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National Review: A mainstream paper condemning SJWs

SirSkeptic

November 4, 2015
53 upvotes
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426452/political-correctness-peaks-social-justice-liberals
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Title National Review: A mainstream paper condemning SJWs
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SirSkeptic

Upvotes 53
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Date November 4, 2015 12:01 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]bertreapot 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

National Review is known for being strongly conservative, so "mainstream" might be a stretch.

The article makes some good points, although framed in a conservative vs. SJW mindset. IMO, the SJW movement we see today is the culmination of 30 years of academic feminism run amok. For roughly that period of time, campus feminists have decided amongst themselves what is and is not acceptable in society. They don't communicate with anyone outside of their movement when reaching their conclusions, and then they dictate to the outside world what we should all be doing.

Up until now, people have either ignored them (if their views don't affect them) or gone along with it. Just recently, perhaps thanks to social media, has the mainstream really began taking notice to some of the insane things that come out of the academy, that most people don't agree with. Things that make most of our lives worse, not better.

[–]BrilliantDynamitesNe 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, most of the stuff in this sub here lately has been "conservative vs. SJW".

[–]Sarge-Pepper 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link

I was on board, until they started talking about the Progressive Left. I'm an MRA, and I don't think conservatism and MRA mix super well. It makes us look like bigots and shut-ins.

It's not us vs them, it's trying to make sure everyone's issues are being addressed, and splitting it down the middle only pushes people away.

[–]Riktenkay 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The 'progressive left' and SJWs are basically one and the same. I'm as left wing as they come but I'm sure as fuck not a 'progressive'.

[–]entropicenough 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read this: In Defense of Progress

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

Makes us look like

So?

There is no practical difference between progressivism and feminism at this point. To oppose one is to oppose the other.

You're concerned about the optics of it. There is much more to be concerned about than that.

Make no mistake, there WILL be civil war before progressivism is ousted. They will not go down quietly or bloodlessly. They WILL use violence when it becomes apparent that everything else has failed, and we will be forced to respond in kind.

[–]Sarge-Pepper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Annnnd you sound like one of those "the south will rise again types."

No use arguing with you.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Blaarggg 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You've essentially paraphrased the white nationalist work The Turner Diaries. This is pure fantasy, and if you actually envision a world where women/racial minorities/LGBT/etc. actually have a dictatorship over white men, you're off the deep end. The only issue we have now is that we embrace feminism without realizing the difficulties men have.

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[–]Blaarggg 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmm, there was no indication in your suspiciously drawn out fantasy that you didn't really think this scenario would come to fruition.

You claimed progressives "want their enemies dead". Your entire rhetoric sounds the same as /pol/'s left-wing government vs. right-wing revolutionary fantasy. That same rhetoric is often parroted by right-wing populist organizations like The Federalist, but that doesn't make it true.

[–]Sarge-Pepper 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I really didn't think you could sound more crazy, but you did it.

Again, it's not us against them. This isn't a knock down drag out fight, it's not gonna come to bloodshed, because as a whole, a majority of people are civil.

Progressive, at least to me, means that we are looking forward and trying to anticipate what's coming next. Progressive is not a bad label, neither is conservative.

It's SJW's and nutjobs like you that make this a polarized fight, that make it into "It's gotta be us or them", when in reality, it's all of us, as a group, together, fighting our individual problems and fears.

Men have problems, women have problems, blacks have problems, muslims, whites, children, everyone has got problems, and just because they are not the same problems and people prioritize hte problems that effect them, does not make the impact less on those that have to fight through them.

We should be fighting with Empathy, concerned with our fellow people, while at the same time trying to right the wrongs in our life and trying to give our brother or sister a leg up on theirs.

We are all people, dippy, and no one deserves to be left behind.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Its not us against them

McCoy: "War is never imperative, mister Spock."

Spock: "It is for them doctor."

-Star Trek, Balance of Terror

[–]Sarge-Pepper 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A quote? That's not really supportive of your argument.

Again, you're being obtuse and aggressive with this. It's pretty definitive that you really are the "Obama is gunna take my gunz" of the MRA movement.

