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As a man is there any point in having female friends you aren't fucking or at least trying to fuck?

gisking

July 6, 2017
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Title As a man is there any point in having female friends you aren't fucking or at least trying to fuck?
Author

gisking

Upvotes 11
Comments 29
Date July 6, 2017 3:43 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/askTRP
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/6lml27/as_a_man_is_there_any_point_in_having_female/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/93730
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Comments

[–]GuitarHero0734 points35 points36 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. Opportunities to meet other women through your female friends
  2. Preselection: women will be attracted to a man who is surrounded by other women
  3. In some cases they can be wing women (they start talking to a girl and that makes your approach easier)

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Came to post this.

I have a couple of close female friends who bring value to my life in the ways described above, and by providing some of the services of the distaff gender, such as cooking for me, occasionally, or some simple mending.

In return, I might serve as an escort to a corporate function or similar, as well as provide advice on masculine topics, such as car maintenance, etc.

[–]_MysticFox1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you know whether you can fuck or friend a girl attractive enough for preselection?

When I'm gaming it's a lot different than friendships. It's a lot harder to friend a girl when your frame is fucking.

[–]50shadesofsigma17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Preselection.

[–]1walawalawa13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I only have hot female friends I'm not fucking as social-proof....

I use them to do things like enter a salsa contest...where there's absolutely no emotional investment---just having fun.

Other girls see this...and they get curious.

As long as I get something out of it...it's ok. Also, I have to be ok with not fucking them.

If I want to fuck them...and they don't want to fuck me...I can't be friends with them.

[–]gisking points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What if these chicks start talking about their relationships. About how the guy she's with hurt her or broke up with her? Do you stick around or drop em?

[–]Werkzeug819 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We're not talking bullshit today Kelsey. Now let's go do "x"

[–]htbf6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What if these chicks start talking about their relationships. About how the guy she's with hurt her or broke up with her? Do you stick around or drop em?

Emotional tampons are not friends.

Either be a real friend (provide fun, distraction, discuss dreams and plans together, make each other feel good about himself) or fuck off.

[–]1walawalawa0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just make a joke and say "Too much drama...save it for your girlfriends..."

In the 2 cases I have, one is married---so I make sure she never talks about that.

The second is hot and she has a bit more class than to openly talk like that. If she talks about some "hot guy"...I look at her and roll my eyes. She stops.

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I want to fuck them...and they don't want to fuck me...I can't be friends with them.

A solid point, but there are rare situations where you want\could fuck them, but they can't or won't.

Example 1. I have this lesbian friend. She is beautiful, but it ain't never going to happen, we flirt all the time... I have a blast with her and her lover... but she is as gay as it comes.

Example 2. I have a friend who is has a BF. She is hot. So while I am not making any serious moves on her, I do plan to, if and when she breaks up with her BF. So I am not waiting for her, but do plan to initiate something someday...

[–]Nikelu0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What if they wanna fk u

[–]1walawalawa0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then fuck them...either way, you should always be leading.

If I go to my salsa class...and there is a girl I want to fuck...I game her and fuck her. Then I also dance with her.

If I game her and she doesn't want to fuck me...I leave her alone and don't dance with her. Why would I want to waste my time and energy?

If there's a girl who I don't want to fuck...but dances well and I enjoy dancing with her...I dance with her.

If there's a girl who wants to fuck me AND dance with me but I don't want to fuck her...I make a decision based on whether 1) she's a good dancer 2) she adds anything to my life 3) she won't cause me drama 4) she would be good as a pivot or social proof

This is Red Pill thinking.

[–]The-Hardball-Player7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no POINT but I just enjoy hanging with some chicks. There's no point to a lot of things bro.

[–]NexusReflexX2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As a man, do what you want. Girls are amazing. They can bring so much energy into a room and really lift your mood as well sometimes.

You need to do some self-reflection and figure out why youre friends with these girls. The girls im friends with i:

  1. Seriously 100% do not want to sleep with them. In fact, they want to sleep with me, but i friend zone them.

  2. They are my friends girls. One of my friends has this super cool chick that wingmans for me. If we are out having a good time, ill take this girl and start dancing with her. (My friend is 100% cool with it, he made his boundaries, and i dont sleep with my mates girls) but he has no qualms. When girls see you dancing with another girl, they are mpre turned on. They see you javing fun, and they see another girl having fun with you, and they want a piece of that action.

Just make sure youre not being friendswith a girl in hopes that she'll finally realize what shes missing and fall head over heels with you. Thats called an orbiter. Still flirt with these girls, still make intentions known, but dont get caught up in it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is spot on. It's all about your intentions. You'll know if you're orbiting her, we always do. Yet we lie to ourselves. Just make sure you're honest with yourself

[–]htbf0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls are amazing. They can bring so much energy into a room

I hate it when a room of men is feeling like a funeral and then a mildly hot girl comes in and everyone wakes up from slumber. I'm kinda guilty of it too although I actually do my best to be as lively with or without hot girls around (but then again, nothing compares to the energy a hot girl gives you). I know people who just can't shut up and try every joke they know and make fun of other people just for the sake of getting a few laughs out of her.

