider that he was treated with similar leniency to multiple 28 year old+ aged woman offenders, or underage female offenders.

What it says is that age and being able to blame an adult for tricking you downplays your agency and responsibility, which is exactly why teen girls never even get charged for distributing selfies to other teens (because distributing porn is considered harmful to minors and illegal), while even at the far end, an underage male can still claim adult influence to hugely impact consequences with something patently wrong. He should know better, and I think 99% of teens do, than to do that to a baby, regardless of who's asking you to do it.

(btw, he thought a teen girl was asking him to do it, which means he was 'coerced' in his mind by another teen girl). It takes only a teen girl or one who appears like a teen girl to get him to commit a sexual crime. It turns out they were adults, but he didn't do it in his mind for an adult, but for another "child".

What this shows us is that there's a victim hierarchy at play when considering someone as responsible for their own actions, which is actually stronger than gender.

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

[ the pornographers ] unsuccessfully tried to convince Grooms to abuse another child.

maybe that has some weight to placing responsibility on the pornographers.

[–]mwobuddy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you should remember he thought he was impressing a teen girl, and chose to do it at least once. A 17 year old knows right from wrong.

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You missed what I meant. I was pointing out maybe his sentencing was light because there's video evidence of pornographers trying to get him to commit the crime again, but failed. Meaning, the court believes the boy has no behavioral inclination to do such acts on his own, hence posing no danger, and therefore the light sentence.

[–]mwobuddy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So the horrificness of sexual abuse of a child isn't that big a deal?

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Did I say that? The whole point of putting people away for good, is that those criminals can no longer pose threats to society, as they are locked away from society. Which is also why when criminals are evaluated by doctors to be of no danger, they are released early.

In this case, the infant's mom, the court, the DA, all believe this guy would cause no harm on his own. And sentencing is based on that.

That, means the judge and the infant's mom think sexual assault on child is no big deal?

The child pornographers have a behavioral pattern, as they had repeated this to hundreds of kids. This boy shows no sign of having behavioral pattern to commit again, as he did not want to comply after that incident.

[–]mwobuddy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

17 year old male murders fellow person to impress what he thinks is 17 year old girl.

Not my fault, I was being tricked into it, I'd never do it again.

Gets suspended sentence.

I don't see how that's a rational viewpoint. You're still acknowledging what I've already said, there's a victim/object hierarchy, which can override gender in some cases. Being "young and naive" was his get out of jail free card, even though he did something most people would be demanding he die for.

Remember:

Forensic analysis of computers used in the transfer of the video recordings shows that the Defendant reported that he found the incident “so hot” and that the Defendant was making arrangements to sexually abuse an unidentified three-year-old male while the subject in New Orleans viewed and recorded the abuse.”

The defendant, the man, found it "hot".

Interestingly, the papers are all reporting him as a "man", to use language as an implication of his culpability. A child or teen isn't culpable, but a MAN is. Just like if he were to have sex with his teacher at 17, it'd be recorded in the papers as "teen sexually abused by teacher".

Again, we see wordplay in describing who is agent/victim. It isn't about true agency, it's about the perception of agency, that causes people to either be hammered by bad laws or get away when they actually do something awful.

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Initial information indicated that Grooms described the act as “so hot” and that he planned to abuse another child ... Authorities, however, later found that the pornographers were the ones who described the abuse in that manner and that they unsuccessfully tried to convince Grooms to abuse another child.

I never said he's too young and naive. Key indicator not being age or gender, but behavioral pattern.

[–]mwobuddy[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's the point. Sometimes apparent victimhood status can override other, commonly used, biases.

[–]mochacola 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

“... they successfully convinced hundreds of children to engage in sexual activity while they surreptitiously recorded it,”

Makes me wonder why this group of pornographers and other children weren't outed by the media. I won't be surprised if they are women and young girls.

You'd think 'hundreds of boys were convinced by a group of men to sexually abuse toddlers' makes for better click bait.

[–]Pelikahn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This has no real business here. No one here thinks men are infallible.

[–]mochacola 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess OP is trying to make a point on criminal court being more lenient/harsh towards women/men.

[–]mwobuddy[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When we see droves of women get away with child sex abuse or statutory "rape", it is often the claim that a man wouldn't get away with it. Yes, its an exception, but its important in that it proves getting away with crimes is based on your perceived victimhood status.

Underage? Check. Manipulated by adults? Check. This outweighs his gender in this instance, and remarkably there was a huge backlash over this, UNLIKE in all the cases of underage girls who sexually abuse children and don't get punished much, if at all, or overage women who are found guilty of any sexual offenses against anyone <16-18.

Your shitposts have no real business here.

[–]Pelikahn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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