Feminist Puts Feminism Before Intactivism. Condemns Intactivists as Whiny Man-Babies. Asserts the Existence of Misogyny. Denies the Existence of Misandry. And Condemns Female Intactivists as Lackeys.

Lethn · 2016-08-06T23:03:06+00:00

We do not benefit from the procedure. We do not wish harm on our children.

You have women like Amy Shumer ranting about uncircumcised dicks on camera for fuck's sake, yep, just another delusional halfwit who has the self-awareness of a fly trying to find an open window.

wwwhistler · 2016-08-06T23:53:24+00:00

is she unaware of her words? she is complaining that men are using the tactics that early feminists used.

babno · 2016-08-07T04:38:19+00:00

I like how in all their insults towards intactivists they fail to provide a single example. Not even that they don't even make a specific accusation. It's only vague general attacks such as

toxic angry mob that routinely engages in terrorist and oppressive and abusive tactics

What actions are abusive or oppressive? Not one example is given.

Spoonwood · 2016-08-07T04:57:53+00:00

So, it looks like you put feminism ahead of anything else. If intactivist ideas imply the existence of misandry, then forego intactivism, because misandry can’t exist. If intactivism fits with the oppression of men and boys to a greater degree than the oppression of women and girls, because the oppression of men and boys can’t exist or can’t work out as greater than the oppression of women and girls. If you don’t like how some men do intactivism, just shame them as whiny manbabies like traditional women have done since time immemorial. If women might benefit from circumcision via skin grafts for a burn victim or via vaccines, well, who even knew about that? If intactivism is not a safe space, then it can’t have anything to it, because if something is not a space it simply can’t have anything good in it. If women have some role in how circumcision happens, just relabel that as gender oppression, and blame men for it. Then demonize MRAs, even though far more boys than girls have their genitals cut in the world.

And then on top of that, in addition to multiple examples of hatred of plenty of men, you throw in hatred of women by calling women who have a different view on intactivism than you “lackeys”.

This post reeks of putting identity politics and affiliation before people.

HotDealsInTexas · 2016-08-07T22:32:18+00:00

No More Intactivism for Me: Here’s Why

Because you've decide you don't care about the issue enough?

I don’t call myself an intactivist anymore and haven’t since 2013/2014. There are plenty of reasons for this, and they all lie with the toxic and abusive tactics of the movement. Two and a half years ago I began stepping away from the movement, washed my hands, and barely speak of the issue of non consensual genital cutting. Obviously this is a core belief I still hold, but I will never associate with the movement again.

Intactivism is not a safe place. It is not a safe place for any feminist, and I have watched and stood in solidarity with other feminists as we all distanced ourselves from the toxic angry mob that routinely engages in terrorist and oppressive and abusive tactics.

AAAAHAHAHA

Why should Intactivism be a "safe space" for you? It ISN'T ABOUT YOU. I'm reminded of all the SJWs ranting about shitty allies who just want attention and cookies for being a decent human. Ordinarily, I think this is stupid because being a dick to people is bad and alienating people isn't helpful, but unless I see some concrete examples of abusive behavior I'm going to guess she's upset because she couldn't make it about women.

And as Kathi Valeii pointed out in a recent post on Birth Anarchy, one cannot claim to care about human rights, or call themselves a human rights activist, when they engage in the same oppression that has led to a culture that is ambivalent about genital integrity. Either you believe in human rights or you are a fraud. And the intactivist movement, as it stands, is fraudulent.

I could say the same thing about Feminists.

It is comprised of angry, oppressive whiny man babies who would rather externalize their rage and their misogyny than understand the systemic oppression in which circumcision flourishes. They would rather blame and insult and further the oppression of women, than understand the system that oppresses women is the SAME SYSTEM that allows babies to be cut.

And here we see the author's true colors. This is how much she really cares about men; she's mocking and belittling them using gendered slurs and dismissing their anger. Why do I have a feeling that if this was about, say, BlackLivesMatter, she'd be calling the exact same behavior "venting."

I'm not excusing any actual douchey behavior, but there's a massive double standard here.

Circumcision is not the product of women. We did not come up with the idea. We do not benefit from the procedure. We do not wish harm on our children. We do not lash out our anger and hatred of men by strapping babies down to cut their genitals. Sorry guys, this one is on you. It is the violence and the power and the male model of domination that is responsible for circumcision. It is the paternalistic and capitalist driven maternity system that profits from baby foreskin. It is doctors and a system of obstetric violence that is culpable for this human rights violation. It is not mothers. And it certainly isn’t mothers who consent to having their sons cut. Mothers are victims as well as their children.

Anyone want to find examples of women supporting circumcision? I honestly can't spare the five minutes.

And "Mothers are victims too"? Are you fucking shitting me? Like I thought, you're upset that intactivism ISN'T ABOUT WOMEN. You're going "think of the mothers!" when the mothers aren't the ones being mutilated, and perpetuating the misandrist stereotype that mothers would never harm their child and it's all the fathers' fault. I bet you'd never for a second support the same arguments about how many of the people pushing for FGM in the third world are women.

And a woman cannot protect her children when she herself is oppressed. In a birth climate and a cultural climate where women are routinely asked to prove themselves, to demonstrate that they “fall in line.” In a culture where women who don’t fall in line are in danger of having those very same children taken from them, they have no real power to protect their children.

I see it all the time. I work in a field where I see women stripped of their ability to protect their children, well after the child may or may not have been strapped to a circumstraint. In my professional life, I LITERALLY WITNESS women being stripped of their power to protect their children, from mostly the men in their lives.

Dude, half the time mothers have sole custody. They have almost ALL the power as parents.

And the truth is, you intactivists don’t give one flying fuck about gendered oppression. You don’t even think gendered oppression exists, except in the form of “male oppression” and “misandry.” You don’t care about the systems of oppression that strip women of their power to say NO! to circumcision.

Again "WHAT ABOUT THE POOR WOMENZ!"

Fuck you. You were never a real intactivist, because you couldn't see the world through anything but the lens of Patriarchy. All you did was blame men for everything, try to derail the movement towards female empowerment (which you already have a massive goddamn movement fighting for. It's called Feminism), and deny that a woman could ever do anything wrong. Good riddance: Intactivists are better off without you "helping."

Pariahdog119 · 2016-08-07T00:02:48+00:00

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black_anarchy · 2016-08-07T03:39:45+00:00

Can someone please summarize this in layman terms? What the heck is inactivism and how does it relate to feminism?

ElleWellie · 2016-08-07T13:55:32+00:00

This angers me so much as a feminist. I think an awful lot of these so-called feminists forget that the movement is for equality, not for putting any gender above another.

Frankly, if you aren't anti-circumcision, and if you fail to seek an end to the injustices that men face in the world, you are not a feminist.

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