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What puts white working-class boys off university?

karlstraw

March 1, 2016
24 upvotes
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http://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/01/white-working-class-boys-university-debt-higher-education
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Title What puts white working-class boys off university?
Author

karlstraw

Upvotes 24
Comments 16
Date March 1, 2016 9:29 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/48fhtk/what_puts_white_workingclass_boys_off_university/
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[–]thrway_1000 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/2YJef

[–]njjj3o2 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking what is putting White guys off of going to University is like asking what is putting black people off of joining to klu klux klan.

[–]actingverystrangely 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Direct link to the Grauniad? Surely not! Boys are nearly 30% of all students. Must. Scare. Them. Away.

[+]karlstraw 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Since Rusbridger left the paper has improved its stance and is more balanced. Thought there is a way to go I am a loyal reader (and have been since before the feminista took residence).

Its a well balanced article in my opinion (which counts for nought)

[–]actingverystrangely 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for a courteous reply ;-)

A balanced article might have explored the propensity of female teachers to mark boys more severely than girls. A balanced article might have explored the gender (im)balance in teaching. A balanced article might have referenced the mandatory gendered violence sessions at some universities. The rise of safe spaces. The Goldsmith's University Student Union "Diversity" Officer.

When women do not achieve what men achieve it is often ascribed to structural inequality. When men do not achieve what women achieve it is sometimes ascribed to individual choices.

You make a good point about reading The Grauniad. I read some feminist material, but try to avoid hate-reading. So I only dip into the Grauniad when linked on here. Your challenge is to comment upon the yin to Jessica Valenti's yang ;-)

[–]Pornography_saves_li 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh look, a MSM publication completely ignoring the actual 'subject' of their own article to push an agenda. How quaint.

Notice how University isnt even hinted at being hostile to white males? Or the vast imbalance in financial aid, most of which specifically excludes white males as canddates? Not a peep. How about the feminization of all levels of education, that in there? Nope.

What is in there, are calls for more government funding using white boys as the sympathy figure (for once). But you can be sure any additional monies will be divided 'equitably' once again.

This isnt positive except the notable sympathetic (sort of) stance taken with the boys. Other than that, its pure corruption of concern for men and boys, to advocate for even more social spending.

[–]aMensView 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a brilliant point. If it was about black boys, it would be mostly about institutional racism within academia and educational system.

[–]CrazyInAnInsaneWorld 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What puts off white, working-class men off University?

Affirmative Action ensuring unfair treatment of white men compared to women and racial minorities

Imbalance in scholarships and student aid (My local University has 5 woman-only scholarships for every gender-neutral scholarship, and no male-exclusive scholarships)

Gender studies departments constantly spouting how evil and violent men are, and how one could rape you at any time (Replace "men" with "Negroes" and one would think we were talking about the South in the Reconstruction era)

Kangaroo courts where better due process was implemented by the Inquisition

Mandatory gender-shaming seminars that tell men they have to be 'taught to not rape' as if they were a bunch of hypersexual animals unable to control their own urges

The list goes on...

So tell me, Mrs. Weale...why ARE working-class, white men put off from attending University. It's not much of a mystery...

[–]Ovendice 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Every single article like this needs to begin with, "While more women are going to college, it's important to mention that most women only major in useless liberal arts trash majors there aren't even jobs for and is nothing but an expensive summer camp for them and a complete waste of time, because even the scant few women who do actually obtain degrees in law, medicine and STEM (the only degrees worth going to college for) will work for a few years in the profession and then suddenly quit.. forever.

So we need to begin focusing ALL of our attention, time and resources on boys because girls are going nowhere and girls' time spent in college is nothing but a JOKE."

[–]ONE_deedat 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Was that the case with your mother?

[–]Ovendice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No my mother wasn't born in this generation.

[–]ONE_deedat 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So in your opinion what should the girls be doing while the boys are studying to establish themselves in a career?

[–]Ovendice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't know. Don't care. That's their problem.

[–]ONE_deedat 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but from your comment you seem to be making it your own and I was wondering if you knew a solution to it.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel sorry for the kid mentioned there, he has absolutely no idea how fucked up Universities have become. If I were them I would look at private tuition or apprenticeships which in the long run will actually be cheaper than University degrees.

Plus, it will be easier on the parents, because they don't have the added worry about food or housing etc. and budgeting in regards to him staying at the university.

[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is it that the only acceptable path for a man after high school or the equivalent is University? There is no shame in manual labor and skilled trades and we as a society need to stop acting like higher education followed by working in an office and slowly moving up a corporate ladder is the only "correct" solution.

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