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Teen in Va. 'sexting' case sues prosecutor, detective for civil rights violations

DoItLive247

May 26, 2016
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/r/MensRights
http://www.cortezjournal.com/article/20160526/AP/305269912/Teen-in-Va-'sexting'-case-sues-prosecutor-detective-for-civil-rights-violations
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Title Teen in Va. 'sexting' case sues prosecutor, detective for civil rights violations
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DoItLive247

Upvotes 23
Comments 10
Date May 26, 2016 2:44 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4l5mtx/teen_in_va_sexting_case_sues_prosecutor_detective/
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Comments

[–]Login_rejected 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This kind of shit absolutely infuriates me. They literally were trying to convict him of abusing and exploiting himself. Claiming he was simultaneously the perpetrator AND the victim.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But then where does it stop?

If they are not a de-facto perp/victim for consuming and creating each other's porn, how can you say someone who just turned 18 is? How can you say someone who just turned 20 is? The reason behind these laws is due to moral panic over sexuality between two people who are of too different an age gap, so where and why is the line drawn?

[–]Login_rejected 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think you misunderstood either the article, my comment, or both. My outrage is directed at police/prosecutors who use anti-child porn laws to persecute a minor for taking pictures/videos of themselves. That's what was going on here. The girl and boy were under 18 at the time and he was charged with CREATION of child porn because he was 17(?) when he videoed himself. What the authorities are doing is no different than arresting the boy for child molestation/sexual abuse/rape for jerking off in his bedroom. There was literally no victim in that case. That's where I draw the line.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The case is:

She created and then disseminated "child porn", via sending nudes to him.

He did the same with a video. If there is no victim here, then how would there be a victim to someone his age and someone 18 or 80?

The law implies that they are victims 100% of the time, and anyone taking underage pictures is a perp 100% of the time, so it is not inconsistent to treat him as both criminal and victim.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it is not inconsistent to treat him as both criminal and victim

Yes, it is. If a teenager is masturabting, should they be charged with molesting themselves? Charging a teen for taking a naked selfie is no different than that.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand. It is not inconsistent within the framework of laws and the cultural beliefs.

It is incoherent as a law that makes sense, but it is not inconsistent.

[–]Login_rejected 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound like a product of the zero-tolerance policies that are all the rage now. Zero tolerance means zero common sense. Common sense says that it's not a crime for two people who can legally fuck each other to voluntarily send each other dirty pictures of themselves. You keep bringing up vast differences in ages that just aren't present in this particular case and aren't relevant. But if you insist, let's cover that as well. If it would be considered statutory rape for you to fuck someone else, then it would also be production/possession of child porn BY THE ADULT ONLY. If the law deems that someone is too young to be able to consent to sex, then that person is too young to be guilty of child porn laws by taking pictures/videos of themself. By your reasoning, my 5 and 7 year old daughters should be arrested for producing child porn because they took off their panties and took pictures of their butts.

The misapplication of these laws is a travesty and any authorities responsible for putting kids through this shit should be held personally and criminally liable for civil rights violations.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The law deems you incapable of deciding to take nudes of yourself, to produce nudes of yourself, or give those nudes to others.

It is decided using the same laws applied to being unable to have sex with someone who is 18+. It is built on pre-existing age of consent laws that have routinely been used solely against males, both over and underage since their raising from 12 in the 1900's, to prosecute males who "defile maidens".

The laws are worded and understood in history as sex and sexual behavior as being a process which "corrupts innocent youths, defiles, etc".

As sex is seen in this light, it naturally makes sense that even an underage participant in this "corruption of minors" should be guilty.

Think about the phrase "corruption of minor" for a second. That is the basis of what age of consent laws, and porn laws are all about. If two people who are 16 can have sex with each other as it is "not corrupting", then what is the diff if one happened to be 18? The same goes with nudes.

The point Im making is that moral panic drove these laws for reasons of seeing sex as bad and wrong.

It isn't about protecting minors from exploitation in sex, because, like you said, it is legal in many places for them to exploit each other, provided it isn't clearly rape. An underage male or female can lie, deceive, or otherwise manipulate someone into sex with no negative repercussions, exactly as the age of consent law is presumed to prevent such from occurring by older people, and yet people who are both older can do to each other legally.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh look, someone involved in trying to ruin the lives of two people consensually (morals or intelligence/values aside) sending nudes to each other because they're underage, is then wanted for molesting young boys.

Derp.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are going to have to make an example of this. Otherwise, the public uproar will be enough to make sure things really do get changed.

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