Chill. This is about making everyone equal, not getting into a slobbernocker with anyone.

Please, for all of our sakes, stay away from a camera and don't interview with anyone, lest you're views set the progress the MRM has made back decades..

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[–]Sarge-Pepper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Some, maybe. But that can be traced back to people already disposed to killing attaching to an ideology.

We have Muslims that blow themselves up, Christians that blow up abortion clinics, atheists that shoot up schools, and Misogynists that attack women.

So yeah, that's to be expected of any movement and you point is moot. Give me a cause, and i'll show you someone who's willing to kill or die for it.

The point being that we are trying NOT to come off as crazy and aggressive so that the basic rights that men need like equality in divorce courts, family law, attention to massive suicide rates, jail times, and other actual issues are addressed and seen as something that should be worked on.

You and others like you are like the Tea Party of the MRA. People dislike them, even though they are reacting to reasonable things. It makes what they stand for look like a crock of shit and totally untenable as political positions specifically they approach the issue the same way you are approaching this issue.

Adults and reasonable people don't throw this kind of rhetoric around. We don't accuse other people of calling for our genocide and realize ideology when we see it.

We can sit with people who beleive differently from us and not assume that they mean us harm. We can have conversations and relate, because GUESS FUCKING WHAT, people are multi-layerd and feminism or MRA is simply an single aspect of who they are and what they believe.

Rational thinkers and Logical Speakers and Movement Leaders and other kinds of forerunners of major change don't shout like baby and believe conspiraty theories about humankind. They look at a situation and see how they can bring others to their cause and prove that they are worth listening to.

You are just shouting. No one will listen to you or what you are saying because you are aggressive and polarizing.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No one will listen

You yourself put the lie to your words.

people are multilayered and feminism

Is a reductionist cult that brainwashes its adherents into seeing all issues through the lens of feminism.

[–]augustfell -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

so when will the left criticize SJWs? Until then, it looks like conservatives are key allies.

[–]Sarge-Pepper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Did you miss the huge press conference where Obama attacked the very basis of SJW's on campus?

It's not going to be in the form of "Hey, SJW's are stupid!" But even politics and progressives are tired of the same old shindig.

Anyway, again this isn't supposed to be an us vs them argument. It is possible to support feminism and MRA at the same time, because the problems both genders face are not mutually exclusive.

I can want rape to not be a thing for either gender, I can want harsher sentencing for women at the same time that I push for expanded roles for women in the military and other such things.

Just because we have issues doesn't automatically make issues that face women evil or even non-existent. But, like many people on here, I think that feminism overblows many issues and actively prevents men from addressing our issues, and that, as a progressive, irritates me.

[–]augustfell 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is possible to support feminism and MRA at the same time, because the problems both genders face are not mutually exclusive.

Depends what you mean by "feminism." Most MRAs support things like equal protection under the law and protection from discrimination. But what most MRAs think of when they hear "feminism" is the persistent demonization of men, patriarchy theory, legal discrimination against men, censorship, indoctrination and the wholesale dismissal of men's issues. That is the type of feminism that I think is incompatible with what most MRAs stand for.

The influential, modern feminists hide behind the first definition while acting according to the second definition.

[–]Sarge-Pepper -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I will agree with that statement.

Third-Wave Feminism that has defined itself with victimhood and demonization of men, absolutely it's not compatible.

I mean more along the ideologies of Second Wave, where the priority lay with equality between the sexes and empowerment and enforcement of presonal responsibility in women.

[–]augustfell 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's important that when we say "feminism" we mean specifically Third Wave.

Second Wave (e.g., legal equality) no longer needs to be called "feminist." It is "normal." Most people support it, and as such, there is no need to give it a label other than something like "egalitarian."

We also need to hold the Third Wavers accountable and not let them hide behind the good actions of their predecessors. It reminds me of how modern U.S. Republicans brag about having ended slavery while simultaneously do nothing to attract black voters.

Caveat: I've heard conflicting definitions of 2nd and 3rd wave feminism, but I'm guessing you know what I mean in my usage.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow that was actually pretty good, rare for a news outlet like that.

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