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Repeal the draft? Women won’t allow that to happen.

MHRA_Leander

February 12, 2016
99 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://judgybitch.com/2016/02/12/repeal-the-draft-women-wont-allow-that-to-happen/
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Title Repeal the draft? Women won’t allow that to happen.
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MHRA_Leander

Upvotes 99
Comments 16
Date February 12, 2016 10:52 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/45hdbo/repeal_the_draft_women_wont_allow_that_to_happen/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/repeal-the-draft-women-wont-allow-that-to-happen.956259
https://theredarchive.com/post/956259
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Comments

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely agree with her conclusion. If you aren't going to bear responsibility for your franchise you shouldn't have it.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ckiemnstr345 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Janet definitely views society from a more TradCon angle but she is still all for reducing the suffering of men. Unlike feminists the MRAs have to fight all sectors of society so having someone using conservative logic to reduce the suffering of me is only a good thing.

[–]dolandoes 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's too bad most tradcons have long been complicit in the suffering of men.

[–]PerniciousOne 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that women are the only ones who are allowed the vote. Men have to sign up for selective service to gain the ability to vote.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Am I wrong in thinking the draft in the US is largely symbolic now?

Even putting aside that the kind of war that would necessitate conscription of men to send to a foreign theatre seems to be a 20th century relic at this point, my impression of the people in the age brackets that would be drafted were it come to that is that they would simply refuse en masse. And then what? Use violence to force them into it?

[–]lasciate 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my impression of the people in the age brackets that would be drafted were it come to that is that they would simply refuse en masse

The massive propaganda campaign leading up to such a conflict would take care of that. Look at Iraq - a war whose casus belli was manufactured out of whole cloth and for which only opponents suffered political, legal, or social consequences. A proponent - and in my opinion the embodiment of the moral hazard of representation without obligation - of that war is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination and for the Presidency itself. That is why I disagree with the author when she says:

If nations could not draft citizens, by definition, they could not fight wars the majority of citizens did not agree with. No one would sign up to fight if they thought the fight was unjust, stupid, or motivated by greed.

People sign up just like that all the time and have always done so.

In any case women will never be drafted for the front lines, no matter what. Requiring them to sign up is a symbolic gesture, and unfortunately it's become a politically rewarding one for politicians with all the wrong ideas (when it comes to Men's Rights).

[–]Vance87 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The important part is no matter how symbolic it may seem, it is still a part of our constitution and would, if needed, be activated with full legal authority.

[–]pocketknifeMT 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is it symbolic?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't enjoy what she's saying, but she is right. I also agree with her no draft, no vote statement.

Give them complete equality until they beg us to stop. Then the discussion changes to questions concerning reciprocity for the preferential and special snowflake treatment they really want.

[–]Vanriel 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Some men will simply be too afraid, and allow that fear to impede action. Cowards.

I find this part to be extremely offensive. So a person who is scared of something that could end in his or her death is a coward? Absolutely charming.

[–]JudgyBitch 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fear doesn't make a coward. Refusing to act because of that fear does.

Refusing to act. Not frozen, or incapable of acting. Just refusing.

A few men will fall into that category, and almost all women.

[–]Vanriel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps but i still find the whole concept to be offensive. If you put someone in a situation that has the potential for death or serious harm to themselves, likelihood of them freezing up is i would say fairly significant.

[–]JudgyBitch 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

With all due respect, 'offensive' does not mean 'factually incorrect'. Reports from soldiers at the DDay landings for example, indicate that almost everyone was utterly terrified, but there was nowhere to go. They charged the beach. Imagine that boat full of women. They would have stood there and died. Very few would have charged.

I was trying to capture that sentiment.

[–]Vanriel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not having a go at you. I just find the whole thing about cowardice to be distasteful. I do not like fighting. I would always try to avoid fighting if possible. Does that make me a coward? No. But the way it was said in the article makes it sound like all men who wish to avoid fighting are cowards.

[–]thegreyhoundness 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She makes an awful lot of sense.

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