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'The Government wants to stop teaching women's politics? I'm not surprised'. By removing feminism as a separate topic, the proposed new syllabus will eliminate study of sex and gender, gender equality and patriarchy.

TR6Cool

November 20, 2015
22 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/the-government-wants-to-stop-teaching-womens-politics-im-not-sur/
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Title 'The Government wants to stop teaching women's politics? I'm not surprised'. By removing feminism as a separate topic, the proposed new syllabus will eliminate study of sex and gender, gender equality and patriarchy.
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 22
Comments 15
Date November 20, 2015 12:59 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3tk93z/the_government_wants_to_stop_teaching_womens/
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Comments

[–]azazelcrowley 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And ofcourse, comments are disabled.

[–]Rockbottom503 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"We cannot accept that. We cannot accept that the new syllabus contains only one explicit reference to a woman – Mary Wollstonecraft – alongside a list of male politicians, activists and philosophers. It’s a telling example of the gender bias so prevalent in our education system, and in our culture."

This, of course, explains why girls have been outperformed by boys consistently and why there are so many more men going on to further education than there are women! .......hang on a second!!!!! Sorry guys, for a second there I swallowed some bullshit and was having a hard time clearing my throat with the statistics

[–]skepticalbipartisan 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It’s a telling example of the gender bias so prevalent in our education system, and in our culture."

When I was in school a projector was something you copied notes off of.

[–]blueoak9 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The recent debacles over excluding women from the designs of our passports and our currency show that women are repeatedly, systematically, casually erased from history."

Then they should put Queen Victoria on the pound not - presided over the era of the most extreme British imperialism, presided over at least one and maybe two genocides - yeah she'd be a good exemplar of British womanhood to put on passports and pound notes.

[–]Leinadro 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Im honestly split on this.

On one hand i think its messed up to remove the contributions that women have made and to remove those struggles from the syllabus. They are a part of history and should be included.

However I think the conclusions that are drawn from those events need to either removed or reexamined.

The fact that women fought foe the vote? Include.

The conclusion that to be male is to be privileged? Remove.

The contributions by women to science, math, etc. Include.

The conclusion that focusing on men inherently hurts women? Remove.

I agree that there are parts of feminism that are pretty much ideological indoctrination and should be removed from the educational process (the bathwater). But at the same time the the actual contributions and struggles of women (the baby) shouldnt be thrown out with it.

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The focus of public education should be on basic Literacy skills and Mathematics, something which teachers have failed miserably at and I think it's thanks in part to bullshit subjects like this.

[–]lasciate 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo. Focus on what amounts to at best a liberal arts elective dilutes evaluation of a schools success at teaching useful, concrete subjects.

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can agree with that. Even what i said above should be in its appropriate areas and disciplines.

For example why conjure up "womens studies" to include folks like Ada Lovelace when she should just be included in math and engineering courses (and when i was in college as a computer science major she wasnt mentioned that often if at all).

[–]NoGardE 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ada was mentioned in my programming languages course, along with people like Dennis Ritchie, Bjarne Stroustrup, and Alan Turing. Outside that course, we didn't really talk history.

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See and im all for her being mentioned along with others. Just that in my college days (15 years ago) she wasnt.

[–]lasciate 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact that women fought foe the vote? Include.

And the facts that many women didn't want the vote, that suffragettes shamed men who didn't go to fight a war that women wouldn't have to fight, and that a significant number of men couldn't vote (but could be conscripted for the trenches)? Exclude like always?

The contributions by women to science, math, etc. Include.

Relevant women are already included in their respective subjects.

the actual contributions and struggles of women

Few and far between, and typically ignorant of the fact that men did the vast majority of the legwork involved in "women's liberation" and the vast majority of struggling which women and feminism dismantled or are currently dismantling (goodbye unions, goodbye middle class).

[–]Leinadro 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the facts that many women didn't want the vote, that suffragettes shamed men who didn't go to fight a war that women wouldn't have to fight, and that a significant number of men couldn't vote (but could be conscripted for the trenches)? Exclude like always?

Agreed. It should all be in there. Not just the parts feminists want included to make women look like eternal victims.

[–]Rockbottom503 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They didn't 'fight for the vote'. Men did that - they died in their droves during the First World War, granting the vote was recognition of this. Before it was land owners generating £10 or more who could vote - this excluded around 6 out of every 7 men from voting!! The Representation of the People Act changed this so the men who were giving their lives in defence of the country had a say in who was sending them to slaughter, and recognised the women who had kept the war effort running in the factories by granting women over 30 the vote! The suffragettes waged a terror campaign against the state...... This is not 'fighting' it is despicable behaviour, and the best of it is, it's widely acknowledged that their efforts did nothing but hamper progress on bringing the voting age in line to men, and yet they are credited by feminists as having 'won them' when the statute books tell a different story altogether! I guess they have been spouting it long enough now for it to be in the mass conscious and accepted as fact. The suffragettes did all sorts of really horrible stuff - plotted to assassinate, planted bombs, burned train carriages - not just hunger strikes in prison and throwing themselves under horses as feminists would have you believe!

Here's a brief history on voting for anyone interested:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7457965/General-Election-2010-The-history-of-British-democracy.html

I am all for education of voting history - IN A HISTORY LESSON - but if we are to educate our children in this area then it needs to be an accurate representation of actual history, not just pandering to the perpetual victimhood of women in the version that is currently presented by feminists. The ordinary woman out there got the vote at exactly the same time as the ordinary man! Before this, both ordinary men and women were discriminated against!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is not going to be eliminated it is just going to be taught within other areas of the syllabus. It is good idea. My guess is that gender studies at University will also be for the chop before long. Creates too much male hate and hostile environment for men who are in a minority at just about every UK University

[–]Globalization101 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These studies are a waste. It is a self perpetuating study, meaning that the main focus is to produce a PHD in womens studies .. to teach womens studies. One hundred thousand in debt with a PHD in womens studies to compete for a job with thousands of others with the same credentials for the same jobs. This is a terrible and unproductive line of study. Never mind the thousands of people who step in and give it a shot then drop out because they understand the whole thing is a pile of shit.

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