UK government sets quotas for women science and engineering students

SlashSero · 2016-01-19T23:26:58+00:00

25% of Engineering and Technology postgraduates in the UK should be women

This is already the case where I live, simply by the government providing funds for more female postgraduates. It is a terrible, terrible thing to do towards the scientific community and all people striving for their dreams. This really hurts the prospects of true talent.

Looking at my own faculty on average anywhere from 90% to 95% of engineering and tech undergraduates are male, which is simply by choice. We do not care about your gender or your ethnicity, we as lecturers only care whether you are willing to put in the effort and willing to have the mindset to learn. A university is a place to learn for all, not a place for social engineering or to create carefully orchestrated classes which should form examples for society. This is against the spirit of education itself. When in my faculty 1 out of 3 PhD positions go to women in a field where 1 out of 10 undergraduates are women you are obviously looking at a huge degree of pre-selection and discrimination ( ahem affirmative action ) going on. It could be that women on average perform much better but this isn't the case. This shouldn't be acceptable to anyone who wants true equal opportunity for all human beings. Instead talented men have to heavily compete against each other where only the ones with the absolute best performance and the best connections ( nepotism, which is a different issue altogether ) get a position whereas a female undergraduate has a real chance of gaining a PhD spot without having to rise to the top.

That is extremely unfair to all the people working their behinds off only to see their dream destroyed as others get a free pass because "there are too many men" instead of seeing every single person as an individual human being regardless of gender. This among many other things are the ways progressive and feminist movements instigate further divide between the genders by institutionalizing so called 'positive' discrimination.

iainmf · 2016-01-20T00:04:48+00:00

Women keep making decisions we don't like, time to start pushing them in the 'right' direction.

ABC_Florida · 2016-01-20T05:49:05+00:00

I wonder what will happen 5-10 years from now.

It will be obvious that it was harder for a male graduate on average to get a degree, than for a female. So if you're an employer looking for an employee in stem fields, who do you want to hire? The best. Regardless of what's between his/her legs. But since, there is a push for companies to hire the people the government wants, not the ones the company wants. So there will be men out there seeing this injustice.

Harry, the best pupil of his High school class will see that half of the girls in his class at uni are worse both in physics and mathematics than his friend Oliver. But Oliver did not made the cut to the same university, which Harry is attending. Harry will apply to jobs, he will be rejected from some, but in the end he will find one. He will be happy that he has a job, and will work his ass off.

In a few years he will make it to middle management and have ambition to move higher. At this point there is a new challenge, because the new position is no longer in the secret of the office, but demands some media appearance too. There is a void after the manager in that position retires. Our friend Harry thinks he is the best candidate, but Elle gets the job. Harry knows Elle very well, he helped her out many times since she was a trainee. He sees that Elle lacks the skill he has, and some of the diligence. Harry's boss sees, that Harry is disappointed so he talks to him. His boss tells him that he knows Harry is disappointed, and tells him that he appreciates his work and he had to chose Elle to build the face of the company and to seem progressive. Harry even gets a minor salary raise.

But Harry will reevaluate his situation, and remember the pattern he observed at the company, but ignored up until now. He will see that if a male is a bit better in a job than a female candidate, a female is still preferred. He remembers, that you have to much better than a woman, to get the job. But now he is the disadvantaged one, not some other man. Elle has the job he wanted, she gets the bigger salary raise. Harry decides that he gives a fuck this time. So Harry looks for other job. But Harry is smart. Harry will look in places where there is no push from the government on the policy who to hire.

So Harry will end up in Dubai, doing his job for twice the money. He sees, that his employer (Hassan) has his hands not tied by the government. Harry sees that he is valued for his work and not for his value to the government. Harry will see, that if he starts a family there, he doesn't have to fear losing half of his life savings if his wife of 3 years cheats on her. And Hassan will see, that Harry is happy at his company. He will see, that he is happier, than he was in his homeland. But Hassan is smart too. So he will start to recruit engineers from the UK. He will prefer men, because Harry told him that gender quotas were the reason he left UK.

And 15-20 years from now, the British PM will complain that too many skilled engineers leave the country. He/she will issue a bill which bars graduates being employed at foreign companies for a certain amount of years. But the process already started. Skilled men started to leave the country because their country advantages the other gender.

baserace · 2016-01-20T03:25:11+00:00

Oh look, systematic institutional sexism. How progressive!

rg57 · 2016-01-20T03:25:16+00:00

This is one reason I never want to see a man ever get on his knee to offer a diamond to a woman.

I want it to become commonplace for the reverse to happen. I'm not sure I've ever seen it even once.

TheDude41 · 2016-01-20T03:47:41+00:00

... But no quotas for men in biology, veterinary medicine, nursing, psychology etc.

And what is wrong with simply letting people do what they choose to do and treating them as equals based on their competencies?

Chivalry is shit.

192873982 · 2016-01-20T00:18:54+00:00

It's only a matter of time until they have to lower the standards.

xNOM · 2016-01-20T01:01:26+00:00

There is no shortage of scientists and engineers. There's a shortage of CHEAP scientists and engineers.
If you were seriously trying to increase the number of scientists and engineers the most obvious people to recruit are... MEN. Higher mathematical skills, better spatial ability, more interest in systems.

Kirril · 2016-01-20T06:02:49+00:00

Feminism will create brain drain of the best scientists engineers and so on (almost entirely males) away from these discriminating countries in the west and towards China Russia India Brazil aka the rising superpowers of this century as these males will know that the best jobs in their home countries are reserved for females who are not as good as the males being overlooked.

Feminism is actually causing the west to fall faster than it would otherwise.

I wonder if when those other nations replace America, it would be funny if feminism spreads to them (as feminism does seem to only survive in situations of utmost ease of life) and causes their downfall in turn.

Crimsonak- · 2016-01-20T19:04:38+00:00

Am I missing something here? Encouragements and targets are not the same thing as a quota.

"Quota" isn't even mentioned on the page.

Not only this but the UK government backs the targets, it didn't set them. Incredibly misleading title.

Wargame4life · 2016-01-20T09:28:21+00:00

"UK Government" you actually mean a civil service nonsense department,

The NCUB is hardly "the UK government" its a just a single civil service quango

Title	UK government sets quotas for women science and engineering students
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Date	January 19, 2016 11:11 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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