I think I mostly hate it because of the clear imbalance of attention girls enjoy. Imagine just walking into a room and having go from dead to alive. It happens to me sometimes, mostly when I'm visiting old friends, and it feels like Jesus. To think that girls have that granted just by virtue of being hot skews the SMP so much it's not even fun anymore.

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sooner or later, the woman will want emotional support and/or the guy will want physical attention.

clear lines, trust, and discipline are absolutes or the friendship line will get very blurry.

I don't mind female friends that are co-workers... bc I'm not trying to fuck them anyway, and they pay their own way.

[–]blackedoutfast1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they do you favors, they buy you gifts, they cook for you, they drive you places (and come pick you up when you go out and get drunk), you can use them to get free shit from betas lol, if you train them right they can be much better at wingmaning than any dude, they're goofy and kinda dumb but adorable, if they're hot you get better treatment in bars/restaurants, it's easy to get into the best clubs if you have girls with your, you never have any trouble getting people to come to your parties/events if there are hot girls there, and of course good old preselection.

just don't be an orbiter or catch feelings for them

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same as men. Expand your horizons. Meet new people. Free food.

Yours don't cook for you??

[–]ArabSigma1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm surprised to see mostly positive replies in a subreddit that usually preaches a defensive approach to relationships. If you follow the logic of TRP then it's preferable that you avoid having female friends because despite the (platonic) benefits they might bring into your life, you run the risk of falling out of balance and thus becoming the orbiter in the relationship. It's a balance that you have to maintain, you need to constantly be on your toes to make sure you aren't being taken advantage of. For many, that could be exhausting. Is the fatigue worth the benefits you gain from the relationship ? That's something you need to carefully consider if you want your answer.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't mind having female acquaintances with whom to exchange favors. It's a strategic short term alliance that benefits both parts but other than that, I have yet to find a compelling reason to befriend a woman. And by "befriend", I mean the sort of relationship where you message each other, make plans, vent, and the like. I assume that's what you mean by "friends".

[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have met and hooked up with many "friends of friends"...

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

learning various current-state behaviours of women with each other and in the most recent trends. May as well be aware but just don't over-read it. By having only dudes as friends you lose touch with what's current and matters to women even if it is bullshit. You still need to act like you aren't telling them it's bullshit, or implying it, when you talk to them and this is good practice.

[–]GreenPiller0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not worth it. I'm sick of hearing guys talking about all those advantages you can have. If you are attractive enough you won't need "female friends." Oh and newsflash, they aren't your friends, they will use you one way or another. Women are machiavellian by nature.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People use each other, that's a fact of life. As long as you're getting something out of it and not orbiting in hopes of some pussy down the road, no harm in having some social capital to tap into.

[–]RedSkeller-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just want to add in here that there is no point in female friends. Zero. If you had any attraction you should be fucking them, otherwise get a dog or a guy friend for companionship. Then there is the 'preselection argument' - when I see the guy around two or more chicks and think he is the gay friend, or the poor guy who has female friends because he can't fuck them properly.

[–]NexusReflexX2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But if youre not gay, who cares? you are stringing along 2 hot girls that are unavailable for whatever reason, thats preselection. You can still flirt with them, still show sexual intent, but theyre unavailable. You, in fact, could use them to get other hot girls. They could talk u up, use them for dancing, so on so forth.

[–]RedSkeller-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Right, I'm saying you still look like a chump, but maybe that's just me. I used to go out with a married chick once and a blue moon, it worked but there was way more bullshit to deal with than a guy friend or going out solo; and I'm not talking about texting although there was that as well. Whatever works for you but I think most of the advice I see here is from guys who are the former.

Edit: just to add, I've known guys with girls who are friends. 99% of the time one of them is the ugly one with ulterior motives. Most of the time it's the guy. Chances are you tell yourself it's boosting your SMV but you're in denial, and you are better off cutting the cord. You really think the guy surrounding himself with a bunch of squawking hens pulls more than a guy alone with confidence? Get real.

[–]NexusReflexX0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmm. I see what youre saying.

When i say friends with girls, i dont mean texting buddies. Lunch dates. Blah blah blah.

Im talking about some girls to go out with and have a good time.

The girls im friends with i either 100% dont want to fuck, and i am 100% sure on that fact. Or my mates girls. Oh, or theyre gay. Im not talking about some random chick u meet and "omfg lets be bffs because your hot and you can help me get laid." Nah, fuck that noise.

[–]RedSkeller0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, your female friends ARE attractive and you don't want to fuck them? If they're your mates girls, why are you with them? Or do you mean in a group setting? Personally I've been in those situations and felt nervous for my friends because I was with their girl and felt fucking them was completely on the table, and in some occasions did. But I think being in those situations in the first place defines how much of a threat you are.

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