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Melbourne teenager who killed her newborn baby avoids jail sentence

ThePigmanAgain

September 30, 2015
16 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/30/melbourne-teenager-who-killed-her-newborn-baby-avoids-jail-sentence
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Title Melbourne teenager who killed her newborn baby avoids jail sentence
Author

ThePigmanAgain

Upvotes 16
Comments 15
Date September 30, 2015 10:32 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3n0zfm/melbourne_teenager_who_killed_her_newborn_baby/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/melbourne-teenager-who-killed-her-newborn-baby.970337
https://theredarchive.com/post/970337
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Comments

[–]garglemesh42 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Infanticide is defined in Victorian law as the crime of a mother killing her baby while the balance of her mind is disturbed after childbirth. The maximum penalty is five years in jail.

The maximum penalty for KILLING YOUR BABY is only FIVE YEARS in jail? Not, say, life in jail? You know, for depriving a baby of decades of life?

WTF!?!?!

[–]mwobuddy -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You're silly. Stating that decades of life deserves decades of life is foolish.

I know someone who's been type A diabetes for life. They're constantly suffering and living with a parent that slaps them in the face, while they're in a wheelchair on breathing support machines.

You think that decades of life is quality?

Its a strawman argument. Don't use it again.

[–]garglemesh42 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its a strawman argument. Don't use it again.

I'll do as I please. You're in no position to boss me around. Think about how you would have reacted if I tried to tell you what you are and aren't allowed to say. Maybe it wasn't the best argument, but that doesn't give you the right to tell me what to do.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't feed the troll.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's no type A diabetes. There's type 1 and type 2. You're a liar and an idiot.

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, not a liar. she's rejected for a heart transplant because she has stopped eating and lost too much way. Fuck off, kid.

[–]FigNinja 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll admit my opinion on this is pretty controversial, but I think appropriate sentencing should be primarily about public safety. I do believe that deterrent value is part of that, too. So there needs to be some teeth in sentencing, but beyond that I think it should be about keeping people who are a danger away and doing our best to rehabilitate people (which our current prison system fails at miserably). I don't see the concept of vengeance in this being particularly helpful.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That should always be the primary concern. If they can be rehabilitated, the system should be designed to be rehabilitating. If they can't be, they should be able to live some form of life in an area that protects them and others from their behavior.

[–]FigNinja 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Infanticide is defined in Victorian law as the crime of a mother killing her baby while the balance of her mind is disturbed after childbirth. The maximum penalty is five years in jail.

Wait. What? Is there some separate type of charge/sentantce if a man does it? Does the balance of his mind matter? I would argue that most people that kill anyone, especially children, aren't right in the head. And five years?!

If they're arguing that she was mentally ill and can be rehabilitated so will no longer be a danger, I don't see how one year of probation is going to do that. If that's the case, she needs to be institutionalized somewhere until people are damned sure. Heck, she could go through another entire pregnancy and have another baby vulnerable to her before her sentence is served.

[–]Criket 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It could also get to /facepalm.

Like guilt could be a proper punishment for killing a baby to avoid her responsibility.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a rare but recognised mental disorder called pregnancy denial

LOL you just gotta laugh at the lengths the courts go to pathologize female criminality. Maybe they should just create a "I dun do bad thing" disorder that turns any crime committed by a female into evidence of a mental "illness".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maximum penalty is low. Where was the father?

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She's already suffered enough. After all, some scumbag killed her baby. At least, that's how the asshole judge sees it...

“The loss of a child is a life sentence in and of itself,” said Justice Rush.

[–]SlashSero 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's amazing how far they are willing to go to paint her as a victim.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Women usually never saw jail in the old days. Even if they did, it was always described as a mental illness rather than criminal behavior. If men really are in control of the public dialogue for the past 2000 years, it is men themselves who have pedastolized women such they are can do no wrong, or are innately irresponsible for their wrongs.

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