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Married geography teacher, 27, SCREAMS as she is jailed for 12 months for having sex with a 16 year old pupil during a six month affair. 12 months is very lenient compared to Adam Johnson's 6 years.

furchfur

May 19, 2016
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Title Married geography teacher, 27, SCREAMS as she is jailed for 12 months for having sex with a 16 year old pupil during a six month affair. 12 months is very lenient compared to Adam Johnson's 6 years.
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furchfur

Upvotes 171
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Date May 19, 2016 4:35 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you don't understand. This is sexy.

[–]illHitABitch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you know the age of consent in the area? That is a serious question because I do not know the age for the area. Where I live 16 is the age of consent so here this would not be considered statutory rape. Doesn't make it anymore acceptable though.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"A six month affair" when teachers do it.

They are paid to teach not to have "affairs"

[–]mayorodoyle 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not mentioned in this article: The word "rape."

[–]furchfur[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The crime of Rape only applies to men in the UK. It is also only applied when force drugs or alcohol are used. It is not automatic a rape if a man has sex with a child. It is serious sexual assault but not rape. In the UK only if sex is forced does it become rape.

[–]mayorodoyle 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL... thank you

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jailtime is cruel and inhumane for women or men in this dilemma, no matter which way you slice it.

[–]RedversPotter 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What would happen if it was a male teacher and female pupil?

[–]yellowliteroads 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are sexual predators attracted to the job, or does the job just enable these predators to act because they believe they won't be punished? Perhaps it doesn't even occur to these women that there is a consequence to breaking the law.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't think of themselves as sexual predators. They think of themselves as normal. I think they're normal people, too.

They aren't attracted to the job, they're attracted to the person by meeting them.

It'd be like you calling them a sexual predator because they met a 16 year old stud on the street and started a relationship with him.

That's not predatory.

[–]baserace 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SCREAMS

Hysterical headlining much?

[–]Mythandros 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article said that the teacher was " Very emotional". Because of her ordeal. My question is: Why should we care about the emotions of a rapist and pedophile? I don't. She can eat shit and die for all I care.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The age of consent in the UK is 16, so I don't even see how she committed a crime.

[–]Cypher_Aod 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Teachers are forbidden from having relationships with pupils as they're both their temporary guardians and also in a position of authority over them.

I really don't understand the motivation though, she's attractive enough, surely it can't be too hard for her to pick up some other 16-year-old and bang them? I might just be butthurt because I always wanted to bang my Economics teacher in 6th form...

[–]djsumdog 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You know what's interesting? When I was in Croatia, this group of girls were telling me how they hear about 16 year olds and teachers in the US/UK getting arrested ... and how in Croatia you see a lot of cases where teachers end up marrying high school students after they graduate. No one goes to jail and it's considered normal (sometimes .. depending on the city/region).

[–]FlippitySwooty 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So we should all aim to be like Croatia?

[–]Cypher_Aod 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is interesting, although it doesn't really surprise me. In the UK and the US, the attitudes towards sexuality and relationships are very puritanical, relatively speaking, especially compared to Eastern Europe or the Far-East.

It kind of makes sense that people that end up spending a significant amount of time interacting with each other end up developing feelings for one-another.

[–]ezetemp 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, one line in the article, "Parents said Cox was well known for her 'forward' manner with boy pupils.", rather suggests there might very well be other 16-year-olds. But, hey, dailymail.

If the article is correct otherwise, I think her behaviour is unethical and systematically so to such an extent that the jail time is certainly reasonable. If she's serially abusing a position of trust and authority, marrying a boyfriend while actually having an affair, and so unable to control herself that she actually has 'good-bye' sex with a boy after being confronted by his mother then she has absolutely zero concern for anyone but herself.

The abuse of a position of authority is, of course, the really bad one, the rest just serves to remove any foundation for leniency.

I might just be butthurt because I always wanted to bang my Economics teacher in 6th form...

Ah, but would you have wanted to start out your sex life with your Economics teachers STD? High school social life can be rough. And note that the teacher in this case went on the pill to have unprotected sex.

The best argument for having these kinds of statutory age limits isn't that the act itself is always unwanted, but that the younger person simply isn't likely to be mature and confident enough to make decisions weighing in the possible bad consequences of their choices. Many 16 year old boys would be perfectly fine with banging a pretty teacher, but when their 17 year old selves have to tell their girlfriend that 'Uuuuh, I'm going to be a dad. With my teacher from last year. And by the way, you should get tested for chlamydia.' then they might be somewhat peeved that the supposed adult, in particular one in a position of trust, got them into this...

[–]Cypher_Aod 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The abuse of a position of authority is, of course, the really bad one, the rest just serves to remove any foundation for leniency.

Oh certainly, I definitely don't disagree with the sentence because of that, hence my suggestion that she should have just had an affair with some other 16 year old who she wasn't in a position of authority over, thereby avoiding any issue.

Ah, but would you have wanted to start out your sex life with your Economics teachers STD? High school social life can be rough. And note that the teacher in this case went on the pill to have unprotected sex.

I suspect that that wouldn't have been an issue with this particular teacher of mine... Nonetheless, I don't seriously regret never managing to kindle a relationship with that teacher, I know that I wasn't especially mature back then, but regardless, I don't think it would have had too much of an adverse affect on me.

The best argument for having these kinds of statutory age limits isn't that the act itself is always unwanted, but that the younger person simply isn't likely to be mature and confident enough to make decisions weighing in the possible bad consequences of their choices.

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is that it essentially means that a 16-year-old person is considered mature enough to have sex with another person, unless that person is in a position of authority over them. Now don't get me wrong, I do believe that the authority issue is an important one, and I'd say the pertinent one, but if a consenting 16-year-old engages in a sexual relationship with a 27 year old who isn't in a position of authority over them, I really don't have any issue with it at all.

[–]ezetemp 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it would have had too much of an adverse affect on me.

Probably not, especially as the vast majority of teachers have a sense of ethics and understand the issues, which means they'd take care to minimize the risks. But it's one of those situations where irresponsible behaviors go hand in hand, so the cases with the highest chance of adverse effects are the ones most likely to happen at all.

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is that it essentially means that a 16-year-old person is considered mature enough to have sex with another person, unless that person is in a position of authority over them.

Mmm, I think it's more that a 16-year-old person is considered mature enough to say 'no' to sex on their own, unless that person is in a position of authority, hence they are able to give meaningful consent.

I mean, a 16-year-old is straddling the line when they're just about mature enough to understand possible complications. The tipping point issue would really be if they feel trusting enough in friends and/or adults to have a confidential talk about anything they find uncomfortable, because if they can't decide on their own, they should have enough peers and adults who can help them.

When it's a relationship with someone in authority over them, then the safety valve of a social support network can be closed off. Particularly bad if it's a teacher, as that would cut away what is a significant part of many kids adult social support, and at the same time severely limit the ability of friends for the same reason. Once you're legally adult you gain many other options to deal with the situation, but the period between mid teens and adult is tricky.

So for those reasons I think it's acceptable to require a higher standard in the authority case.

But I agree, if a consenting person of legal age gets into a sexual relationship with someone older I have no issue with it either. I'd suggest they have someone else to talk to about it, but there's no ethical problem.

[–]baserace 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The law is insane. If 16 years is the legal age of consent, then it's the legal age of consent.

I'd be screaming too if I was this woman.

[–]HMTheEmperor 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, its higher if the younger person is under the charge of the adult. 18 in that case.

[–]furchfur[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is 16 or be in a position of trust over the person like a carer or teacher. Would not apply to neighbour or friend. So even if the person is 18 and has an affair with a teacher it is still a crime.

[–]FlippitySwooty 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Under UK Law he is legally still a child.

[–]locks_are_paranoid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Under UK law, anyone at least 16 years old can have sex with a 16 year old.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

People should not be going to jail for consensual sex.

Should she be fired? Clearly. Should she be barred from being employed by state operated schools for a judicially sanctioned period of time? Yes. But no crime occured.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. This is a violation of ethics, not a crime.

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